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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:22 GMT
#1656
for reason's milton just demonstrated
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:22 GMT
#1658
EBWOP: reasons
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:24 GMT
#1663
it doesn't matter. if you are confirmed town, people can stop suspecting you completely.

how much time do you think Keir and Milton spent in your filter this game? that was all wasted time
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:25 GMT
#1667
you are really the cop?!
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:26 GMT
#1670
you'll have to forgive me, but i'll be waiting for the endgame post
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:34 GMT
#1690
On July 21 2012 06:33 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 06:32 sciberbia wrote:
On July 21 2012 06:30 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, so Dropbear was scum then?

Makes sense, although talis/Mattchew seemed too passive about their buddy almost getting lynched on D1


maybe that's why talis did soooo little to push his "top target"


Yeah, that was basically what made me doubt my read on him

IF YOU GUYS HAD JUST READ MY NOVELS YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT!

>_>


fixed that for you ;D i kid i kid
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:37 GMT
#1697
Milton- I am a little frustrated too, but content. My lack of time to start the game made my reads just terrible. Making one solid scum read amidst all the other crap is like a C- but I'll take it over the F I was sure I was going to end up at.
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:40 GMT
#1701
what was with all that die townie die stuff right before the lynch? im berry curious
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:56 GMT
#1715
On July 21 2012 06:49 sciberbia wrote:
I was really impressed that you guys lynched Mattchew on D3 with me and s&b (arguably two most townie-looking) both arguing vehemently in favor of gonzaw instead. well done!


I liked the town atmosphere in general. Good contributions from all over. We took turns being right and leading the town in the right direction. It felt chaotic but our endpoint was usually good.

Matt's bus helped a lot too
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:58 GMT
#1719
I owe you a sorry Risen for reading you so very, very wrong. I'm glad I got it right last game though lol
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 21:59 GMT
#1721
On July 21 2012 06:58 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 06:57 sciberbia wrote:
What's the betting mason QT is longer than scum QT?


Especially as I've been talking to myself since austin died


LOL

sciberbia, what is your read on Milton

it's largely the same as yours, sciberbia
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 22:01 GMT
#1726
WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

good job town
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 22:02 GMT
#1732
marv for sure
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 22:59 GMT
#1774
I think bugs is too critical.
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 23:00 GMT
#1776
also yay 500!
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 20 2012 23:08 GMT
#1786
I'm all for learning! I give myself a low grade for this game, but it had more to do with time I had to play early on.

I'm looking forward to your write-up. I'd like to know what was wrong with the analysis for both sciberbia's case on Talis, and my case on Mattchew.

I've already learned one thing that was wrong with my case on Mattchew, but I'll keep it to myself until after I see the write-up.
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 21 2012 00:51 GMT
#1802
I can see the sense in the statement that scum could have easily pulled a few more strings here and there to steer us away from the right courses that we ham-fisted our way on to.

I still think town did (comparatively) a pretty good job here overall, considering the town play I see in other games around here (LVI comes to mind).

Much love to my newbie brethren <3
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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 21 2012 12:49 GMT
#1815
I'll chip in with my 2 cents gonzaw.

My example will be this post:

On July 13 2012 05:15 gonzaw wrote:
Disclamer: This is the "list" of scummy guys I'm not that comfortable lynching and I'd like people's opinions on them (I think it's likely there is at least 1 scum in here...hell maybe all are scum >_>)

About DropBear:

I already posted what I think of him:

+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts on DropBear] +

On July 13 2012 04:27 gonzaw wrote:
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On July 12 2012 23:35 strongandbig wrote:
On July 12 2012 22:39 Mattchew wrote:
Strong I feel like the entirety of your posts could easily be made by either town or scum, if this is you trying to establish your alignment you have done a poor job with me. Your post is longwinded and looks to explain your thought process, but we both know that 95% of your posts content has nothing to do with this game at all. Not only that but your early attempt at a read on marv does not even account for his other posts in the thread. And your reasoning for voting him from this game is too, extremely weak.



Sorry bro, but that's kind of the nature of the game I guess - any post could be made either by scum or by town? Do you have any suggestions as to how to be more townie?

Meanwhile, I feel like there's something to be read in Gonzaw's post about Derpbear - I'm just not sure what. Dropbera accuses Gonzaw of tryharding overmuch, when he's just Gonzawing - then Gonzaw attacks him in a way that I'm pretty sure either exaggerates or straight up mischaracterizes dropper's tiny filter.

hmmmmmmmmmmm...... I'll think some more about this later tonight.

Gonzaw, have you and DropBurp ever played together before?


The thing is his behaviour struck me as odd, and I wanted to "get the ball rolling" to see what happened..
Apparently nobody even commented on it, which was what I was expecting to.

I was not confident in Dropbear being scum, but I got a feeling he could.
Him later just discrediting my FoS, and general aggressiveness doesn't make me very comfortable FoSing him, since it's always more likely townies that do such thing; although I'm still wary of him buddying up to marv there and jumping on the Vivax bandwagon.
*sigh* However that's not decisive evidence, yet he's still one of my candidates for scum.
I'll reread some stuff and respond to other stuff later (just want to have the unvote right now so I don't have a vote and another one later, and so this post isn't huge)

##Unvote: DropBear




About Risen:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote:
So, if the lynch was right now I'd want to kill one of these 3 guys:

On July 12 2012 07:56 Risen wrote:
Welcome to ICBINTMM in which Risen does not post in caps or call anyone an idiot THE ENTIRE GAME. Stay tuned to see if this actually happens......


On July 12 2012 07:33 strongandbig wrote:
sup bros
i am currently watching Le Closer in french in my hotel room.
Scum y'all best get ready to get motherfucking interrogated


On July 12 2012 06:33 Mattchew wrote:
alight lets do this.

no zentor means no policy lynch based on names for me.



You can see the recurring theme in all 3 (just 1 post, promising something/appearing they are eager to start but not doing anything else later).

marv, talismania, anybody active, what do you think about these guys? If you had to kill one of them which one would you choose and why? (if you don't want to kill anyone then say so).

Also this guy could die too:

On July 12 2012 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
Screw the number and size of posts. I'm not a scientist, but it looks like talismania's been town --> scum --> town --> scum --> town. Therefore, he's scum this game.

I know that millers are supposed to claim D1, but I don't see why we'd want claims on other roles right now. Except from marv, who needs to let us know whether he's a vigi or scum this game, since those are the only roles that he rolls.


But at least he put a little bit more effort (although that's not town-telling)

Dropbear and Milton haven't even posted, but well we can't do anything about it.


Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early.


I already posted why this was weird. He came out of nowhere just to defend himself against me, but doesn't say anything at all about it, just posted a very apparent tautology without saying anything.

Another thing I found weird was:
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On July 12 2012 16:38 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 16:29 Vivax wrote:
There's no link to a voting thread in the OP methinks.Add pls?

##Vote active lurk strongandbig


Yes, this is going places. I like your thinking. I just like your style, my dude. You have my vote!

##vote: Vivax


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On July 13 2012 02:55 Risen wrote:
I've had experience with Mattchew being scum, as we were both godfathers who flipped vigis in some other game I can't remember the name of. I think he's WAY, WAY, WAY more active and useful this game ALREADY than he was that game.


He voted Vivax (I assume) because he didn't state why he voted S&B all of a sudden.
However, in that 2nd post of his, Vivax already had 2 votes (marv+Dropbear) and Vivax already explained why he voted/unvoted S&B.....yet he doesn't comment anything about it.

If he's town, he knows his vote is the most important thing he has (unless he's Awesome Vigilante with Homing Heat-seeking missiles that 100% target scum), so one would think he'd pay attention to things regarding the guy he's voting.

Him softly-accusing Dropbear without actually taking a stance in the subject here:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 15:22 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote:
This is silly.
On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:

since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others).

This isn't going to happen and would just waste time.



On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway.


For example: this could be DropBear bussing/giving his teammate a way to backtrack on his plan or it could be scum calling out a townie. I'm not saying I even have a scumread on drop as he seems to want a pro-town environment, which is something I'm all for, but this is something that could be used to confirm a connection in my mind at a later point in time.

And his seemingly apologetic post here (that again is just an excuse for him not to do anything)
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 15:18 Risen wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:14 sciberbia wrote:
@keirathi, @Dropbear, @Risen
Do you guys have any suspicions yet? Maybe you could comment on my post about risen/marv or about gonzaw's accusations of risen/strongandbig/Mattchew? This thread is too quiet for my liking -- please share some of your thoughts.


I think it's too early for anything. I don't really like to make reads without any connections (this might be a bad thing to do). I just think it's easier for me to make cases when I consider people as members of a team, not as individual scum members.

Make me suspicious of him

However, his "kind" attitude and way he's posting make me wary. Like, the way he posts is very weird and would certainly call people's attention....but isn't it too obvious perhaps? Like, it seems he doesn't really care how people see him, which doesn't make me that confident in thinking he's scum.
But meh, I'd appreciate people's thoughts on him


About Milkton:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 17:39 Miltonkram wrote:
Hey everybody I'm finally able to get in the thread. I'll make this my quick introductory post and then get to scumhunting. I find that policy talk naturally transitions into a scumhunt over the course of D1. I think we all know the major points of policy that get talked about, and I tend to take each policy on a case by case basis anyway, so I won't waste much time on policy talk other than to say that talismania's proposal is pretty obviously a bad idea.

First things first, here is a list of games I've played in as well as links to my filters from those games. I think I'll be starting all my games with a list like this because it helps me improve. If I'm scum, I have to avoid playing closely to my scum meta. If I'm town, I put pressure on myself to make good reads. The list is spoilered so as not to take up too much space.
+ Show Spoiler +
NMM XIV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337671&user=240210
I was a Mafia Goon in this game.

NMM XV: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340298&user=240210
I was a Vanilla Townie in this game.

NMM XVII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344270&user=240210
I was a Mafia Goon in this game.

NMM XVIII: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345447&user=240210
I replaced into this game. I was a Vanilla Townie.

NMM XIX: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347856&user=240210
I replaced into this game. I was a Vanilla Townie.


This post seems fluffy as fuck, specially the 1st part.
The "list of game I've played" is filler as well, it doesn't add anything else to the game
Even after posting that he doesn't do anything later (is he still "busy" or something?)

However it's his first fucking post so it's not like we can get a meaningful read out of it

Well fuck, another wall of text

So....I'll try to keep things a little bit separate and post my actual "scum reads" in the next post (it's just S&B+austin+Keirathi anyways....yeah SPOILERS whatever).


The portion on Risen, you cite some posts and explain how you think they are weird. As I'm reading along, I'm processing your indictment of him, matching it to my own thoughts. Then I get to the bolded portion, and I see you don't really have any convictions on this at all.

I had a lot of problems with this posting style...it's like a stream of consciousness. You open the brain valve and spill a bunch of stuff out and then turn it off X minutes later and hit post. The result is you present a lot of ideas, many of which you counter by yourself, finished off by a conclusion that has lost all meaning because it has no foundation to stand on.

That back and forth you do with yourself needs to happen in your head. You need to arrive at a single endpoint prior to posting, and present evidence that supports it. If you can't do this, then you probably shouldn't be writing a wall of text on this player at this time.

The more I saw you doing this, the more I wanted to tune you out. I really had to force myself to grind through your stuff to find where you stood on things.

I seriously love your effort though...if you could find a way that works for you to narrow your posting down such that is concise and representative of your strongest convictions, then it would both make it easier for people to read you, and make it easier for town to get some use out of your best reads.

ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 21 2012 16:02 GMT
#1817
You can't ask other players to make sense of your thoughts for you. That's your job.

Just pointing things out is not enough, you need to justify why those things were worth pointing out in the first place. You need to tie them together into some form of final interpretation. Taking a stance on something with sound reasoning and good word economy is a good way to get people to listen to you. People will continue to listen to you even if you change your mind, provided you can explain/it is clear why you are doing so. This is a lot better than presenting two conflicting lines of thought and coming out on the other side totally luke-warm.

Posts like the one I highlighted on day 1 set the tone for how people are going to gauge what you have to say. If you are presenting big blocks of 'I don't know,' they may be inclined to read you until they have a town read they are reasonably sure of and then mostly tune you out, or worse, they will begin to suspect you.

This is what I feel happened this game. Your posts remained lengthy, but you took firmer stances as the game went on. By that point though, people either thought you were scum, or thought this was more of the same.

I'm no guru by any means, so take this with a grain of salt of course. Also I hope you don't view this as me trying to debase you Hopefully some of my thoughts are constructive for you. I have plenty to learn from this game myself.

ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
July 21 2012 16:05 GMT
#1818
Also, if you remember, Marv was all over me for for pointing things out but not taking a stance on them on day 1, so I'm guilty of the same thing. He was right to do so.
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