s&b is absolutely right Risen. my filter was pretty dodgy for the first two days.

you saying I was a strong town read seems like a lie, just like your cop claim was a lie.

I really don't see any reason to not lynch you tomorrow. I said I would go through your filter, and I will, but your desperate thrashing about is proof in the pudding.

now you are calling s&b scummy? just lol

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 13:12 GMT

#1598

On July 20 2012 07:07 Miltonkram wrote:
s0Lstice, all credit goes to you buddy.

I owe you some pleasure time, heh heh

Gonzaw, you get the begrudging pleasure time.

LOL I missed this somehow

Anyway, still filter diving. The connection between Mattchew and Risen seems pretty strong. Hopefully I find a little chunk of time to post some more extensive thoughts, but right now I'm still very much interested in killing Risen tomorrow.

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 19:52 GMT

#1604

I've pestered Mattchew a few times for a read on Risen...which was lucky because I've been keenly aware of the weird answers he gave.

On July 14 2012 03:30 Mattchew wrote:
Imma read into risen now

This was leading up to the day 1 lynch. He never followed through.

On July 17 2012 11:04 Mattchew wrote:
I just read Risen's entire filter, and couldn't find any inconsistencies or holes in logic. Even his read on me I can't really argue with. I haven't been as active as I should this game and while I don't think I have tried to fly under the radar, I could see where one may draw that conclusion.

His reads are constantly evolving and changing more WAY more than when I played with him as scum, and he basically started and got Vivax lynched. While I didn't agree with the lynch + Show Spoiler +

On July 13 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:

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his effort and his not giving a fuck style

he didn't push it in a scummy way. Late voters of Vivax should actually be looked at more strongly.

This leads me to my next scum candidate.

Gonzaw.

I was waiting to push this until Talis flipped because A. I wanted to see if he was scum and B. I wanted to keep the conversation on Talis.

I will make my case before deadline tomorrow. I have a lot of it mapped out in my head just not written down yet and I want to keep up with the fast pace of Bureaurcracy Mafia tonight

This should really be all you need. Read Risen's filter up to that time-stamp and see if YOU see any inconsistencies or logic holes.

When Risen went off the deep end recently, I questioned Matt about the read:

On July 19 2012 07:16 Mattchew wrote:

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Not exactly, because of his gonzaw play which I don't fully understand, but I don't think that changes my read on him in anyway

He still clings to that town read, despite the reasons for making that read originally being no longer valid.

And regarding the cop claim:

On July 20 2012 00:05 Mattchew wrote:
Announcement:

I dont care about Risen's alignment today. He claimed cop, no one counter claimed, and no one has claimed any other blue role, which with a GF flip and no mason buddy claim makes me believe he is telling the truth.

This is like the worst reason ever to clear a cop claim. The absolute first thing you must do is check the person's filter to see if the cop claim matches their play. Set-up speculation must come after. You had better believe that a scum Mattchew would have been ALL OVER this claim if Risen is actually town. This would have been such an easy mis-lynch for scum to direct, for a number of reasons.

But Mattchew stubbornly sticks to that town read, for pretty much no good reason. Doesn't vet the cop claim, also for no good reason.

I think this is a pretty strong connection, and makes a lot of sense with Risen as scum.

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 20:55 GMT

#1608

Mattchew assumed that he was in a pretty good spot following his bus. Risen however was not, so they had to address that. The fake cop claim, if everyone buys it, sets them up pretty good.

s&b was reading pretty strongly town anyway, so really he only 'confirmed' me.

It's a worthwhile price to pay to give them:

Mattchew: heavily pushed the lynch of confirmed scum on day 2
Risen: claimed cop with two green checks

This gives them a lot of options going forward. If people buy the claim, they have 'cop' and a proven 'scum-hunter.' If they had managed to get your lynch to go though gonzaw, they wouldn't have been that far from lylo.

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 20:58 GMT

#1610

And honestly, the number of lies Risen has told this game should make you want to lynch him anyway. There's a reason Lynch-all-Liars exists...it's because scum have far, far greater motivation to lie than townies do. When you are lynching a proven liar, you are probably also lynching scum.

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:05 GMT

#1616

of those two options, i'd say VT. I find it really hard to believe that he would out himself as an actual cop with 2 green checks to show for it.

If he is town, he wouldn't be at huge risk of scum killing him because there were plenty of people suspicious of him. He's smart enough to know this. Also, if he was actually a cop, I believe he would have saved that claim for when he was legitimately in danger of being lynched, not right after the day post.

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:07 GMT

#1621

rofl

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:07 GMT

#1624

yea i think Risen resigned

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:08 GMT

#1626

oh derp, I suppose that could be true as well

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:10 GMT

#1631

do we need blues?

our set-up could have basically been 3 scum vs 11 VT

scum have RB and GF, but we have no DT

I'm beginning to think also that austin didn't have a mason buddy

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:10 GMT

#1634

EBWOP: 10 VT

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:12 GMT

#1640

yea 2 mason with nothing else on town side seems alright to me

but then again i know fuck all about balance xD

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:15 GMT

#1645

yea hooray for first town win! I think this will be my 2nd? Counting depressed me so I stopped

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:19 GMT

#1652

it could very well be a vig shot, we'll have to see.

it would take some serious patience to hold that shot for two nights though

s0Lstice

United States1832 Posts

July 20 2012 21:21 GMT

#1655

also, sciberbia, you really needed to have claimed

'everyone already viewed me as town anyway' is not a good enough reason. there is a HUGE difference between looking town and confirmed town