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On July 28 2012 03:37 HiroPro wrote:
Rastaban said he only checked qbert one cycle. It's not unlikely for a minion to not get messages in one cycle, considering there are three of them.
And BM can't check night abilities.
Oh I didn't know that (thought it was a whole ability, not just day ones).
If that's the case, then I guess it's more likely he's scum because he knew of the mole, but I have a hard time thinking Zealos is town.
Meh, we can deal with it later, it's giving me a headache right now.
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What the hell? I didn't send that message
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That message is obviously trying to incriminate me, there'd be no way I'd be that "obvious" as scum.
If I was scum surely I'd need only 1-2 cycles to make messages like that (that make it "obvious" it was sent by me) to minion's I'd have; I wouldn't do the same thing on D4 risking getting caught.
The message is fake, which can only mean that austin is scum, or scum have a fake-messages ability (once they are caught).
If scum have a fake-messages ability, then surely it must be from a minion, who in this case would be risk.nuke, and it was sent by the chairman, but if that was the case, then the message is a lie since it says his minion has a Broadcaster ability.
That doesn't make any sense, the only possibility is that austin is scum and is trying to incriminate both me and risk.nuke for a 2-1 trade, or 2 misslynches and then playing the "oh scum must have an ability to fake messages" card later.
It makes sense, he claims right after rastaban explained everything about his ability, saying "oh yeah my role is just like rastaban", which is too convenient. I mean, he basically caught 2 scum, yet was afraid to claim or something? Why did he wait until rastaban claimed first with, seemingly, less incriminating message than his?
His behaviour when rasta claim is inconsistent with his claim:
On July 27 2012 23:57 austinmcc wrote:
Imo either
Rasta to confirm his role (but then we lose our streak), Chez, or QbertZ.
Also, I still think the mirror rule is stupid. Really stupid and wrong. But for those that like it, even though it's wrong, if Chez is a mafia messenger then he matches up with Sandroba, and the possibility of one of the remaining mafia being one of our kingmakers is back on the table.
He wants to lynch rastaban and Chez, even though he has "conclusive evidence" that risk and me are mafia? Really?
I knew he was mafia before, I dunno why I started to think otherwise these last few days.
The message said that the scum were trying to incriminate Chezinu. This must mean austin's buddy is Chezinu, who we know received a scum message.
Makes perfect sense, Chezinu was caught so austin decided to do a desperate last-ditch attempt to save him and put the blame on others to avoid losing straight away.
If Chezinu is town, then scum have another PMing ability, which seems rather odd (town have 2 exact same abilities, yet scum only have 1 that's the same), and can't happen since that message said the minion had a Broadcaster ability and never said "PM this message to X", meaning they are different abilities if it were true.
I guess Katina is scum as well because of Chezinu's message, but to be honest I'm not fucking sure, considering both QBertz and Zealos are town, which is quite a shock to realize.
I take it nobody will believe me, but it doesn't matter. Like supersoft said, even if I'm misslynched scum can't really win.
But I never like getting misslynched at all, and was never lynched in a conventional lynch (not taking into account Bang Bang) so I'd really like people to listen to this.
On July 28 2012 23:33 austinmcc wrote:
Going ahead and voting Gonzaw. Don't love leaving minions with powers up, but we can be more sure, given the writing, that the message came from Gonzaw, no matter who it went to.
If there's something wonky with the other stuff, we can figure it out once we've cut off mafia communication.
lol are you kidding me? Didn't you just claim you checked risk.nuke?
Wouldn't you say "that message was sent to risk.nuke no matter who it was sent by" instead?
You are cracking dude, you are just trying to a misslynch as soon as possible, whether it's on risk or on me.
I guess you planned on lynching risk first, but now that I'm the popular target you switch towards me
##Vote: austin
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On July 28 2012 18:13 syllogism wrote:
Gonzaw do you think the new CEO inherited the power to kill a minion they suspected to be the traitor? The flavor matches at least.
I just reread Foo's PM and it said he could use a "secret trap door" or something to instantaneously kill the traitor in the mafia team.
The flavor matches....however, MZ's death wasn't "instantaneous", it came with the Day Post.
Also, there was no other KP missing, which I think most likely means scum used their single KP on MZ, and the flavor just made it seem like scum "terminated" their traitor like the CEO would have done
Plus I don't think the Chairman of Marketing has the same ability from the CEO. I don't remember sloosh's PM (Chairman of the Board) having a similar ability.
Anyways, I'm leaving to see a movie so I think I'll be back 1-2 hours before the deadline. I hope we get some discussion going instead of blatant sheeping that will cause town to waste a complete cycle.
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On July 29 2012 00:49 supersoft wrote:
Order from town to scum, top to bottom.
11. Supersoft ---
15. syllogism ---
4. Probulous ---
7. VisceraEyes ---
12. austinmcc up
5. HiroPro ---
20. rastaban up
18. Chezinu ---
21. Mattchew ---
22. marvellosity ---
8. Bill Murray ---
27. Zealos ---
14. Katina down
23. risk.nuke down
24. Q-bert-Z down
9. Gonzaw ---
3 scum alive, 13 townies.
If you shoot 1 townie every night, you need about 5 mislynches in a row not to cut us down to a lylo situation. This would be 10 days in realtime if we shorten the days to 24 hours.
If Gonzaw is town (lol he isn't), we'll make a mass roleclaim happen tomorrow.
Your chance of winning this is 0.
Right, so you'll just ignore everything and start lynching from the bottom up?
Ok, tell me what happens in a Chezinu+austin+someone else scumteam....
.....that's more than 5 misslynches isn't it?
Thinking like this can lose us the game, even if we are so close to winning.
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Also
...we'll make a mass roleclaim happen tomorrow
That doesn't really matter if scum already claimed.
Plus I doubt there is any other confirmable town role out there.
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I'm trying to figure out if austin is the chairman or another minion....
...hmmm, I guess it's more likely he's another minion. Hell, maybe he has that Broadcaster ability after all and that part of the message is true (like some parts of sloosh messages were true as well).
Although didn't sloosh claim that the chairman of marketing's team had a "snoop" as well? That may be true and is austin's role too (and he didn't fake-claim), which adds some more credibility to the "mirror theory" (the town and scum "snoops" claimed tonight).
Hmm, although seems unlikely though, but it's still a possibility. I mean, surely the CEO told sloosh the abilities of the other team as well (Foo's PM said he knew their abilities) so sloosh surely knew them.
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On July 29 2012 01:45 austinmcc wrote:
Sorry but you're caught. If you flip town, then we can all bow down before whoever crafted that fake.
Quotes from the beginning of the night are no good for you, see the start of my claim where I say I'll stop playing around, and see how I spent early night asking some questions of Rasta and then of you about your reads. Was feeling out the situation, because I felt it was very unlikely i would be NKed, so I could just snoop you D5, pick up TWO messages from day and then night, and probably make sure that I had all 3 of you nailed down.
But I tend to overthink things and make them too complicated, and didn't want to do that here. Q-bert-z's mole message is so off, and his other play fits that message as well, so there was no need to wait around and find the third scum through messages, and no need to stay hidden.
So you'd wait until N5, faking that "lynch rastaban and Chezinu" claim?
Would you get rastaban or Chezinu lynched on D5 too?
No, you wouldn't fake that as town, it doesn't make sense, you'd out what you got instantly, or at least not lie in the thread about your intentions
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Well whatever, I'm leaving now
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lol I thought the deadline was today >_>
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On July 29 2012 02:08 supersoft wrote:
it's pretty easy. if we mislynch once, i change my list.
that list strongy relys on the current flips and roleclaims.
if austin lied, he moves all the way down to the bottom instantly.
Yeah I thought so after I said that, I wasn't really paying much attention >_>
I guess I'll get lynched anyways, so remember this once I flip: lynch austin
After that Chezinu is most likely his scumbuddy, since I see no reason for scum austin to make that gambit unless it was to save his buddy from certain death (which was going to happen because of Chezinu's slip).
The fake message tried to "incriminate" Chezinu, which is a great way for people to say "oh, this incriminates Chezinu, therefore Chezinu is town, no matter what he did before" and just drop the subject altogether.
We'll still win anyways, unless the scum is syllo or something an we were deceived since the beginning.
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On July 29 2012 07:46 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 07:10 gonzaw wrote:On July 29 2012 02:08 supersoft wrote:
it's pretty easy. if we mislynch once, i change my list.
that list strongy relys on the current flips and roleclaims.
if austin lied, he moves all the way down to the bottom instantly. Yeah I thought so after I said that, I wasn't really paying much attention >_> I guess I'll get lynched anyways, so remember this once I flip: lynch austinAfter that Chezinu is most likely his scumbuddy, since I see no reason for scum austin to make that gambit unless it was to save his buddy from certain death (which was going to happen because of Chezinu's slip). The fake message tried to "incriminate" Chezinu, which is a great way for people to say "oh, this incriminates Chezinu, therefore Chezinu is town, no matter what he did before" and just drop the subject altogether. We'll still win anyways, unless the scum is syllo or something an we were deceived since the beginning. For fun, I'll humor you. Who in this game knows your posting best? Hiro says that post reads like you, and reads like you talking to yourself in the liar game QT. I searched for <_<s and you use them both in this game and in others. If you happen to flip town, who knows your posting well enough to fake that?
Knowing I use >_>s is obvious if one just looks at my filter (as well as the [hr] and [b][u[b][b/]]Title:[/u][/b] thing). Anyone could fake that
The whole smiley use and the "lololol" and the "lol I suck" thing is just trying too hard. It's obvious it's fake.
Why would scum, knowing they will likely lose be that lively and enthusiastic if it was a real message?
It wouldn't. The message is fake and the guy faking it just went a little bit overboard, specially with that "lol this is so funny!" thingy at the start, which I don't really get.
Tell me austin, if you didn't fake the message, who could have? You think scum have a "faker" ability to fake messages they sent or something?
That seems almost impossible to me, so unless you prove that to me you are scum.
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lol fucked that up 
(as well as the [hr] and [b][u]Title:[/u][/b] thing)
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On July 30 2012 06:53 risk.nuke wrote:Hey, I'm back. I've been at Närcon. Due to mishappens I have not had any internet acces. And honestly I wasn't very worried about the game. Then I get home and I see this storm. I'm obviously beeing framed. I don't have a power like that and personally I don't buy austins roleclaim that allows you to intercept messeges. It just sounds to powerfull for this setup. It looks a hell of alot more like a desperate trick the scumteam is pulling. Especially since it's coming from Austin. Weather or not it incriminates Gonzaw I'm not sure. It's just so convenient that after he posts his fake-pm he instantly figures out who's writing style it is. Seems much more likely that he planted the gonzaw-signs himself. Unfortuantly I didn't come back in time to say this soon so I can't avert his lynch so I guess we will find out gonzaws alignment shortly but I'm bracing myself for a greenflip. ##vote: austin
You do realize that rastaban claimed the exact same thing before right?
Meh it's possible you are scum as well, so after I flip green and austin flips read you are "confirmed town" for the rest of the game.
But well, that's for the remaining townies to figure out later in the game.
On July 29 2012 12:55 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 01:39 gonzaw wrote:On July 28 2012 18:13 syllogism wrote:
Gonzaw do you think the new CEO inherited the power to kill a minion they suspected to be the traitor? The flavor matches at least. I just reread Foo's PM and it said he could use a "secret trap door" or something to instantaneously kill the traitor in the mafia team. The flavor matches....however, MZ's death wasn't "instantaneous", it came with the Day Post. Also, there was no other KP missing, which I think most likely means scum used their single KP on MZ, and the flavor just made it seem like scum "terminated" their traitor like the CEO would have done Plus I don't think the Chairman of Marketing has the same ability from the CEO. I don't remember sloosh's PM (Chairman of the Board) having a similar ability.
Anyways, I'm leaving to see a movie so I think I'll be back 1-2 hours before the deadline. I hope we get some discussion going instead of blatant sheeping that will cause town to waste a complete cycle. i was considering voting austin until this your head is surely in the scumteam, gonzaw, mister scumteam-setup-speculation
I was asked a question, I answered
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Okay since it seems I'll die, I'll try to post whatever I can:
austin is very likely scum. The only possible way he's town is if scum have a "fake-message" ability, which I doubt.
These are the 2 possible scum teams I can figure out:
austin Chezinu Katina
austin Chezinu risk.nuke
Chezinu received a message, and he is the only "messenger" left, so he's a minion who received a message from his executive.
The problem is that he could have figured out Katina was his executive, but him "figuring it out" doesn't mean she actually is (although I think is the most likely). Also his message could have just been irrelevant and he was just fooling around anyways.
Also the bit about the message "incriminating" Chezinu just feels too odd, and austin claiming that out of nowhere after Chezinu was "caught" is too much of a coincidence.
However, risk.nuke up there just instantly jumps against austin without even taking into account that I could be mafia as well.
It seems like a planned bus, so when I flip town risk gets the town cred and gets to bus austin later.
Like I said, once I flip austin should be lynched, and I assume that's what you guys will do.
However if that happens, risk.nuke would be come almost confirmed town since austin's message incriminated him, so one would say "Oh, austin wouldn't incriminate his own buddy like that when they are on the verge of losing, so he's town".
Well guess what, that could win scum the game, specially if they will only need 3-4 misslynches (don't remember how many of them they needed) to win.
What makes me start to think this is how austin wants to lynch me even though from his POV risk nuke is confirmed scum
Let me remind you of this quote
On July 28 2012 23:33 austinmcc wrote:
Going ahead and voting Gonzaw. Don't love leaving minions with powers up, but we can be more sure, given the writing, that the message came from Gonzaw, no matter who it went to.
If there's something wonky with the other stuff, we can figure it out once we've cut off mafia communication.
The dude is "sure" that "given the writing" the message came from me, no matter who it went to
For fucks sake if there's any scumslip in the world it's this one.
Again, let me remind you: from his POV risk nuke is confirmed scum! How the hell can he say "no matter who it went to"? From your POV It went to scum, and you should know that!
The fact that he forgets about risk when he's "confirmed scum" in his eyes is damning actually. If risk was town I think he'd try to misslynch him instead of going against me.
You know actually fuck it, Katina is town then (Zealos and QBertz are town so I am not surprised by now).
Once I'm lynched, lynch austin, then Chezinu and then risk nuke, or just lynch them in whatever order you guys want.
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On July 30 2012 07:05 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2012 07:01 gonzaw wrote:
You do realize that rastaban claimed the exact same thing before right?
sorry, could you link where this is?
*sigh*
Read the thread (or just filter rastaban)
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It actually makes sense.
Scum are on the verge of losing, so to win they'd need an overly-complicated gambit that includes all 3 of them (austin, Chezinu, risk.nuke) and adds a lot of chaos and confusion and can make them change the game, specially if they kill influential town members in each of these subsequent nights and only leave the "sheep townies" alive, who will have no fucking idea what to do.
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I'll make that a little bit more organized
Hmm, I think it could be something like this:
Chairman of Marketing: austin
Bossy Employee Minion: Chezinu
Broadcaster Minion: risk.nuke
I take it perhaps the "Broadcaster" ability is actually from scum and is actually risk.nukes role.
If risk.nuke was lynched, he'd flip that adding lots of credibility to austin's "claim", even if I flip town. If I flip town he can just say "risk.nuke flipped Broadcaster just like I said, so I'm legit. I'm sure scum decided to incriminate gonzaw with that message just in case someone intercepted it. Yeah maybe scum sent that message after rastaban claimed, and oh yeah I lied and I got it instantly at night not in the day!" or something like that. At worst it could add confusion in the thread and may give him a little more time.
Chezinu is obviously "Bossy employee" or has the same ability.
That leaves austin as chairman of marketing, which doesn't make much sense if Palmar was his minion (I'd think Palmar would be executive and austin a minion, by "meta" standards at least), but well sloosh was chosen as executive instead of BH/layabout/MZ which I guess means we shouldn't take it into account
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Of course it's possible risk.nuke is chairman and austin minion or something like that as well
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