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supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 23 2012 15:10 GMT
#2841
On July 23 2012 23:33 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 23:16 supersoft wrote:
On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote:
You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless.


the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous


At the time I thought BH was town, and I thought he'd get lynched. I actually meant to pardon him, which is pretty terrible.

Sorry for the shitty play.


it's nothing personal Palmar, it's purely business.

MAN I have such a guilty conscience when I have to lynch one of you guys...
Foolishness already was so sad, that I shot him...
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
July 23 2012 15:11 GMT
#2842
On July 24 2012 00:04 syllogism wrote:
Of course it's important. He can't "grab" the role before the role has flipped, so he is claiming that it was a day action and he took it on day 2 to save BH.

I'm saying it's not important because it was still apparent that BH was going to get lynched. Didn't matter that Kurumi was the D2 lynch, BH almost got lynched D1, nobody had come around and said "Wow I find BH town now." So while he wouldn't have pardoned BH D2, BH was looking like one of the main D3 and beyond candidates.

Actually, has anyone been copycat/mimic before? I was thinking that you'd have to choose a role shortly after a flip. If that's the case, then Palmar (if he's truthful here) would have had to go ahead and grab pardoner for a later BH lynch. If you can choose any dead player's role at any time after their flip (so long as you haven't chosen a role yet), then yeah, the Kurumi wagon would matter because he could have held off on picking up pardoner until the lynch was actually going to occur.
Fe fi fo fum.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 15:11 GMT
#2843
If it was N2 action he could have taken kurumi's America role instead
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
July 23 2012 15:32 GMT
#2844
GGQ had been working in his office for so long, while people piled more and more work upon him every minute, that it had been several days since anyone had last seen him. At last, a brave janitor unlocked the door to GGQ's office and was horrified to find his corpse inside, crushed to death under a vast stack of paperwork.

GGQ the Vanilla Townie has been modkilled.

And so, we find the Sublime.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 23 2012 15:35 GMT
#2845
his greenflip makes sense balancewise.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 23 2012 17:03 GMT
#2846
Okay, just got done reading through the thread. Gonzawa and risk.nuke's behavior towards me confirms they are Mafia in my opinion. Lynching them next would be most advised. I read through their filters and wrote paragraphs on each one (Layabout, risk, gonzaw, Meapak) risk ignores my post probably hoping it will be buried away in the thread until gonzaw made that bad case on me. risk then comes in and tries to get me lynched along with gonzaw and Mattchew. Mattchew has nothing on me, He has been pushing for me since D1 insted of focusing and being helpful to the town.

I read somewhere that I didn't say or vote for Palmar until the wagon started to form on him. That is not true at all, I have been pushing Palmar since D1 and put my vote on him after BH was lynched since he was next on my list to lynch.

It is true that the Mafia are panicking now. (gonzaw's case on me and risk's sheeping along and claiming to not stop until I'm lynchng) I don't believe sloosh's claim and I think that he has a high chance of flipping Mafia. Once Palmar flips then we need to focus our attention on the others. gonzaw, Layabout, Meapak, risk.nuke, sloosh.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 23 2012 17:13 GMT
#2847
Palmar claims scum by claiming a role which, if town, he would have used differently.

Syllo has said it, but I'd like to emphasize: if you aren't voting for Palmar, you're essentially claiming scum and we will lynch you for it regardless of Palmar's flip. We can't afford dissent. Our enemies, they're going to THRIVE on people following their own agenda because that's what they're ALL doing now.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 23 2012 17:34 GMT
#2848
On July 24 2012 02:03 Katina wrote:
I read somewhere that I didn't say or vote for Palmar until the wagon started to form on him. That is not true at all, I have been pushing Palmar since D1 and put my vote on him after BH was lynched since he was next on my list to lynch.


true.

On July 24 2012 02:03 Katina wrote:
It is true that the Mafia are panicking now. (gonzaw's case on me and risk's sheeping along and claiming to not stop until I'm lynchng) I don't believe sloosh's claim and I think that he has a high chance of flipping Mafia. Once Palmar flips then we need to focus our attention on the others. gonzaw, Layabout, Meapak, risk.nuke, sloosh.


also true.

You seem a little nervous though. don't worry young lady we got this.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
July 23 2012 18:05 GMT
#2849
Not nervous, I just don't have a gun to do the convincing for me. Don't worry dear sir, the young lady's got this.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 23 2012 18:10 GMT
#2850
Hard to believe some of these people have to be town, so many distractions in this game
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 23 2012 19:05 GMT
#2851
One at a time. After Palmer we slow the f*** down and reassess. If Palmer flips Executive, town is in a really strong position and we have time.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
July 23 2012 19:21 GMT
#2852
On July 24 2012 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
One at a time. After Palmer we slow the f*** down and reassess. If Palmer flips Executive, town is in a really strong position and we have time.

I couldn't agrre with this more. The chaos we've had makes it hard just to stay updated.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 23 2012 19:39 GMT
#2853
Actually, if Palmar has a power as he claims (a provable one) then he probably won't flip executive. This does not have bearing on whether I want to lynch him or not, only clarifying that I think that it's unlikely that he'll flip executive.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
July 23 2012 20:01 GMT
#2854
Alright, I'm finally home. Can someone tell me succinctly why I'm voting for Palmar?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 23 2012 20:03 GMT
#2855
I am voting Palmar.

I unintentionally saved BH from a day 1 lynch.

Sandroba saying Palmar was the best reason I could find, and I trust that sandroba is smarter than I.

My vote is late and meaningless, but it does help ensure a lynch.

##vote: Palmar
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 23 2012 20:03 GMT
#2856
Because he doesn't care about the game. He only pops in to provide either displeasure or assent with the present target and then pops off...this isn't townPalmar behavior.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
July 23 2012 20:06 GMT
#2857
On July 24 2012 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because he doesn't care about the game. He only pops in to provide either displeasure or assent with the present target and then pops off...this isn't townPalmar behavior.


Alright. I'm gonna trust you/sandroba/syllo/whoever else. My read on him still isn't much away from null, but for someone who knows Palmar better that may be telling in itself
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 23 2012 20:35 GMT
#2858
On July 24 2012 00:03 supersoft wrote:
Okay I am home, let's clean up.

First of all, I want you to explain what really happened this game:
It's always the same, the scumvets and the townvets fight for the townleadership. 2 Townvets, syllogism and sandroba had an insanely strong start.

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2012 18:00 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:43 Blazinghand wrote:
To add to my previous post, which is unreasonably short: That's awfully irresponsible of you, M_Z. Are you FoSing him without calling him scum? Way to take any air whatosever out of your FoS. You're probably worried that you'll be told by your overlords that he's scum with you and you want an excuse not to vote him later.

##unvote
##vote: Meapak_Ziphh

lulz didn't scroll.

So apparently I need to define FoS. Stands for Finger of Suspicion. Gives a heads up to Chez that his current play isn't working and that he needs to change or it's lynch time. When I vote for someone, I want them to die and will work for that unless significant evidence can convince me otherwise. If you just throw votes around like you (and bugs -_-) are doing, they get the air taken out of them. My post was prompted by remembering Chez's previous gambit I saw him play. Either he continues to play scummy and we kill him, or he shapes up and plays nice. Obviously he could still be scum even if he shapes up but it'll be much harder for him to cause chaos if he's playing nice and we catch him later on.

So do you think his play so far is indicative of him being mafia? If so, do you want him to change his behavior or do you want to lynch him? Do you always give people who you think may be mafia "heads up" so they can change their play? Moreover, do you think your "warning" will make him change his play?

Hi sandroba, you around?


On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 14:49 Probulous wrote:
Wow, that was useful...

Ok since no-one seems to want to actually participate, here are some thoughts of mine of the setup.

Aside from trying to kill town, the only thing that binds mafia as a team is their strategy dictated from above. From my reading this is sent during the night. Thus day 2 is going to be crucial. We should be aware of people who change reads for bad reasons or suddenly become active. Basically anyone who suddenly gains direction overnight will be a good target to poke. As for Day 1, I think participation and clarity will be extra useful because mafia now know that they are setting themselves up for difficulties in Day 2 if they pick targets Day 1. People with clear targets are going to have to work harder to change them if a different CEO strategy comes in.

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations.



I knew that they were town from the first couple of posts.
Foolishness and Palmar saw that, too. I know exactly that they saw it because they tried to attack both of them instantly. There is no way, that Palmar honestly thought that syllogism is scum at the end of day1.

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom.


he even tried to pull me on his side. So my first allegation is basically this:

Palmar attacks Syllogism even though he knows that he's town.


Second allegation:
Some people are wondering why we chose Palmar all of a sudden, while I for example was defending him until n2. As you see, I faked it.
+ Show Spoiler +


On July 17 2012 02:43 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:
On July 17 2012 02:36 Mattchew wrote:
CAN SOMEONE READ WHAT I POSTED ON KATINA, AT THE VERY LEAST TO JUST TELL ME IM WRONG

You are wrong. Katina alignment is non conclusive right now. Move on to palmar/mz/bh/syllo/probulus.


ah I corrected that list for you ;-)

*stop going for palmar. All of you. That guy works best if you let him do his job. judge him based on his results not based on his playstyle.

+
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 02:27 Palmar wrote:
Supersoft nailed it. MVP. I'm going to stop playing and start working on a bronze statue of him to erect in my bathroom.


this makes him the most hillarious player so far. We can't afford to lose him.


On July 22 2012 03:01 supersoft wrote:
Town-vets&
26. Palmar town
3. Sandroba town
11. Supersoft town

???-Vets&
6. Foolishness
10. Meapak_Ziphh
16. GGQ
7. VisceraEyes
15. syllogism

Troll
8. Bill Murray
18. Chezinu

dead
25. RebirthofLegend town
19. Kurumi town
13. Wherebugsgo town


yes you do VE.
I devided the playerlist in two parts. in these parts in another 3 parts *4 parts for this part. because 3 of this list are already dead.
There were 13 players on that list. That means about 4 of them are scum. 3 of them are dead and one of them is me.
1 is sandroba and 1 is palmar. 2 of them are troll i cannot possibly read because they never make any sense.

syllogism makes most sense of the 5 remaining players. leaves you, mz, foolish and GGQ
if one of the trolls is scum
and i made one mistake,
2 of you are scum


On July 22 2012 03:40 supersoft wrote:
no wtf are you doing to me. I refiltered palmar and I agree on everything he says except syllogism and katina.


this was extremely fake. Sorry I had to do that, I wanted to lull Palmar into a false sense of security.

On July 22 2012 04:15 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 04:07 Palmar wrote:
On July 22 2012 03:32 supersoft wrote:
ah very well. Palmar do youi have any powers?


Even if I thought revealing my role was beneficial, why would I do it during the night?


maybe i am a vig and i don't want to misfire. :-D


this however was extremely real. I had Palmars kill already typed in several times at n2.

I was suspicious of Palmar right from the start, when he attacked syllo and sandro for no reason. I wanted to see how Palmar plays without pressure and we all saw it:

He was fucking useless.


Third: His roleclaim *facepalm*
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On July 23 2012 23:12 syllogism wrote:
You are right, I think he messed up and forgot that RoL died first, though obviously he can't claim RoL's role as that could be tested immediately. If he gets to choose whose role he takes, there is no way he would take WBG's pardoner role as that's worthless.


the thought that Palmar picks up a pardoner-power when he's town is just ridiculous

LET'S LYNCH THAT SCUM



you guys clearly don't read the thread.

On July 24 2012 05:03 Mattchew wrote:
I am voting Palmar.

I unintentionally saved BH from a day 1 lynch.

Sandroba saying Palmar was the best reason I could find, and I trust that sandroba is smarter than I.

My vote is late and meaningless, but it does help ensure a lynch.

##vote: Palmar


On July 24 2012 05:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2012 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because he doesn't care about the game. He only pops in to provide either displeasure or assent with the present target and then pops off...this isn't townPalmar behavior.


Alright. I'm gonna trust you/sandroba/syllo/whoever else. My read on him still isn't much away from null, but for someone who knows Palmar better that may be telling in itself


because of the similar names and the similar limited abilitys I'll treat you as one person from now on.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
July 23 2012 20:38 GMT
#2859
you're still a douchebag supersoft.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
July 23 2012 20:39 GMT
#2860
because your post there is just as useless as the rest of your posts this game.

you strut around like a big cheese but you're a pointless piece of trash pretending to be something he's not this game. your contributions are pointless and I try to ignore them wherever possible
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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