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On August 13 2012 03:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
marv what are your thoughts on me? I'm conspicuously missing from that post. And could you post the logs b/w you and VE?
I'm reading VE and synystyr as scum and varying degrees of town on the rest of us. Lazer and Toad are confirmed to me despite the GF conundrum. I'll have a case together soon on synystyr, but I want a VE lynch today.
and also teehee I'm a joker lol.
what gives you your scumread on Synstr? I did indeed give his filter a flick through but I just got ???. He may end up being scum through elimination though. What do you think of Broodking?
Er, you're missing probably because I didn't think of you as that notable when i was thinking about things (sorry man  ). That means you get default town status.
As for logs, no. We chatted on irc and I don't think my conversations are saved anywhere. ho hum.
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ACT 3: The Lurker Revealed:
On August 06 2012 09:44 Synystyr wrote:Active mode starting now  grush and CountDropula are the most counterproductive people in this thread. They're being trollish for the sake of screwing with our heads and making us point fingers at each other instead of them. If they weren't scum, they'd be more helpful than they are now. Stop with the hints and talk straight at us.
Oh good, activity! We could use some of that!
All this post accomplishes is his displeasure with grush and CD for trolling. They've also both flipped town but that is inconclusive. The lack of a SCUM READ is what is concerning here.
On August 07 2012 01:07 Synystyr wrote:Talismania is scum. Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
He pushes this action to confuse town. If Sloosh dies in the night, it gives Talis tons of town cred because he said that medics should protect Sloosh. A little reverse psychology action too by claiming he would kill Sloosh if he were mafia. A hit on Sloosh appears to be be only negative for him and thus making him look innocent by association. Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 02:47 talismania wrote:
Forget WBG. If he wants to play, he'll play and we can go from there. If he wants to die, he'll vote for himself again and get modkilled.
DTs! Please strongly consider checking into one of VE/Hassy. Or if you don't agree with me, at least check one of the masons He reflects heat off of his scum buddy and himself with this line. Many times throughout the thread, Talis gives WBG a onceover with a "probably town" read and then accuses someone new. Talis is scum with WBG and is trying to protect him. He also wants DTs to check other players other than himself/WBG to avoid being caught. Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 17:16 talismania wrote:
They roleblocked me as insurance in case I was medic. If I were medic, I would definitely have guarded sloosh. Mafia doesn't know how many medics there are. They may have thought I was medic and was trying to tell another one to guard with me because I was wary of a doublestack.
Yes I still think it was a doublestack and I think grush was vig'd. We'll see when other people post if it gets claimed or not.
On the last point I'm talking from the perspective of the mafia team trying to call me mafia so I'm talking as if I'm mafia. It's convoluted sounding but really pretty simple: mafia can RB a member of their own team, say a goon or mason or whatever. Then that person can claim RB'd, for some weak towncred. Mafia in RBing me knew I would be notified, but weren't worried about it making me look townie because they knew they would be able to argue that there was just an intra-mafia RB on me because I would want towncred. They pair that argument with all my stuff about protecting sloosh as further evidence that I want towncred. etc etc. He defends himself before anyone has even pointed a finger at him. This post feels like mafia bait to me, but is instead used so he can point fingers at the person who will make the argument and deflect heat off of him. With the death of Sloosh, it gives him an extremely concrete defense as a townie. Mafia team-roleblock him to make him look like a medic, then doublestack Sloosh in case of a medic. Talis' reasoning to medic sloosh was good, but other players like Toad, Erandorr and SnB come off as town to me and good candidates to be protected over sloosh in the night. There could have been two medics on Sloosh last night, but obviously that was not the case as Sloosh is dead. With that, Talis has everything to gain defensively and gives him a really powerful position to manipulate town as Mafia. His aggressive finger pointing without concrete evidence is his way of appearing town. I'm not buying it. ##Vote Talismana
The entire basis of his case is from WIFOM'ing the NK on slo0sh. He also connection theory's that talis and bugs are scum together with very little evidence. Besides that, Talis responded to this case himself below. We know talis was town. Read his defense (nested below) and what it entails:
On August 07 2012 08:38 Synystyr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:35 talismania wrote:SynystyrSo you're scum too!? The excitement/activity test strikes again :-) Seriously though I can't be certain I'm just OMGUSing but the case you just made against me is bad for almost the same reasons VE's was bad. + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 01:07 Synystyr wrote:Talismania is scum. Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote:
Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him.
He pushes this action to confuse town. If Sloosh dies in the night, it gives Talis tons of town cred because he said that medics should protect Sloosh. A little reverse psychology action too by claiming he would kill Sloosh if he were mafia. A hit on Sloosh appears to be be only negative for him and thus making him look innocent by association. Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 02:47 talismania wrote:
Forget WBG. If he wants to play, he'll play and we can go from there. If he wants to die, he'll vote for himself again and get modkilled.
DTs! Please strongly consider checking into one of VE/Hassy. Or if you don't agree with me, at least check one of the masons He reflects heat off of his scum buddy and himself with this line. Many times throughout the thread, Talis gives WBG a onceover with a "probably town" read and then accuses someone new. Talis is scum with WBG and is trying to protect him. He also wants DTs to check other players other than himself/WBG to avoid being caught. Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 17:16 talismania wrote:
They roleblocked me as insurance in case I was medic. If I were medic, I would definitely have guarded sloosh. Mafia doesn't know how many medics there are. They may have thought I was medic and was trying to tell another one to guard with me because I was wary of a doublestack.
Yes I still think it was a doublestack and I think grush was vig'd. We'll see when other people post if it gets claimed or not.
On the last point I'm talking from the perspective of the mafia team trying to call me mafia so I'm talking as if I'm mafia. It's convoluted sounding but really pretty simple: mafia can RB a member of their own team, say a goon or mason or whatever. Then that person can claim RB'd, for some weak towncred. Mafia in RBing me knew I would be notified, but weren't worried about it making me look townie because they knew they would be able to argue that there was just an intra-mafia RB on me because I would want towncred. They pair that argument with all my stuff about protecting sloosh as further evidence that I want towncred. etc etc. He defends himself before anyone has even pointed a finger at him. This post feels like mafia bait to me, but is instead used so he can point fingers at the person who will make the argument and deflect heat off of him. With the death of Sloosh, it gives him an extremely concrete defense as a townie. Mafia team-roleblock him to make him look like a medic, then doublestack Sloosh in case of a medic. Talis' reasoning to medic sloosh was good, but other players like Toad, Erandorr and SnB come off as town to me and good candidates to be protected over sloosh in the night. There could have been two medics on Sloosh last night, but obviously that was not the case as Sloosh is dead. With that, Talis has everything to gain defensively and gives him a really powerful position to manipulate town as Mafia. His aggressive finger pointing without concrete evidence is his way of appearing town. I'm not buying it. ##Vote Talismana 1) The NK and my alignment is nothing but WIFOM. I mean, help me out other people in this game, but on the outside I wouldn't look at sloosh dying and go "yep that must have been talismania he was doing it for towncred". It could have been, but it just as easily could not have been. It's literally pure WIFOM. So why is this a central plank in your case? By the way - raise your hand out there if you saw the night kill and gave me a ton of town cred. Anyone? 2) Are you really making the argument that I'm scum because WBG is scum, and you're not voting for WBG because you think I'm more likely to be scum yet some of that is predicated on WBG being scum and and and That's why connection cases don't work until you have a flip. For the record, I don't really know what to make of WBG. At the moment, I'm nursing the idea (which you conveniently missed me posting) that actually be scum just trying to get away with as much as possible as a test. Then he can be all superior and yell at us in the endgame. Your DT point also shows you didn't seriously make this case. It's like VE all over again. Yes I said (for good reason) that I would like DTs to check VE and hassy, two of my strongest scumreads at the time. Then I realized after sloosh posted that DTs were just rolecops, not alignment cops so I rescinded everything I said about DTs. But you ignore that completely. And come to think of it my ignorance of how DTs work (as well as toad) is kind of an unintentionally strong town tell. Scum would all know exactly how DTs work because their GF gets to pick what role he appears to DTs, so they would have discussed that somewhat (or at least read the role description) amongst themselves. 3) This is seriously the exact same stuff VE did. I'm "defending myself before anyone has pointed a finger at me" with regards to being roleblocked and the night actions? Well I guess if you took that post in isolation and assumed it was the first post I made on the subject, then yes. But guess what? That wasn't my first post. That was a clarification post. The first post, which you must have seen is here:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=43#850 And it's pretty clearly not me "defending myself before someone accuses me". No it's explaining why I think xsebt is likely to be town, because he seemed genuinely unaware of the correct scum argument. I was aware of the scum argument from daybreak, but there was no need to post it until then, when I think it's a very critical point to make as it directly speaks to this guy's alignment. You cherry-picked this case. What do you make of my case on VE? Does it look like scum wrote it or town wrote it? How and why? If you're going to call me scum, you're going to have to do it based on my whole filter. Weekends are simply very busy for me so I don't have time to post much during them. You'll see my activity increase over the week. Rest assured that I am green. I found you to be the person with the most to gain from Sloosh's death. I stand by my vote. This is the first case i've tried to build against someone, so there may be a few holes, but I wouldn't do it without good reasoning. Your claims on VE seem to be attacking his meta. I'm inclined to believe that you have some good points against him, but I simply don't know how VE has played in other games. I believe that at least one of the masons revealed is scum, and I lean towards VE more than anyone else. I'm interested to see what will happen with the two of you now that VE has masoned you.
Talis solidly refutes Synystyr's case and in response he gets a weak excuse for activity, synystyr doubts his own case due to it being the first one made but insists he had 'good reasoning'. I do not see a well reasoned case, nor do I see any attempt to build upon the case or push his read other than 'my vote stands'.
He briefly addresses the point on VE as Talis attacking VE's meta, admits he doesn't know VE's meta and as a result the case is worthless. Synystyr completely discredits Talis' entire case as "meta, not important" when in reality, Talis points out significant flaws in VE's case against them and why they are scumtells (not meta-VE tells).
After dismissing the actual case on VE, Synystyr takes an incredibly weak stance on VE's scumminess, Maybe he's scum because hes a mason and one of the masons have to be scum. He distances himself from any accountability if a mason is flipped, but also has a free excuse if he ever makes a case on any mason.
Finally lets look at his vote yesterday:
+ Show Spoiler +
Make no mistake, + Show Spoiler +
Completely disappears with no notice, no explanation, NOTHING. Modkilling aside, this is scummy due to him saying he'll be more active. His case against talis is weak and his response is weaker. Synystyr's only other comments (however few) have done nothing for hunting scum. It sucks that my case can be dismissed with a quick "oh I wasn't active enough" but I see some solid scum motivation in synystyr's filter.
What really triggered my thought that he was scum was that he was an outlier on the vote Day 2 on Talis. His only company was Xsebt (who had a redcheck). The vote gives us no info on other scum, and I think we've all been guilty of letting his inactivity slide, so in hindsight my initial reaction was not justified as more than an "oh, that's interesting". My digging into it, however, has given me a strong scum read on synystyr.
tl;dr: + Show Spoiler +
- Garbage case against Talismania
- Promises oodles of activity, fails to deliver
- SYNYSTYR IS SCUM
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As lurker cases go, Hopeless, that's a pretty good one ^^
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Hi guys!
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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Was not expecting Talis to be vig shot. Fine with the claim being held off, at least till we know the outcome of this lynch. VE, based on Talis' and marvs reasoning. My list is VE, Glasse, and Zentor. Still working on connecting up the pieces, Zentors meta makes reading him a bit tricky but I find the Zentor Zeph votes confirming an Erandorr lynch pretty damning. VE fits into the story since he was the second canidate.
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Sooo, we kill VE I guess? I can live with that!
##Vote: Ve
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Ow, and Marv. Why did you not tell us that VE masoned you earlier?
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still a little unsure about VE to be honest. I'd rather see some people who don't usually talk a lot talk about the pros and cons of a VE lynch and why they think lynching VE is the best move right now if they're voting him.
I think I already said enough the last couple of days and we desperately need everyone to join the discussion so gogo.
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On August 13 2012 20:24 Toadesstern wrote:
still a little unsure about VE to be honest. I'd rather see some people who don't usually talk a lot talk about the pros and cons of a VE lynch and why they think lynching VE is the best move right now if they're voting him.
I think I already said enough the last couple of days and we desperately need everyone to join the discussion so gogo.
mostly right now we need people to sheep me/talis
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On August 13 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 20:24 Toadesstern wrote:
still a little unsure about VE to be honest. I'd rather see some people who don't usually talk a lot talk about the pros and cons of a VE lynch and why they think lynching VE is the best move right now if they're voting him.
I think I already said enough the last couple of days and we desperately need everyone to join the discussion so gogo. mostly right now we need people to sheep me/talis Sorry for noob question but what does sheep mean?
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On August 13 2012 21:32 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2012 20:24 Toadesstern wrote:
still a little unsure about VE to be honest. I'd rather see some people who don't usually talk a lot talk about the pros and cons of a VE lynch and why they think lynching VE is the best move right now if they're voting him.
I think I already said enough the last couple of days and we desperately need everyone to join the discussion so gogo. mostly right now we need people to sheep me/talis Sorry for noob question but what does sheep mean?
follow. like sheep :>
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On August 13 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 20:24 Toadesstern wrote:
still a little unsure about VE to be honest. I'd rather see some people who don't usually talk a lot talk about the pros and cons of a VE lynch and why they think lynching VE is the best move right now if they're voting him.
I think I already said enough the last couple of days and we desperately need everyone to join the discussion so gogo. mostly right now we need people to sheep me/talis
I thought you wanted me to post more and explain more although I'm kinda confirmed town.
So if you didn't want me to post more because you wanted to read me you wanted me to post more because you're trusting my judgement (at least a tiny bit?) or why else would you want me to post on something that you (apparently?) agree with.
And now it's all about sheeping you instead? That's kind of a change of mind, isn't it?
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On August 13 2012 21:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote:On August 13 2012 20:24 Toadesstern wrote:
still a little unsure about VE to be honest. I'd rather see some people who don't usually talk a lot talk about the pros and cons of a VE lynch and why they think lynching VE is the best move right now if they're voting him.
I think I already said enough the last couple of days and we desperately need everyone to join the discussion so gogo. mostly right now we need people to sheep me/talis I thought you wanted me to post more and explain more although I'm kinda confirmed town. So if you didn't want me to post more because you wanted to read me you wanted me to post more because you're trusting my judgement (at least a tiny bit?) or why else would you want me to post on something that you (apparently?) agree with. And now it's all about sheeping you instead? That's kind of a change of mind, isn't it?
Toad, darling, I know you have trust issues, let's work on them together <3
It's either you or VE as godfather when it comes down to it. And right now it's extremely likely it's VE and not you, for reasons previously given by various people.
You're a vet here and capable of helping to lead town. Yet you're providing uncertainty instead. You said I'm more likely to be scum than Hassy, which is absolutely nuts. Look at Hassy's vote on Zeph for god's sake.
I've come in trying to bully town a bit, because that's what town needs. It's been drifting around rudderless for days. I'm not trying to take all credit for the Zeph lynch (hello red check did that :>) but I helped push the lynch off talis on to Zeph. Now I'm trying to get the next mafia target lynched.
So let's do this, ya?
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On August 03 2012 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote:I didn't realize we ventured off the beaten path into MafiaScum here...so we're just voting randomly now? Should I take this as your consent to lynch randomly today? For my part, I'm very much against random lynching in this game. We need to be lynching scum, and if Bureaucracy taught us anything, it's that D1 scum lynches are VERY VERY possible given proper scumhunting. Granted, it took scum and town BOTH looking, but I digress....I'm against RL this game.
Remember this post and how strange it was. It makes sense if he knows Zeph's alignment and is trying to bus him! Day 2 he comes in and votes for Zeph based on his list and the day 1 post. Why didn't he push him like Eran or Talis?
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yeah, all of VE's interactions to do with Zeph read quite dodgily.
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Ugh...I'm not scum but yeah I gotta die. :/
Sorry I haven't been around, I had some stuff come up the last couple of days.
I think of everyone, I think I'd like a Hassy lynch the mostest...but that's without doing a reread or anything.
Fuck, sorry everyone...right after a scum lynch too. :/
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On August 14 2012 01:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh...I'm totes scum but yeah I gotta die. :/
Sorry I haven't been around, I had some stuff come up the last couple of days.
I think of everyone, I think I'd like a Hassy lynch the mostest...but that's because I'm trying a desperate bus save.
Fuck, sorry team...right after my buddy got lynched too. :/
fix'd for ya
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We're just lucky it's not MYLO
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