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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 23 2012 23:26 GMT
#2921
On July 24 2012 08:04 gonzaw wrote:
I expected someone to answer me by now :/
@Prob: Will you answer what I posted before?

*sigh*

You guys better be right, I don't have a good feeling about this

##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: Palmar


I'm going to the gym now and I think I'll be back right before the deadline.
At the time this was written, Palmar had 17 votes. Zealos had 3. I can understand wanting to lynch someone only if you find them scum. But I can't really understand complaining that nobody will answer why Palmar might have put in effort D2 if he were scum. If you don't find him scummy or don't want to lynch him, don't.

He doesn't need extra consolidation votes, and you're miffed that nobody answered "Why would scum Palmar put in effort D2?" There are any number of reasons, but the answer to that question is pure speculation unless Palmar flips scum and you want to ask him after the game.
Fe fi fo fum.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 23 2012 23:26 GMT
#2922
On July 24 2012 08:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Syllo is fine. If palmar flips town I honestly think there should be some sort of penalty for playing against his wincon.


:/

You're exaggerating in a really really scummy way. Wanna elaborate on that point please?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 23 2012 23:34 GMT
#2923
Remember people, Day 1 only Foolishness knew his two subordinates. Palmar's play is very similar to Foolishness in that both of them softly pushed people who are likely scum and tunnelled those that are likely town. In Day 1 Palmar straight up called Sandroba confirmed scum and then tunnelled Syllo. However, despite Sandroba being "confirmed scum" and Foolishness pushing Syllo like crazy, Palmar opts to constantly soft push MZ. Why?

I think MZ is the other executive and Palmar never knew this. Palmar is smart, he would easily pick up on how MZ was going with the flow on Day 1 but he cannot push him hard because of his vet status he might be an exec. Then suddenly come Day 2, he stops mentioning MZ at all. Why? Well because Foolishness has found a way to let his execs know who their buddy is.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 23 2012 23:55 GMT
#2924
Deadline in 5?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 23 2012 23:57 GMT
#2925
On July 24 2012 08:55 Probulous wrote:
Deadline in 5?

i believe so
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 00:01 GMT
#2926
I hope you guys are right
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
July 24 2012 00:02 GMT
#2927
I just got home from vacation a few minutes ago. Need to figure out everything and count votes.
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Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 24 2012 00:02 GMT
#2928
On July 24 2012 09:01 Mattchew wrote:
I hope you guys are right


Well no one told me why I am wrong (if I am). Why is this?
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 24 2012 00:06 GMT
#2929
Probulous, I'm going to hold you PERSONALLY responsible for this flip. That cool bro?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 00:07 GMT
#2930
On July 24 2012 09:02 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 09:01 Mattchew wrote:
I hope you guys are right


Well no one told me why I am wrong (if I am). Why is this?

Cause honestly I have had a null tell on Palmar and agreed with him throughout this entire game... Also, I was wondering if scum would weed out their high level members for us (killing the town vets first thus if Palmar or syllo or MZ were alive like day 5 or 6, they'd be very very very likely scum... but idk these aren't exactly arguments that counter the case you made and sandroba and syllos reads on palmar
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 24 2012 00:08 GMT
#2931
On July 24 2012 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous, I'm going to hold you PERSONALLY responsible for this flip. That cool bro?


Fine. I stand by my read.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 24 2012 00:09 GMT
#2932
On July 24 2012 09:08 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous, I'm going to hold you PERSONALLY responsible for this flip. That cool bro?


Fine. I stand by my read.


YOU SUCH A BAUS <3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 00:11 GMT
#2933
Prob I find/found it weird that you were unwilling to discuss Katina with me. Usually you and Gonzaw are both extremely longwinded and willing to type out your thoughts on literally anything at anytime. With so many votes on Palmar he was/is set to be lynched and you STILL refused to answer questions about her. There is something different about you this game
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 24 2012 00:14 GMT
#2934
On July 24 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Prob I find/found it weird that you were unwilling to discuss Katina with me. Usually you and Gonzaw are both extremely longwinded and willing to type out your thoughts on literally anything at anytime. With so many votes on Palmar he was/is set to be lynched and you STILL refused to answer questions about her. There is something different about you this game


See Day 1.

I worked like an all mighty bitch to get a lynch of either Gonzaw (my preferred) or BH (backup). By my reads that would be a choice between two scum which explains why it was so hard. My point though is that the no lynch was facilitated because people were allowed to bring in other targets. I was one of them. Take it as lesson learnt.

Palmar is my strongest read and so I have pushed him. If you want to lynch someone else, then explain why my case is wrong and I will consider yours. Until you do that I am not risking a no lynch simply because someone else might be scum. You forget we have less voting power than usual.
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 24 2012 00:15 GMT
#2935
On July 24 2012 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 09:08 Probulous wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Probulous, I'm going to hold you PERSONALLY responsible for this flip. That cool bro?


Fine. I stand by my read.


YOU SUCH A BAUS <3

fixed.

p.s.
have you ever seen me try this hard as scum?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 24 2012 00:17 GMT
#2936
On July 24 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Prob I find/found it weird that you were unwilling to discuss Katina with me. Usually you and Gonzaw are both extremely longwinded and willing to type out your thoughts on literally anything at anytime. With so many votes on Palmar he was/is set to be lynched and you STILL refused to answer questions about her. There is something different about you this game


See Day 1.

I worked like an all mighty bitch to get a lynch of either Gonzaw (my preferred) or BH (backup). By my reads that would be a choice between two scum which explains why it was so hard. My point though is that the no lynch was facilitated because people were allowed to bring in other targets. I was one of them. Take it as lesson learnt.

Palmar is my strongest read and so I have pushed him. If you want to lynch someone else, then explain why my case is wrong and I will consider yours. Until you do that I am not risking a no lynch simply because someone else might be scum. You forget we have less voting power than usual.

well, kinda, considering numbers, but those are just numbers - that's what you mean, right?
also, given my ability as town, we have more votes if i take a scum vote
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 00:18 GMT
#2937
On July 24 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Prob I find/found it weird that you were unwilling to discuss Katina with me. Usually you and Gonzaw are both extremely longwinded and willing to type out your thoughts on literally anything at anytime. With so many votes on Palmar he was/is set to be lynched and you STILL refused to answer questions about her. There is something different about you this game


See Day 1.

I worked like an all mighty bitch to get a lynch of either Gonzaw (my preferred) or BH (backup). By my reads that would be a choice between two scum which explains why it was so hard. My point though is that the no lynch was facilitated because people were allowed to bring in other targets. I was one of them. Take it as lesson learnt.

Palmar is my strongest read and so I have pushed him. If you want to lynch someone else, then explain why my case is wrong and I will consider yours. Until you do that I am not risking a no lynch simply because someone else might be scum. You forget we have less voting power than usual.

Lol you forget that other cases may be as good if not stronger than yours. Didn't you chastise (or atleast allow people to chastise) me for doing the exact same thing to my strongest read Katina? I don't see you revoking my claims in order to push my vote onto Palmar. Why should I do something that you are not willing to do yourself?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 24 2012 00:19 GMT
#2938
On July 24 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote:
you have palmar voting palmar (and zealos)

##vote: Palmar

scum double voter?! jk
you can't vote yourself, i tried to make slooshykins do that already

On July 24 2012 09:18 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote:
On July 24 2012 09:11 Mattchew wrote:
Prob I find/found it weird that you were unwilling to discuss Katina with me. Usually you and Gonzaw are both extremely longwinded and willing to type out your thoughts on literally anything at anytime. With so many votes on Palmar he was/is set to be lynched and you STILL refused to answer questions about her. There is something different about you this game


See Day 1.

I worked like an all mighty bitch to get a lynch of either Gonzaw (my preferred) or BH (backup). By my reads that would be a choice between two scum which explains why it was so hard. My point though is that the no lynch was facilitated because people were allowed to bring in other targets. I was one of them. Take it as lesson learnt.

Palmar is my strongest read and so I have pushed him. If you want to lynch someone else, then explain why my case is wrong and I will consider yours. Until you do that I am not risking a no lynch simply because someone else might be scum. You forget we have less voting power than usual.

Lol you forget that other cases may be as good if not stronger than yours. Didn't you chastise (or atleast allow people to chastise) me for doing the exact same thing to my strongest read Katina? I don't see you revoking my claims in order to push my vote onto Palmar. Why should I do something that you are not willing to do yourself?

...he already answered this; we don' want a no-lynch.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 24 2012 00:20 GMT
#2939
i WAS ok with zealos
i see a better case on him than palmar
i wanted 2 wagons, but town like to sheep
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 24 2012 00:20 GMT
#2940
katina is town tho fmpov
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
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