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On August 05 2012 05:53 Ange777 wrote:
Because apparently people know your meta and would have called you out directly based on that?
Gee, that kinda backs up me saying that there's no point in arguing against WIFOM and confirmation bias. If there's literally nothing I can do to look pro-town in the collective eyes of the sheep, enjoy a wasted lynch.
Everything that had been said against me when I made my case against Alan could be said about him, but more so.
If there's no defense that's acceptable, because everything I do is scummy because WIFOM, you'll understand if I don't give myself a concussion bashing my head against the wall.
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Well, whoever RBed me seems to have failed to stop the NK. Good job.
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On August 05 2012 06:06 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 06:03 JingleHell wrote:
Well, whoever RBed me seems to have failed to stop the NK. Good job. If you can get anyone to claim having RBed you, than congrats we've got the third scum.
Why would a scum have RBed me if I'm such a blatant scum, Ange? Why not a Town RB? Wouldn't that make more sense?
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On August 05 2012 06:11 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 06:08 JingleHell wrote:On August 05 2012 06:06 Ange777 wrote:On August 05 2012 06:03 JingleHell wrote:
Well, whoever RBed me seems to have failed to stop the NK. Good job. If you can get anyone to claim having RBed you, than congrats we've got the third scum. Why would a scum have RBed me if I'm such a blatant scum, Ange? Why not a Town RB? Wouldn't that make more sense? Because I am pretty sure you are just fake claiming your RB to survive this day. Zork claimed doc, therefore scum know that it was a doc who prevented the night 1 kill and not a roleblocker. With 1 doc, 1 vig and 2 masons I don't think there is another town power role.
Well, I guess newbie games are a great place to learn how not to make a case, glad to have helped you learn why WIFOM is a piss-poor alternative to actual scum-hunting.
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On August 05 2012 06:15 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 06:13 JingleHell wrote:On August 05 2012 06:11 Ange777 wrote:On August 05 2012 06:08 JingleHell wrote:On August 05 2012 06:06 Ange777 wrote:On August 05 2012 06:03 JingleHell wrote:
Well, whoever RBed me seems to have failed to stop the NK. Good job. If you can get anyone to claim having RBed you, than congrats we've got the third scum. Why would a scum have RBed me if I'm such a blatant scum, Ange? Why not a Town RB? Wouldn't that make more sense? Because I am pretty sure you are just fake claiming your RB to survive this day. Zork claimed doc, therefore scum know that it was a doc who prevented the night 1 kill and not a roleblocker. With 1 doc, 1 vig and 2 masons I don't think there is another town power role. Well, I guess newbie games are a great place to learn how not to make a case, glad to have helped you learn why WIFOM is a piss-poor alternative to actual scum-hunting. Are you talking to yourself? 
No, but childish responses instead of introspection really just help cement in my mind that trying to convince you I'm town is a waste of my precious time. I'll just watch the thread, and laugh hysterically. Sound good?
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I'm entirely amused that playing LoL for the day turns me into a ragequit, in a game where there's literally no point in me trying to defend myself, because unless a scum attacking me claims scum, the tunnel won't get off me.
On August 06 2012 08:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Of course I am ignoring jingle. 1.) I have a town read on him, and 2.) he is not in the thread to defend himself so accusing him would not reap any new information. It is also odd that you were lurking the thread, not contributing anything and then almost immediately after myself and obvious link you with being scum you come out with that rather ironic post.
By the way, DarthPunk... much as I appreciate the vote of confidence, claiming you have a townread on me at this point makes me wonder if you're setting people up to look bad after I flip.
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Are they mutually exclusive? Is there a problem with seeing something as being a scumslip? Even if you people are too busy wallowing in your WIFOM and confirmation bias about me to see it, DarthPunk seems to be preparing town to sheep him after I flip green.
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On August 06 2012 12:10 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 11:25 JingleHell wrote:
Are they mutually exclusive? Is there a problem with seeing something as being a scumslip? Even if you people are too busy wallowing in your WIFOM and confirmation bias about me to see it, DarthPunk seems to be preparing town to sheep him after I flip green. But you just pretty much tossed your entire case on Alan133 out the window and posted a one-liner statement on Darthpunk. That might make sense for an ##unvote, but you went ahead and voted Darthpunk anyhow. That's really wierd. If you're so hell-bent on proving that you're a contributing townie, why don't you build a longer case on Darthpunk before telling town to "flail around and die" once you get lynched?
I'm not hellbent on proving anything. I'm pointing to something scummy as hell. If you don't think it's suspicious now, you might later, if I get lynched, since I'll flip green.
I actually already gave up on proving my innocence, if you were too thick to figure that out. Something to do with the fact that anything and everything I do gets subjected to such a ludicrous level of WIFOM that it's a waste of time and energy.
If you want to see my case against Alan, you can go re-read the one I already posted that nobody was interested in seeing. If you want to see a new case against him, go make one. A confirmed townie who sheeps and refuses to think is the best thing that can happen to scum, so don't expect me to ask "How high" when you say "Jump", you're a detriment to the rest of us.
First, it was scummy that I wasn't making a case against every single person in the game, including the dead ones. Now it's scummy that I'm looking at everyone. Make up your damn minds, or lynch me, which, I'm sure, will be followed by convincing yourselves it was my fault so you don't have to address your inability to think critically.
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On August 06 2012 13:15 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 12:21 JingleHell wrote:On August 06 2012 12:10 Shady Sands wrote:On August 06 2012 11:25 JingleHell wrote:
Are they mutually exclusive? Is there a problem with seeing something as being a scumslip? Even if you people are too busy wallowing in your WIFOM and confirmation bias about me to see it, DarthPunk seems to be preparing town to sheep him after I flip green. But you just pretty much tossed your entire case on Alan133 out the window and posted a one-liner statement on Darthpunk. That might make sense for an ##unvote, but you went ahead and voted Darthpunk anyhow. That's really wierd. If you're so hell-bent on proving that you're a contributing townie, why don't you build a longer case on Darthpunk before telling town to "flail around and die" once you get lynched? I'm not hellbent on proving anything. I'm pointing to something scummy as hell. If you don't think it's suspicious now, you might later, if I get lynched, since I'll flip green. I actually already gave up on proving my innocence, if you were too thick to figure that out. Something to do with the fact that anything and everything I do gets subjected to such a ludicrous level of WIFOM that it's a waste of time and energy. If you want to see my case against Alan, you can go re-read the one I already posted that nobody was interested in seeing. If you want to see a new case against him, go make one. A confirmed townie who sheeps and refuses to think is the best thing that can happen to scum, so don't expect me to ask "How high" when you say "Jump", you're a detriment to the rest of us. First, it was scummy that I wasn't making a case against every single person in the game, including the dead ones. Now it's scummy that I'm looking at everyone. Make up your damn minds, or lynch me, which, I'm sure, will be followed by convincing yourselves it was my fault so you don't have to address your inability to think critically. Look. You still haven't answered my question yet. Why are you suspicious of DP? What is scummy? Is it just his defense of you alone? It's day 4. If you want to make a vote, you need to present a better case than a one-liner. I saw your play in XXI. You're better than this.
If you saw my play in XXI, you know that something exactly like this is how I got a scum lynched. Do me a favor, and don't tell me how to play, when everything I've said to now has been blown off anyways.
It would be better all around if confirmed townies would try to make cases, instead of looking for chances to sheep.
I already explained what's scummy, it's the fact that he's laying the groundwork for people leading a case against me to look like scum after I flip green.
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Since you're just spouting nonsense without any visible effort to actually understand what's being said, I'll let you figure out for yourself how I meant that, because repeating myself is getting nowhere.
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Well stated, Ryuujin, and I think it helps coming from someone who isn't me. Summarized nicely, and with far more patience than I'm capable of showing some of these people at this point.
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On August 06 2012 21:51 Ange777 wrote:
@Shady and goodkarma:
Please reconsider your vote. At the moment neither aRyuujin nor I am willing to concede in a Jingle lynch as we believe that DarthPunk is a more sure scum lynch than a Jingle lynch is.
@Jingle:
If you really want to show your "town side", than play! Give us another read except for DarthPunk, preferably one that includes a solid case and not just a one-liner vote and snippy comments.
Oh, now you want to hear opinions?
I love this absurd dichotomy that's sprung up in your minds recently, where either I'm bad or I'm scum.
Want to hear what happened? I replaced in late, never had a chance to get into stride and was put in an untenable position.
Truly shocking that I've not bothered putting any effort into convincing people. Here's a suggestion. For five minutes, try to be objective. Put on "Hypothetical townie" goggles, and read my posts with all that I've just said in mind. See if it sounds like frustration. You don't have to believe I'm town to try that, just do it and see if it makes as much sense as some of the "cases" against me.
I'm not going to spend a lot of time building a case when everyone will just dismiss it.
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On August 06 2012 22:27 Ange777 wrote:
@Jingle: I am wearing those hypothetical 1% town Jingle goggles, that's why I am asking you for your reads ... stop complaining about what happened and build a case if you want me to give you a chance.
No, see, you're doing it wrong. You're still looking for me to be scum.
I've built cases, and they were all dismissed. You were one of the people who wasn't interested before. You want me to do more cases, go find one I already wrote (there's the old one on Alan) and go through it, tell me what you do and don't like about it.
Of course, at this point, with people acting like I'm somehow at fault for their play being absurd, I kind of like the idea of just pointing and laughing.
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On August 06 2012 23:53 Shady Sands wrote:
EBWOP: Just saw that alan is already committed to JingleHell, as is DP. Ange, let's vote JingleHell tonight. I'm still not sold on DP's guilt (or innocence).
Right now my scumlist is basically JingleHell and aRyuu. Not only because of JingleHell's posting behavior, but because of MrMedic as well. aRyuu and Zork were the only ones that never called out MrMedic for being the most AFK player ever (even missing votes). GK, Ange, Darth, myself, Prome, Keir, and Mord all called out MrMedic but those two never did. Strange.
There are a few more I'm looking at, but right now I think JH is our best lynch.
So MrMedic was "lurking" to the point of getting fucking replaced and that convinces you of my guilt?
You somehow think that makes me look scummier than the person who is blatantly setting things up to direct things after my mislynch? DP clearly has foreknowledge of how I'm going to flip.
And here's a WIFOM filled hypothetical for you, since you like those. Think about this. If I flipped red, which I know I won't, DP would be tomorrow's lynch for attempting to defend me. At least according to precedent. If I flip green, which I will, DP has foreknowledge of how I'll flip and is trying to make people who target me look scummy, which is scum behavior.
In BOTH scenarios, no matter what you assume about my alignment, DP is scummy. However, in only ONE of those scenarios am I scummy, and if he gets me mislynched before he dies, he's still alive, can still try to get someone else lynched later, and there's less townies to fight for a majority.
Lynching me first can ONLY benefit scum.
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On August 07 2012 00:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 18:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Please read the thread, instead of ignoring it and complaining :D
-What do you think about Alan?
-Are Ange and I the scum?
-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?
-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?
-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?
-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?
-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion
-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?
-What do you think about Alan?My position on alan is dependent on the flips of others. He may be scum but at this point everything is so intertwined that I am unsure completely If You and Ange are not scum I think Alan and/or a whole host of others are sitting back laughing whilst watching townies kill each other. he is along with others potentially scum. we have 1 confirmed town. That is SHADY. -Are Ange and I the scum?I think you could very likely be a scum team. yes. -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?Because of the way that you have both aggresively tunneled me whilst ignoring my defense and by doing so with rather weak cases. Ange777 has laid traps for myself and jingle etc. Your posting has become very different since being accused and you have only really posted when pursuing my mislynch. there are a plurality of additional reasons in my filter which I have already addressed. -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?This is not a question this is a leading question. i.e. you make a statement and pose it as a question. The answer is however, that I was posting in response to things as I read through the thread. It is easier for me to process information that way it seems. As to why they had no content. They were addressing posts attacking me, this was their content. If they seemed as if they lacked content, this is probably due to the accusations they were addressing lacking content or you being unable or unwilling to see their content. -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?That is not the reason. I have very clearly stated the reason I have a town read on jingle. Jingle has been the victim of similar traps that have been attempted on me. If scum ange layed those traps on myself and jingle my reasoning is that both Jingle and I have to be town. -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?At that point in time I thought it was ridiculous to sheep shady. There were two clear candidates both had cases on them. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep him. Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady vote. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. One of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of. All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town. At this point the situation is drastically different and thus like many others have stated they would put their vote with the confirmed town. It seems you only have a problem with it if I do it. -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussionAgain? Jingle is almost AFK and a far easier lynch. If you mislynch him and then try to mislynch me it is far more difficult for you then the other way around. Because your townie cred would have reduced following his mislynch. If you blow all your townie cred mislynching me Jingle would still be far easier to get a lynch on considering his current posting. -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?Why haven't you?....... I am under constant attack. I have explained myself endlessly and yet I still recieve attacks that are just rehashed cases I have already addressed. Also the longer this goes. The bigger the hole you both dig for yourself when I flip green. You may say that me dragging this out is my way of catching the scum. The post in which I explain why I think jingle is town is in here. I don't see why it is difficult for you to believe. anyway regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I. can someone please lynch the ange train. then we have this in the bag.
Huge scum slip, for anyone who missed it:
"regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I".
He's been arguing that we're both town, so how does that statement make sense?
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On August 07 2012 01:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:04 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 00:50 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 18:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Please read the thread, instead of ignoring it and complaining :D
-What do you think about Alan?
-Are Ange and I the scum?
-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?
-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?
-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?
-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?
-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion
-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?
-What do you think about Alan?My position on alan is dependent on the flips of others. He may be scum but at this point everything is so intertwined that I am unsure completely If You and Ange are not scum I think Alan and/or a whole host of others are sitting back laughing whilst watching townies kill each other. he is along with others potentially scum. we have 1 confirmed town. That is SHADY. -Are Ange and I the scum?I think you could very likely be a scum team. yes. -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?Because of the way that you have both aggresively tunneled me whilst ignoring my defense and by doing so with rather weak cases. Ange777 has laid traps for myself and jingle etc. Your posting has become very different since being accused and you have only really posted when pursuing my mislynch. there are a plurality of additional reasons in my filter which I have already addressed. -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?This is not a question this is a leading question. i.e. you make a statement and pose it as a question. The answer is however, that I was posting in response to things as I read through the thread. It is easier for me to process information that way it seems. As to why they had no content. They were addressing posts attacking me, this was their content. If they seemed as if they lacked content, this is probably due to the accusations they were addressing lacking content or you being unable or unwilling to see their content. -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?That is not the reason. I have very clearly stated the reason I have a town read on jingle. Jingle has been the victim of similar traps that have been attempted on me. If scum ange layed those traps on myself and jingle my reasoning is that both Jingle and I have to be town. -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?At that point in time I thought it was ridiculous to sheep shady. There were two clear candidates both had cases on them. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep him. Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady vote. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. One of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of. All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town. At this point the situation is drastically different and thus like many others have stated they would put their vote with the confirmed town. It seems you only have a problem with it if I do it. -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussionAgain? Jingle is almost AFK and a far easier lynch. If you mislynch him and then try to mislynch me it is far more difficult for you then the other way around. Because your townie cred would have reduced following his mislynch. If you blow all your townie cred mislynching me Jingle would still be far easier to get a lynch on considering his current posting. -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?Why haven't you?....... I am under constant attack. I have explained myself endlessly and yet I still recieve attacks that are just rehashed cases I have already addressed. Also the longer this goes. The bigger the hole you both dig for yourself when I flip green. You may say that me dragging this out is my way of catching the scum. The post in which I explain why I think jingle is town is in here. I don't see why it is difficult for you to believe. anyway regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I. can someone please lynch the ange train. then we have this in the bag. Huge scum slip, for anyone who missed it: "regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I". He's been arguing that we're both town, so how does that statement make sense? One of us will be lynched. therefore one of us will flip green. Honestly.
No, in context it implies one of us wouldn't.
And the one who's less likely, as I've already demonstrated, is you.
Of course, all the people who claim to have liked my play in XXI should remember, this is what I did there, too. Spark controversy, discussion. Tunnel a bit. Watch and wait for slips. It was just harder to get into stride due to the way I replaced in.
It doesn't always work, but when it does, it's pretty blatant.
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EBWOP: to clarify, he's the one who is less likely to flip green.
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Misdirection. In context, it suggests that one of us would flip red. Of course, the one who will is you. It's also just one more shred of evidence, along with everything else that's piled up.
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On August 07 2012 01:18 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:15 JingleHell wrote:
Misdirection. In context, it suggests that one of us would flip red. Of course, the one who will is you. It's also just one more shred of evidence, along with everything else that's piled up. It does nothing of the sort, you are creating something that isn't there. you are obviously desperate to avoid a lynch. so I can forgive you for manufacturing scumslips from thin air. and then stubbornly calling the actual meaning misdirection.
I'm desperate? When I finally cave and stop being resigned to watching town self destruct and defend myself after literally everyone asks me to?
You're the one who's becoming increasingly frantic.
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