EPTOn July 18 2012 04:33 Kurumi wrote:
Interesting, why? Then I shouldn't get lynched before I got nuked!
Interesting, why? Then I shouldn't get lynched before I got nuked!
the evidence against you was overwhelming.
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On July 18 2012 04:35 Kurumi wrote: Anyway I propose Kurumi lynch. I am dying as town anyway, so that sucks. If RoL flips town, then we have two towns dead. If we kill another town.. 3 towns dead day 1. Lynch me. Please. This is the best thing you can do. Best case - RoL is scum. Worst case, I am town and so RoL is. proposing a no lynch. no need fot further explanation. current debate about sandros role: Not only the wrong point of time, but also: On July 18 2012 04:48 syllogism wrote: It's exactly the kind of role I would expect to be in this setup. You know basically nothing about the setup other than the fact the fact town:mafia ratio is extremely abnormal and the immediate conclusion you draw is that this role is too powerful to be town? Why is your focus on the fact that mafia has limited communication instead of there being one mafia for every 2 townies? What exactly would mafia sandroba's motivation here be? Do you think he is CEO or how exactly do you think he communicated with kurumi? | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I can tell by the way you shot a nuke at RoL before he posted. maybe Kurumi is some kind of jester. That would explain his desire to get lynched -_- last post from me regarding kurumi btw. he's not longer existing. | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Do you think Layabout is scum? If so, why aren't you voting him with me, your strongest town-read? what do you think about risk.nuke? | ||
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§ 1 The good guys Sadly I have to tell you that I won't be around for the lynch, so i want to make sure, i do my best to prevent you from screwing up even if i am not around to babysit the lynchprocedure. :D This leads me to my first important point: I really hope WBG and Sandroba will be around when the lynch happens, it's like 6 hours earlier in their timezone, so it will be around midnight for them (correct me if i am wrong) when the lynch happens. I really think you guys should listen to them, reasoning: these guys know how to play this game and know how to reason their decisions well. They won't attempt to do crazy shit, because if something bad happens, we can actually blame them, unlike many others, who don't make any sense at all and their failure is neither a scum, nor a towntell. Moreover both of them have been really active and I agree with most of their opinions so far. § 2 The Lynchtarget and more about the good guys Now the more important part. I think austin is a solid lynch today. I. At first some thoughts and additions to a good post: On July 18 2012 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote: 1. First of all, sandro's probably the laziest scum I've ever played with. Unless he's magically become so good at playing mafia, the chance of him being scum right now is next to 0. 2. I've already shown that it is in the interest of scum and not town to seek a full roleclaim from sandro. It's also obviously in the interest of mafia to kill sandro right now, and it's in the interest of mafia to undermine sandro so that the damage is minimized. The first thing is actually a thing that austin may not know. But it's simply true. Based on this knowledge the second point is extremely logic. if you start to wifoming around someone who claimed a role and catched scum, at some point he will look suspicious in the eyes of an unexperienced mafiaplayer. But if you look at the facts, sandroba is, if he catched scum with kurumi, town MVP right now. Noone else catched scum so far. he's not confirmed whatsoever and I already pointed out, that setupwise there is still a possibility that sandroba is scum. But this possibility is the only thing what stands between his status as townMVP and confirmedtown-townMVP. The assumption that the very existance of this possibility leads to the conclusion that sandroba is scum, is just bullshit. sum-up: attacking sandro rigt now is bad play. Experience shows us that bad players =/= scum. therefor some more evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=119148 II. He starts of with a post discussing general stuff. Long post, no paragraphs, many ()()() this text is the exact kind of text i've seen often times from scumplayers. They feel good if they produce a big text at the start, because they feel that they need to do something. III. The screwup: On July 17 2012 23:37 austinmcc wrote: Good lord you guys post too much. Read through, need to look closer at the syllo and BH stuff, but first I want to ask this: Does anyone actually know what sandroba's power is?I want sandroba to reveal his role. He seems sure that mafia is going to kill him so there's no harm in revealing. 1-shot? 1 message per half cycle? 1 message per cycle? Please reveal more about your actual power, sandroba, because it's not sitting well with me right now. More than anything else in the thread, I'm curious about this. What happened between this post and his meaningless policypost. Answer: he didn't follow the game in detail (scum is lazy but many townies get used to that bad habit, too) Now he felt like he needs to do something. But scumhunt as scum? Nooo: You really don't want your teammates to get lynched, so why not go for the guy who claimed and look like you're busy helping the town with this mean roleclaimer. On July 17 2012 23:40 austinmcc wrote: No thanks, I'd like to contribute. You're not at all curious about the magical power that out-ed you? That's actually funny: he says, he's curious about the power. I believe him. What I don't believe is, that he's also curious about the alignment. Woa, while I am writing this I can now see it much clearer what bothers me about his crusade against sandroba. He doesn't say that he thinks sandroba is scum, or maybe scum. He doesn't even bring up that sandroba may be bussing kurumi. As scum that's not interesting for him. All he knows is that roleclaiming is usually considered as scummy and he sees his chance here to appear like someone who is pressuring scummy people, but he really isn't. Hah! I am pretty confident now, that austin is scum :-P IV. With his following attemps (for example to accuse GGQ) to clear the blame fail in my eyes. Accusing GGQ is easy and the motiveless effort to try to justify the attack on sandroba with this dubious speculations about the immense power of sandrobas role doesn't turn me around. § 3 The alternatives lynch On July 17 2012 06:47 risk.nuke wrote: ##vote kurumi Kurumi looks pretty busted. His first response to the accusation I can't buy. Feels like a poor scum-excuse but a nonexistant townexcuse and his posts after that are aligned with what I would expect from a busted scum. Hi risk. I already pointed out that post. For someone who just realized that scum had been busted, this post is not happy enough. I want to read outbursts of rampant excitement and not this: feels like... i expect this... k... lynch. and I am also okay with MZ and BH. But it's too late for me to give you full reasoning for these guys lol sorry, need to sleep :D zzZzZZzzz | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:15 Probulous wrote: Well given you were on austin you can't really complain. We did try and get a lynch, I swear we did. oh man I woke up like 3 minutes before 7 a.m. and skimmed the thread, tried to get into the voting thread. But because I was super sleepy, i wasn't able to bold my votes with my iphone... but I think I was too late anyways... why is the deadline at 7am btw? i thought it was at 6 am... | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:31 wherebugsgo wrote: every game we've been in together, anyway. lol you remember the couples-game where RoL and Kurumi were together in your scumteam and they just did absolutely nothing? like 3 posts total or something like that :-D ah yes, well it's not optimal, but i am not unhappy about RoLs decision. I mean with kurumi as a sure lynchtarget, we probably wouldn't have been discussing other lynchtargets and stuff in this extend. It sucks that we had a nolynch, but even from a no-lynch we can get a lot of information. we haven't lost this game yet, that's for sure. | ||
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On July 18 2012 14:51 Probulous wrote: Bugs, Supersoft, Foolishness, QBertz. Where were all you guys before the lynch? why dont you just read my filter, before you ask me stupid questions i already answered. really. | ||
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On July 18 2012 22:34 rastaban wrote: Host you mentioned it might be possible to get the deadlines adjusted a little for Euro players. Since this one is started already could we just adjust, starting with the next day post, back 3 hours. I think town would take the 3 less hours gladly if it means we can have more people here for the flip if need be. no wtf. 3 hours earlier is 4 a.m. i sleep somewhere between 1 and 8 a.m. | ||
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On July 18 2012 22:42 Palmar wrote: gonzaw is still 100% scum. So is meapak, and I'm pretty sure by now foolishness is one too. I support that. Kurumi needs to die tonight. | ||
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On July 18 2012 22:49 marvellosity wrote: Hosts already said deadline was being moved to 12am or 1am my time (1 hour later for supersoft then). It's not entirely clear to me which :x 2 a.m. would be terrible for me because I know i'd be awake that additional hour and this would screw up my 6hour sleeprythm. | ||
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On July 19 2012 04:02 supersoft wrote: Kurumi, who messaged you. Tell me now. PLEASE :D | ||
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