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You didn't actually make a strong case against anyone, so that post honestly just makes me think scum.
Additionally, your responses to the initial votes against you seemed a little too concerned on your part.
This one in particular:
On July 17 2012 10:29 Obvious.660 wrote:
@JingleHell hi. I'm the guy who noted you used a colloquialism and defended you for it earlier. Anyone can throw anyone to the wolves. Take them out in back of the barn and shoot them. Leave them for dead. Thanks for letting me know my figures of speech are tells when they match anything ever said or used in a mafia game. I'll try to avoid them if it makes you feel better.
Please, take everything I say and compare it to everything ever written about scum. When you're done, you can lynch me and watch me flip town.
Such nonsense.
You took YourHarry's early vote against you seemingly way too seriously, it was obvious he had no case whatsoever at that point.
This combined with your sudden misread on me and then backtrack immediately after you get called out for it leads me to
## Vote Obvious.660
Also, I'm still suspicious of Mufaa and Evul simply because of their conspicuously inactive play. Furthermore, what few posts they made ended up useless to town.
Fulla you really need to post more, you're probably in the same boat in everyone else's eyes.
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On July 17 2012 23:43 Hapahauli wrote:
While Tube has made some suspicious posts, he's waaaaay too upfront/naieve about his suspicious behavior, and comes across as a really really bad townie player. Suspicion alone is not enough to lynch someone - its more important to look for Mafia Motive.
I would appreciate it if you explained what I did that was suspicious.
On July 17 2012 23:43 Hapahauli wrote:
Obvious.660 reads as pretty townie to me. He has many lengthy posts, provides clear reasoning for his actions, is playing recklessly. I don't understand the bandwagon at all, and this looks all too similar to the "LYNCH LAZERMONKEY" bandwagon on Day 1 in Newbie Mini Mafia XX. I don't want to spend pages and pages screaming in his defense this game, but I will do if we do this bandwagon shit again.
"Many lengthy posts" doesn't indicate townie in any way.
On July 17 2012 20:06 Obvious.660 wrote:
There aren't enough fingers to go around at this point. I will share a few thoughts before I sleep, as I may not make it back in time for any further analysis. Seriously, the town play needs to improve overall or we're going to mislynch tonight. It's awful that I am reading more scum than town.
> tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered.
> YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE.
> JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard.
> Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here.
> Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep.
> iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here.
> Calgar: My gut tells me town.
> Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today.
> drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet.
> Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time.
> Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play.
If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch.
You call this "clear reasoning"?
He still wants to lynch me because supposedly I didn't use enough quotes and should be read more carefully. -No analysis provided-
And again, I don't think someone truly playing recklessly would be so offended by an early, empty vote; nor would they be so heavily concerned that they may not survive that they would make a summary post rather than address the accusations against them.
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Why would someone blame you for a possible mislynch should Obvious get lynched. If it's not obvious, nobody was taking you seriously when you were randomly voting Obvious except Obvious himself. I only voted him once I actually started getting a read, as did Jingle and perfection.
Three people found it scummy because it's scummy, how's that fascinating?
I don't need anyone to distract the town away from me because nobody had any good reason to lynch me to begin with. If you think otherwise explain, not with some roundabout theory that bases itself on false assumptions.
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you're using the same argument that obvious backtracked on
theres literally no difference between the way i was talking before and the way i am now except i use punctuation and capitalization
how do you even get coached in mafia why does everyone keep suggesting this
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If it's not clear, all I said at the beginning was that I didn't agree with anyone's accusations because the game had just started and nobody's posts could hardly be read as incriminating. Obvious' most recent posts prompted a decent read though, which led me to post more substance overall.
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No I haven't?
Going from not having a read to having a read is not a change in "play and posting style". It's me saying what I believe during each time, with a shift to using punctuation once I realized it would help.
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Except I counter-argued that reason, and you agreed with it. You're just keeping your vote on me so as to look committed.
On July 18 2012 03:48 YourHarry wrote:
But even despite not providing any reason to vote Obvious.660, I did strongly push his bandwagon - mostly to see his reactions - which could seem scummy in many people's eyes. As you recently read, Hapha's accusation against me included this as my scuminess.
Also why are you mentioning Hapa's accusation when we never even suggested that we agreed with it?
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Well I'm still waiting for him to defend himself, it's been a good while since his post that instigated the votes against him.
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When are you going to start actually telling me how my posts are scummy?
Why do you think other people who initially wanted to lynch me no longer do?
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At the beginning I made shorter posts because I wanted to establish my presence, but without lying. I could only do so by posting my feelings because there was no knowledge to go off of as the game had just started.
If you actually read them in context, by the way, you can see that most of them were actually early, candid responses to the accusations first thrown at me.
During that phase of the game, by the way, all you did was post your own shitty one-liners or be completely inactive.
On July 16 2012 09:18 drwiggl3s wrote:
Goodluck all. Hope everyone here is also watching NASL grand finals :D
On July 17 2012 06:06 drwiggl3s wrote:What makes you think that he isn't Mafia himself?
On July 17 2012 06:07 drwiggl3s wrote:
ebwop:
laughing hard at your ebwop
Also you're saying that even though I decided to make longer posts it still means I'm scum? You're on the same wrong boat that Obvious realized didn't make any sense. The one with a sign saying "TUBE GOT COACHED HE'S SCUM". The reason people were voting me to begin with is because my posts were short and empty, so I changed that to make it more obvious that I'm town.
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And why are you dismissing the accusations against Obvious as petty bandwagons, he hasn't even defended himself yet.
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Well that sucks.
And yeah the fact that he didn't post a single thing between his summary post and his lynch doesn't really help. Regarding iamperfection, I agreed without saying so that he really was the next best choice.
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On July 18 2012 11:16 JingleHell wrote:
Calgar, would you feel comfortable suggesting a vigi shot on him if we came to a consensus that if it flipped him town, you were next in line for a lynch?
Alright, this sounds suspicious, why do you need to make such a proposition?
To me, it's pretty ridiculous that anyone should have to bet their life on a read that still has some chance of being wrong.
I hope you're just trying to incite a reaction because this seems like something scum would try to setup.
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You're trying to convince vigi not to shoot perfection because it would be too easy, but we have no better targets and Vigi might not live until night 2 (or exist, for that matter). The more of us alive earlier, the better. Your suggestion that we wait an entire 3 days to lynch our most prime suspect almost sounds like you're trying to protect a red role or something so that he can use it tonight at least.
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You just stated all the consequences of vigi shooting a townie, which are inherent and already known to everyone.
However, the much more likely scenario is that he actually is mafia and should therefore be taken out as early as possible.
If you disagree with all of Mufaa's, Hapa's, and calgar's cases against him, then you should explain where the reasonable doubt comes from, because "it's too easy" doesn't really convince anyone.
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I have no idea what you're talking about with this "me too" attitude.
And are you trying to say it's too easy or it's too quiet? Make up your mind. When someone makes few posts, and those few posts are also very scummy, that doesn't somehow give him a probable chance of being innocent.
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Except it does make sense if he IS scum, which everyone agreed is the more likely case.
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On July 18 2012 12:39 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 12:35 tube wrote:
I have no idea what you're talking about with this "me too" attitude.
And are you trying to say it's too easy or it's too quiet? Make up your mind. When someone makes few posts, and those few posts are also very scummy, that doesn't somehow give him a probable chance of being innocent. I'm saying too easy and too quiet are the same general thing here. He's an easy target. "It's quiet, too quiet" *Sudden huge influx of random plot villain A shows up to murder every fucking thing in sight*. When something looks too simple, too easy, or too obvious, sometimes it really is. As was obviously the case with... well, Obvious. But hey, let's go back to your logic. When someone posts next to nothing useful, and it's mostly obviously scummy, lynch that mofo. Who's cool with lynching tube on his own logic?
Too easy and too quiet are definitely not the same thing. If the few posts he made didn't scream scum, then you would only be saying "too quiet", which doesn't implicate him in anything.
How was that the case with Obvious? He made a good number of posts until his summary, and retrospectively some of them were helping town and some just looked plain scummy. Perfection, on the other hand, has only made posts that have not helped town in any way.
So now all my posts are both useless and scummy? Mind going into further detail?
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On July 18 2012 12:41 JingleHell wrote:
Everyone agreed? A handful of people said that. Now you're diving onboard with them, hence a "me too attitude".
And by the way, I'm not sure you answered what I pointed out. How would it make sense, if you were town and I was scum, for me to put a huge spotlight on myself to change which person was set to be mislynched? That would be utterly idiotic.
Also, you're doing that thing again where you put words in people's mouths. First of all, I didn't even suggest that situation, the issue of you being scummy is separate from the one where perfection should be vig'd.
Also, like I said, if that was the situation, then it WOULD make sense if perfection IS scum, because then it wouldn't be a mislynch on him.
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