Yeah I know, should have thought that a little bit more.

Doesn't seem like scum to me though.

Anyways, then lynch like this and we win Dropbear->sciberbia->Risen

Actually I dunno I have to reread things.

Anyways people, thank you for reading everything I posted about Mattchew >_>
/sarcasm

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:06 GMT

#1522

Tomorrow we massclaim. If mason doesn't claim by then I'll sneak to his house and put a snake in his shoes

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:08 GMT

#1526

Hye S&B!

On July 19 2012 20:39 strongandbig wrote:

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This is egregious. Every time a framer has been mentioned in a thread since I've started playing TL mafia, someone has mentioned the possibility of framing their teammates; there's no reason to assume the opposite so blithely.

It's just, like, enough is enough - at a certain point we have to assume that this is malicious. I just can't decide what the odds are that Gonzaw would actually do as much work as he is claiming and posting without even reading the OP.

Do you plan on backing up this statement now? I'd like you to convince me there is a Framer that can get a buddy of his to turn green to a check, if you know what I mean

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:12 GMT

#1530

I would have liked for him to flip RBer or Framer, would have answered many questions

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:14 GMT

#1534

Can Framers frame a scumbuddy so cop checks on him come back green?

I'd like wbg to answer this question now (if he can) since it can confirm 2 townies to us 100% (solstice+S&B)

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:14 GMT

#1536

On July 20 2012 07:12 Keirathi wrote:

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I'm not really sure where you're going with this?

WBG came into the thread and said framers can do both, but can't self-target.

If Risen is cop, then S&B and s0lstice are 100% clean.

Wait he did?

fuck >_>

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:16 GMT

#1540

Oh nevermind, I guess we can't have confirmed townies then

...UNLESS THE FUCKING MASON CLAIMED!!!!

ARGHGHGHHGG

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:16 GMT

#1543

There's no point in claiming tonight though, do so tomorrow in our massclaim

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:18 GMT

#1545

On July 20 2012 07:17 Keirathi wrote:

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What. Yes we can.

Matt was a GOON. That means if the last scum is a framer, they couldnt target themselves.

So there are 2 options:

1) Risen is a cop, and both of his checks are legit.

2) Risen is the 3rd mafia.

FUck me I'm sorry I'm too derp for this setup stuff

You are right then, S&B+solstice confirmed town

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:23 GMT

#1559

Okay, these are the possibilities:

Remaining scum role:

Goon: Then Milton lied since he claimed RBed (and there is no JK, let's assume this until someone else claims JK tomorrow), therefore Milton is scum, therefore S&B and solstice are town. If Milton was RBed by a JK, then S&B and solstice are still confirmed town since they got a green check on them.
Framer: Then Milton lied since he claimed RBed, S&B and solstice are town (also because Framer can't frame himself)
Godfather: Then Milton lied since he claimed RBed, S&B and solstice are town
Roleblocker: Then S&B and solstice are town

Conclusion:
No matter what role scum has, solstice and S&B are confirmed town

Unless there is a JK who DIDN'T JAIL ANYBODY ON N1 (which I find very hard to believe) AND one of S&B or solstice is GF.
I find this unlikely though, but we'll find out in tomorrow's massclaim!

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:25 GMT

#1562

Ehmm....

WTF RISEN

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:28 GMT

#1568

How the fuck was I supposed to know that wasn't a joke!?
I thought it was a fucking joke!

Are you fucking kidding me!?

ARGGGH

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:29 GMT

#1569

Meh yeah it's possible he did it to avoid getting shot by scum tonight, let's just ignore it until tomorrow.

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:31 GMT

#1571

Depends on what you flip

gonzaw

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July 19 2012 22:45 GMT

#1576

Yeah okay, I'll have to recheck Dropbear's filter YET again, but if Risen is telling the truth I may have to check S&B's too >_>
Damn I don't really want to read more filters this game <_<

gonzaw

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July 20 2012 02:30 GMT

#1593

I had 5 votes and Mattchew 3 (me+solstice+Milton) when Risen swapped.

Although it was Milton who started the "last-minute wagon" (and he should get most of the credit), Risen was the second one and had he not done that (even if he said he thought Matt was town...even more incentive to NOT change his vote) I would have been lynched.

However had sciberbia or S&B or anyone of those that had voted me changed their vote to Matt Matt would have been lynched and Risen would have looked pretty bad, so if he's scum I could see him bussing Matt like that just to "get the cred" someone else would have gotten if he had not done it.

Hmm...still, I'm not that sure. If Matt is scum it doesn't make much sense to claim he got a green check on S&B/solstice, considering it enhances the chances Mattchew dies and it makes it impossible for scum to cast doubt on those 2.

If you still think I'm scum...:

I'd argue that if both me and Mattchew were scum this would be an EXTREMELY INEFFICIENT play from both of us.
Basically some of you guys are saying me and Mattchew both bussed the hell out of each other since N2.
....for what purpose? Right now we are 7v1.
If I'd have done this "just for the town cred" (no matter who of me or Mattchew was lynched), then I would still need to survive 3 lynches and justify not dying 3 nights, and that would raise mayor red flags and I'm sure I'd get lynched soon because of that (specially if I was scum...since well I'd be scum and I'd slip or something).

Well...maybe this is "pointless speculation you could have easily done as scum" so I'll drop it. I just want you to read the thread from D2 and D3 knowing Mattchew and talis are scum and see what scum motivation I had in my actions.

I am not really sure I'll get killed tonight, but it's a possibility (Risen/Milton/Keirathi are other possibilities). I doubt we have a JK at all, but JK, if you exist please don't forget to target someone tonight

Tomorrow all the pieces will fit together with the massclaim. At least we'll know who that mason is and if we have a JK, and if Risen fake-claimed or not, that will answer lots of questions.

Hey Dropbear, where you at?
You've been the only player that hasn't chimed in since Mattchew's flip I think, are you his buddy?

gonzaw

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July 20 2012 02:56 GMT

#1594

If we do have hidden blues somehow, please claim right before the deadline if you have any info to give us (if you are JK who you targeted each night, if you are Cop who you checked, etc etc), in case you get shot.

sciberbia, you better tell us if you were RBed or not tomorrow. I take it it's possible the JK targeted scum on N1 and scum decided not to claim RBed (for some reasons....?), maybe the JK jailed talis or something >_> <_<

gonzaw

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July 20 2012 20:35 GMT

#1605

Why would scum Risen "confirm" 2 players as town (S&B and you) last day if he was buddies with Mattchew?

Granted it would reduce the pool of suspects and increase the chances him or Mattchew are lynched, right? (which effectively happened, and hell even people like Keirathi or Dropbear and other guys later wanted Risen lynched as well).

I know scum Risen can do crazy stuff...but that crazy stuff is generally used to confuse town even more, not to help town.

gonzaw

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July 20 2012 20:45 GMT

#1607

Well, I wasn't, it "confirmed" solstice and S&B to me.
Whether it made me "unsure" about Risen's claim or not...it confirmed 2 guys as town, you can't deny that (it actually confirmed them as town if you think Risen is scum).

I was actually suspicious of solstice and planning to read his filter and maybe going after him.....Risen basically allowed me to focus on Mattchew and not care about solstice.

Meh, hopefully scum don't have a RBer and kill him tonight or something.

Even then Risen has to survive 3 night kills and 3 lynches to win as scum, I doubt he could do that.
Also he may be faking his "I fake-claimed cop last day" to avoid getting shot/RBed by scum, so tomorrow we'll know if his claim is legit or not.

gonzaw

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July 20 2012 21:09 GMT

#1630

So night action deadline is 1 hour before the Day post?

.....I didn't know that >_> <_<

Okay, let's make some things clear:

On July 20 2012 18:15 strongandbig wrote:
Also gonzaw what do you mean by "massclaim"? It seems apparent at this point that we probably don't have any blues except the mason partner left, since if we had a vig someone would be dead, if we had a JK someone townier-looking than Milton would have claimed RB, and if we had a cop he would have counterclaimed Risen. (Or at least, I think that would be the correct play, I'm not sure).

I guess it's possible we have a JK left and they jailed Milton, but that's not a claim we can easily confirm since a scum roleblocker could also claim JK; I'm not sure what a JK claim gains us tomorrow, it's not like that person would be confirmed town.

I kind of agree that the Mason should claim, but I guess they want to save that until they are in danger of being lynched (that's the only reason I could see for them not claiming yesterday); I just hope they claim before LYLO because at LYLO the mason claim is useless unless it was breadcrumbed by Austin before he died.

This is why I want the massclaim:

We will KNOW who that freaking Mason is. Why? Because people won't just say "I'm not Mason", they will have to claim a role. If the Mason wanted to hide he'll have to fake-claim VT or blue or something, which he knows is lying and not helpful to town, so the massclaim will actually get him to claim.
We need a Mason claim to get 1 confirmed town, which:
-Reduces the pool of suspects to catch the remaining scum
-Reduces the pool of townies the remaining scum can latch onto to FoS or cast suspicion.
We'll know if there is a JK or not (right now we DON'T know).
We'll know if there is any other hidden blue role (like Town RBer), which will give more info to MIlton's RB claim. Meaning it will out that scum have a RBer or that Milton is scum for instance
We'll know if Risen fake-claimed cop or not.
The remaining scum has to fake-claim something, let him take the risk.

Is it 100% that no scum nor blue can change their actions right now?
We can start the massclaim right now then.