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On July 21 2012 06:31 Miltonkram wrote: @ sciberbia Dude, no worries. We won! I'm freaking excited about that. My first win as a townie! + Show Spoiler + FUUUUUUUUCKCCKCKCKCKCKCK YEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH Mine as well. | ||
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 Vivax was so obviously playing his town meta, and Drop had literally 0 actual case in all the posts that he talked about Vivax. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:40 Risen wrote: I find it disheartening that i lynched viv without looking at his meta and Matt by only looking at his meta lol You refused to listen to anyone telling you he was playing his meta. He's acted crazy in both games I've played with him, and its gotten him lynched both times. Although to be fair, at least he showed some restraint in this game. Last game when he started getting pressure, he fake-claimed cop as VT. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:44 Miltonkram wrote: @ Risen I feel like a pretty decent tell against Mattchew was that he wasn't willing to comment often on player's outside of those he was tunneling. It's an extremely convenient way of playing as scum. That was a pretty major difference I noticed between this game and the LVI game that s0Lstice pointed out. Also it really bothered me how he copied scib's cases 2 days in a row. Day 2: scib comes out the gate making a big case on talis Couple hours later: Mattchew makes a case against talis Night 2: scib explains some suspicions on gonzaw (giving Matt more time to make a case, which was why his case against gonzaw had more substance than the one against talis [and the fact that he was bussing, I guess]) Day 3: scib makes a case on gonzaw Couple hours later: Matt makes a case against gonzaw. Combined with the buddying up with scib because of the cases, and trying to take credit. It was a fairly solid case against Matt, overall. I'm glad we made the right decision. | ||
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Can you please finally give a good answer for why you breadcrumbed and then claimed? I still think claiming was absolutely the worst thing you could have done because 2 green checks . Even if you had been killed and flipped cop without specifically saying "I have green checks on S&B and s0l", people would have picked up on it from your filter. Now that you are in the open, the information literally means NOTHING. Don't worry about being NK'd so much. As long as you've breadcrumbed your information a bit, then stay behind the scenes. I would have lynched you yesterday no questions asked, if other people had been willing to vote you, solely because the claim made no sense. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:57 Risen wrote: It makes even less sense from a scum perspective imo b/c all it does is 1 for 1 trade at best. Anyways, I claimed b/c if I was town I would have lynched a Risen who was gone all day 2 unless he claimed something. Being a lurker is actually what I do as scum until later in the game. With something similar to your "If gonzaw flips red, matt is scum, he if he flips green keir/scib are scum", I think you could have gotten 2 for 1. I already posted why I thought that was dangerous for town, especially if your teamate was Mattchew. | ||
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GG gents. Could very easily have been a flawless victory! | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:21 gonzaw wrote: Hey! >: ( Apart from thinking Dropbear was likely town at one point, and being suspicious of solstice and Milton at another point, I don't see how "wrong" my reads were...? I don't necessarily think that your reads were wrong. You just made so many reads that you were bound to be right occasionally. I posted this before from my notes, but this was just up until the end of day 2: + Show Spoiler + gonzaw Townie Reads: Vivax, solstice, scib, tali, me; Risen, me; austin, Scum Reads: Risen, S&B, matt; austin, S&B, me, drop, risen; S&B, tali, austin; Tali, Drop, solstice, matt, risen, me; Null Reads: marv, austin, Risen;; Arguments against: Drop, Risen, Milton, matt; matt, Risen; Matt, Risen, votes: Drop, me, vivax;;tali You have scum reads in the first 2 days on 9 out of the 13 players. And town reads on over half of the people you had scum reads on. I generally didn't find any individual post of yours hard to keep up with, but overall, you were a trainwreck. You had so many opinions and they changed so wildly and rapidly, that it was easier to just devalue what you were saying most of the time. Not that I ignored it per se, because you did have some good points, but it was just too hard to know what your current opinion was most of the time. | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:26 Risen wrote: And yeah that included my shouting for nomination nonsense (I picked that up from Mattchew lol) Which I believe I called you out for  | ||
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sciberbia wrote: Will anyone ever take the hint and fakeclaim... As a VT, getting yourself killed at night isn't such a bad thing I thought about it. Too much of a risk when I don't know who the real Mason is though. I felt like whoever was mason was waiting to claim in the hopes that someone would fake-claim and they could get them lynched. I was pretty sure you were Mason (hence why I said I was 95% sure you were, and then accidentally said your name in the heat of the argument with Risen), but I didn't know what your feelings were towards me. If I fake-claimed, you probably would have outed me and wasted a mislynch. | ||
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On July 21 2012 07:54 Risen wrote: Whew rereading my filter I'm shocked I wasn't pushed by scum for misusing words. Bus alone wasn't going to get me lynched, but the claim and bus in combination would have gotten me lynched npnp had mattchew not tunneled gonzaw so hard. There were people (townies) in thread who really, REALLY wanted to lynch me (I don't blame them) and still matt stuck to gonzaw for reasons I'm unsure of. I really, REALLY wanted to lynch you, but I talked myself out of pushing it because I wasn't sure if it was just OMGUS, or if I actually thought all of your silly little slips/logic leaps added up to enough to make you scum, or just playing badly. Which is ironically the same thing that halted me voting talis on d2, and I was wrong about him :o | ||
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Risen made it clear when he voted for Matt that he thought Matt was town. And sciberbia had been saying all day that Matt was town. It's not like those people changed their minds at the last minute and suddenly thought Matt was town. The people not voting for Matt all had said repeatedly they thought Matt was town. Everyone on Matt except for Risen had reason to vote Matt over gonzaw, which was basically what the options came down to at the end of the day. | ||
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I maybe would have switched to Milton, and I certainly would have switched to Risen, but I don't really see either of those gaining enough steam. | ||
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The main problem with d3 was that me and risen spent too much time arguing with each other over something stupid. I dunno why I let myself get dragged into that kind of situation repeatedly, but I'll try to work on it. Had that not happened, I feel like I would have spent more time making my case against Matt instead of tunneling Risen so much. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + What about the fact that if chaoser is scum, he's trading 1-for-2 by claiming. That makes 0 sense. Town lynches vain and he flips town, then they lynch chaoser for lying, and then nard because foolishness said to. It seems much more likely, with the tracker check from WBG, that chaoser is actually town and happened to investigate the person who got framed. The timing of the claim likely loses town 2 players (vain, and chaoser) because of bad DT luck, and a bad claim. Edit: The alternative could be that he is bussing a teamate to get town cred for the rest of the game, but then he loses 2 teamates in vain and nard. | ||
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On July 23 2012 07:13 HiroPro wrote: + Show Spoiler + Eh, I didn't look at the tracker thing. Could be a framer. Could be a medic too, I guess (a really weird medic protect though (judging from what wbg said about what previously happened)). Could also be mafia hitting a vet. Dunno, I can't really tell from the info that's there. But I doubt it's a bus (you've already bussed Mig, going after another one of your teammates when another likely teammate is also up for lynch? pointless) and I don't think chaoser is town. A lot of towns are really bad at lynching the other person in 1-1 cop scenario though (I've been in a situation myself where a confirmed cop had me as a red check and town still didn't lynch me because they feared framer/miller). Also, with 5 people mafia still has 3 KP. Losing another member right after is pretty bad (reduces KP to two) and not something they'd want to happen. chaoser would know these things and I think he'd be comfortable making a fake claim in this scenario. And it's not really a 1 for 2 trade. nard would definitely die without chaoser claiming. He shouldn't really be part of the ratio. Also, the foolishness check is a little weird. From the information that can be gathered, chaoser believes that Mig is scum, so his sanity from his standpoint could possibly be normal or paranoid. But making a check on Foolishness just to eliminate that possibility (paranoid) is just really strange. Bit convenient to have your checks be dead too. Ultimately though, chaoser is a good player and it's really doubtful that a good player would claim cop like that if he really was town. The timing makes pretty much no sense from a town standpoint but it does help several mafia objectives (the most important being trying to shift the lynch off a very likely mafia). + Show Spoiler + Hmm, I've never played a game with more than 1 mafia KP, so I didn't really think about that. Thinking about that, the fake claim makes much more sense. Delaying scum dying by 1 extra day is basically a free kill. I'm still not sure about the tracker though. There's so many possibilities though that depend on knowing more about the game, although I agree that doc is unlikely. Edit: In fact, looking at it from that angle, then the fake claim at worst case scenario gets them to MYLO with the possibility of very little scumhunting happening in the mean time. 13v5, and get the mislynch with the fake claim. 12v5. 3 KP, so 9v5 on the next day. If town follows up on the chaoser claim (again, worst case), then its 9v4. 2 KP puts it at 7v4. Then, assuming town follows up on nard, its 7v3. 2kp puts it at 5v3, aka MYLO. | ||
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