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##Vote Zephirdd slOosh what do you think about prplhz? I thought he was a little tame for what I'm used to when I attacked him...but then again he's playing differently in general from what I'm used to judging from his last couple of games...I'm null leaning scum. What about you? | ||
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1) Who is scum? 2) Why do you think so? | ||
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##Unvote Zephirdd I'm rereading with a focus on players who barely have any content, and hopefully one of them jumps out at me...because at this point I'm on the verge of a Lurker Policy Lynch...and those of you who have played with me know it's serious if it's come to that. | ||
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This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. | ||
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*grumblegrumble* I'm gonna look at the filters one last time before I decide. BRB | ||
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I'm totally good with a Talis lynch for thecrecord and Zeph too to a lesser degree...but prplhz should be todays lynch imo. | ||
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prplhz entered the game in what I perceived to be an extraordinarily scummy way. The first thing he did upon entering was complain about spam that had yet to even occur. I mean, there's fostering a pro-town environment and there's seeking out easy town-cred by saying something completely devoid of content, you know? Anyway, when I called him out on it his response was to diffuse the situation. I viewed this as overly diplomatic according to what I've observed as prplhz' playstyle. As a result, my scumread on prplhz was born. His only subsequent actions he made in the game were his case on Glasse and his vote on slOosh for inactivity. Those are the only things prplhz had done in the game. And looking at the timing of it all, it just looked extremely bad. But prplhz flipped town. So that leaves us with the question: Who, among us, is scum? Right now I'm looking into talismania, Errandor, Zephirdd and I'm filtering one JingleHell and I'm trying to figure out what to think about wherebugsgo. I'll post my findings in detail a little later...but those are my preliminary thoughts before reading/casemaking. Anyone saying I'm scum for "my attitude" needs to have their head checked. I've been trying to help. I apologize for my absence, I intend to do my part in finding and destroying our enemies. | ||
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2) You're also used to reading games of me getting lynched D1 and D2 for retarded claims and shitty play. I'm trying to tone it down. Evidence of this can be seen in Beururuauruuracracy Mafia, D1 of NMM, etc etc. I'm playing differently - restrained. I can assure you though, I'm reading and have thought. | ||
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But you know, that's just what I've heard. Through the grapevine. | ||
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On August 06 2012 03:09 talismania wrote: Ok thanks VE but can you expand on your thought process for picking bugs? Like you really wanted to make a friend to defend you so that you could focus on scumhunting? That was your motivation? No, my reasoning was to establish my innocence with Bugs FIRST, before anyone else. Not so he could defend me, but so he wouldn't suspect me. One of my strengths as a townie is my ability to establish my innocence...however I'm not a townie in this game, I'm a mason. And as a mason, by default my attention is going to be split between interacting with the thread and interacting with my PM box. Therefor, my activity in-thread is bound to suffer and the person I thought would be most likely to suspect me for that was Bugs. If Bugs doesn't suspect me, then he can focus on finding real scum - which as many of you know, if he's town, is going to be extraordinarily powerful. If he's scum then he's either going to ignore me or try and manipulate me...in which case, I get information regardless. And because I've played quite a few games with Bugs, I'm more confident in reading him than I am most...so there's that too. There were several factors in play talis. Mason is a strong role, but only if played properly.........and not outted rashly. -.- | ||
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Posts like this: On August 06 2012 04:40 talismania wrote: My questions are never designed to directly lead to scum. I will use the information they generate but it's not going to happen right away. Motives for my questions: 1) I notice something strange/scummy that I want to track down 2) I want people that I think might both be scum to talk about each other 3) I want inactive people to get more active 4) I want people to post more and more reads There's never a plan. It's just turn over as many rocks as possible and see what I find. lead me to believe that he's trying to justify his lack of having an opinion of....like anyone. He just goes after whomever is the flavor of the page asking inane questions and then does not give his opinion or any conclusions he's drawn. What I find to be the most suspicious however is his unrepentant attempt at rolefishing. Like...come on guy. COME ON!!! It doesn't get any more anti-town than trying to fish for information about everyone's roles. Yet talismania has repeatedly asked for nameclaims from the town, or asked if people are breadcrumbing X, or referring to people by their claimed character name. It's all BS and I want it out of my town. Errandor has been at the soul of this WBG thing from the very beginning, and at its core, I think he's the cause of the chaos surrounding it all. It can be summed up with one question which Errandor has failed to answer satisfactorily: Why would he mason Bugs after Bugs just outted me as a mason? It's as simple as that. The answer to that question is simple: because he had reacted in one way, wherebugsgo would certainly out Errandor as mason in the same manner he outted me. I believe he did it as a vehicle to discredit wherebugsgo when he outted him as mason by decrying his "antitown behavior". I feel the fact that he's trying to appeal to everyone's emotions is indicative of the strength of his argument against wherebugsgo...he wants town to sympathize with him rather than think about the situation logically. It's scummy deflection. Here is the PM string from me and Bugs. It's relatively short because he ragequit. + Show Spoiler + Well what makes him awful is that he calls me scum every game and never has a shred of valid reason for it. Then he goes and says "well I only call him scum when he is scum!" when I've never been town (until now) with him anyway. I got super pissed when I realized he wouldn't change his opinion, ever. So why mason me? Because he's bad (or scum, but he would've had to stop being lazy) Talis claimed vanilla with Trudy Campbell, right? Pete Campbell's wife; she's a really nice person in the show. She's a very loyal wife and stuff, not particularly likely to be scum unless BC randomized the roles. Like I'm vanilla and as Roger Sterling (son of founder and one of the four partners) so it's unlikely that roles are linked to importance. I agree though, some of his posts feel a tiny bit off. However I'm more sure on prplhz+grush+broodking. Prplhz is tone of post and just overall feel. Grush is meta. Broodking is meta difference from LVI (he's clearly actively lurking) SlOosh is town, Zephirdd...seems town. Although I could be wrong and he's mafia trying to make enough sense to live. Original Message From VisceraEyes: First of all, just because he's tunneling you doesn't make him god-awful. Now, what do you think about talismania? The nameclaim thing is big to me - I lied pregame when I said I don't watch the show, my wife makes me watch it. I can extrapolate powers from people given names with a fair amount of confidence, plus mine kinda makes sense, so talis asking for a nameclaim from everyone is extraordinarily suspicious to me. It feels like someone else's idea too - like he was INSTRUCTED to do that. I might be reading too much into it, but I don't like it and I'm pushing his lynch instead of yours. Rereading prplhz, nothing has assuaged my doubt. I still think he's scum, but I don't think he'll be lynched today. slOosh is almost certainly town imo...he's actively trying to figure stuff out and is probably the best medic target we have tonight. I WANT A VIG TO SHOOT THE FUCK OUT OF GRUSH. I'm on the fence about Zeph. I don't think he's a good lynch today because of his activity - he'll tell us whether he's scum or not soon enough. Hide nested quote - Original Message From wherebugsgo: anyway if you want to discuss reads I'm all for it. I've been raging at Erandorr all day cause he's god awful and won't stop tunneling me, but if I want to leave a lasting impact on the game it will have to be through leaving behind some decent reads. I'll probably die today at any rate. Original Message From VisceraEyes: But don't fucking worry - I won't bother you with my "awful play" anymore. Fucking asshat. Original Message From wherebugsgo: so you masoned me but you're not going to give me reads. the fuck? how else is someone supposed to establish themselves? Original Message From VisceraEyes: Oh Hai! You were right I'm a mason! So I'm still getting used to this "not confirmed with your buddy" thing - we can't really share reads can we? Not on like D1...I really intended to use this as a vessel of establishing my innocence with you, but in retrospect that's pretty much impossible without privately sharing reads with you. :/ Sooooo...any ideas? So yeah...kill talismania or Errandor tomorrow if I'm not around to make it happen. /salute | ||
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I don't know why we're assuming slOosh was double-stacked - while I don't think it's likely that grush was a priority scum target, the way he was playing and posting felt kinda blue to me, so I can imagine it would feel blue to scum too. Plus, considering Bugs is among the only voices who was speaking out in opposition of grush, it makes even less sense to assume that a vig killed grush (because Bugs was under such heavy suspicion himself.) Until we get a vig claim, I'm assuming that both scum shots have been accounted for here. Bugs, our masoning is over sir. If you want to discuss with me, do so in the thread guy. There's some interesting stuff going on - I'll comment after my reread. | ||
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Looking at talis' activity, I'm less inclined to vote him. I mean - I get the case on me and I can't refute it...it's based almost entirely around the quality of my case against him, which I'll admit is fairly bad. That being said, I've masoned talis and we'll see where my read on him goes from here. Errandor is looking like the best target today - we've now flipped a town mason, so theoretically speaking lynching into the masons is a good plan if we're subscribing to the idea that scum must have masons. That aside, I had a scum read leaving N1 and that hasn't changed. I feel like his defense against my points fails to address the main crux of my argument which is that rather than argue his points logically, he's more interested in turning town AGAINST you appealing to their emotions. It just sucks for him that most everyone KNOWS you're a bastard regardless of alignment.  And in response to your first question...no guy. 5 out of what 20? players isn't enough. I'm thoroughly DISatisfied with town's activity right now. Hopefully I'll be able to add something more to the conversation soon. | ||
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You have failed to say why Bugs, your #1 scumread atm, is scummy in any kind of coherent way short of "He's a meaniehead!" You have failed to explain why you would, after knowing he outted me as mason, mason Bugs if your status as Mason is so damned precious. Let me ask YOU Erand: you think Bugs' move to "out the masons" was "anti-town" right? Then what was YOUR move to mason Bugs KNOWING he was going to out you to the thread? ITS THE EXACT SAME THING! Except when Bugs did it he did it with the intent of giving information to the thread. When you masoned Bugs, it was surreptitious...sneaky. Like look at the options: 1) Bugs outs you as mason. "SCUM!!! He shouldn't do that it's ANTITOWN!!" 2) Bugs does NOT out you as mason. "SCUMM!!!!! Why would he out VE and not me?!" There's literally no situation in which he could be town bro! You did that knowing what you were going to think of him! SO WHY DO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!? ##Vote: Erandorr Smooches, bro. | ||
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