Newbie Mini Mafia XX

On July 04 2012 16:22 Release wrote:
Since we know that mafia can get heated, let's have some good humor during the day/night 0.

Today, there was a fly in my bathroom pissing me off until it finally fell into the toilet...which felt good. It felt better when i took a piss on it afterwards.

On July 05 2012 19:21 Hapahauli wrote:
Un-FOS JingleHell

As I've taken some time to cool down a bit, I'm growing worried that this thread is going to turn into a giant post-bang between the four most active/reckless players on the thread so far (YourHarry, JingleHell, Release, LazerMonkey, and Me). Such a situation would be extremely harmful to the town and would let the Mafia sit in the shadows while we war over one another. Perhaps we can turn our attention to two suspicious posts by some lurkers in an effort to get them to speak up:

TMG26

His first post is rife with a desire to look helpless, lots of fluff, and indecision (my commentary is bolded).
+ Show Spoiler [First Post] +

When JingleHell replies to TMG26's passive accusation, TMG is apologetic, passive, and does not address the issue (commentary bolded again).
+ Show Spoiler [Response to JingleHell's Defense] +

More fluff/half-hearted accusations.
+ Show Spoiler [Response to Harry] +

Makes another overly diplomatic/indecisive/fluff post that points suspicions to JingleHell and Harry
+ Show Spoiler [Another Diplomatic/Accusatory Post] +

Mackin

I have less of a case on Mackin, but his first post is very very suspicious.
Inaccurate/Bandwagon post on LazerMonkey.
+ Show Spoiler +

His next few posts are comprised of one-liners and fluff:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
Lurkers!: There are two types of lurkers. The ones who doesn't post anything and the sneaky ones, who posts ALOT but nothing of value. The first category could either be bad town play or scum play. But the second category is almost exclusivly scum play. If you are a townie, speak your mind, don't make a super duper long post when you could've said it on just a few lines. Keep it simple. With that being said, post!

On July 06 2012 10:55 Hopeless1der wrote:
I get how my claiming it was a huge case pissed you off and drove you to attack me back, but the issue was still fresh and I didn't want it getting brushed off for being a weak/half-assed read. I don't get how its anti-town to point out things I find suspicious. How else are we supposed to hunt scum if no one makes a read on different people? Do you think you've got all 3 scum locked down already or something? Maybe I should never contradict anyone ever again.

On July 06 2012 20:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
One player who have gotten mostly onnoticed so far is JieXian. His filter is quite short, I suggest you go read it. Half of it contains filler and the other half is crazy bad.
What is this? Stupid disagreement? This is like the strangest post ever. You first decide that all you the originall discussion is just a stupid disagreement, you don't even comment on it. Saying that all discussion before this post(page 10) is about getting people to talk vs how it's useless fluff. is a lie.

You are completely dismissing the case on TMG because he is
1.) new (played two games already)
2.) english is not his mother tongue(can you please show me where you had a hard time understanding what he was saying).
None of these are actually arguments for why TMG is not scum tho.

You then start to put pressure on Mackin out of all players. I don't see how his only few post atm left town burning. Noone even took notice of them untill later. Basically Mackin is a lurker at this point, why focus on him? Also what part of the posting reminds you of mafia behavior?

You are trying to pull the action away from where it really matters and instead point it towards a lurker, an attempt to slow down town progress.

More on Mackin.


I'm not sure if this is a joke, but if it isn't... Bandwagon much?

Overall, this guy has it all. Lurks, tries to kill discussion about scum hunting, WIFOM accusations against lurkers and bandwagoning(assuming he wasn't joking). The only thing that somewhat points towards him being town is that his teammates probebly would be kinda upset with such a bad play and thus told him to step his posting up...

On July 06 2012 14:20 YourHarry wrote:
Hopeless1der is flailing. Kill with fire!

##Vote Hopeless1der

On July 05 2012 21:09 Lazermonkey wrote:
Some good analysis there Hapa. Although I can't really contribute anything on Mackin as his filter is just that long. I only find the first post of him to be intresting tho. I don't agree with my post be contradictory which I have already said a dozen of times. Yes, I did use bad wording but that's about it. Also look at the timing. Basically echoing what Hope had already said at that point. The other posts from him is indeed fluff, which is at best bad town play.

On July 06 2012 20:02 Lazermonkey wrote:
Overall, this guy has it all. Lurks, tries to kill discussion about scum hunting, WIFOM accusations against lurkers and bandwagoning(assuming he wasn't joking). The only thing that somewhat points towards him being town is that his teammates probebly would be kinda upset with such a bad play and thus told him to step his posting up...

On July 07 2012 01:31 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, I will go soon and may or may not be at home at the deadline. I will have my phone tho so I am able to check the thread and swap my vote if that is necessary. I will keep my vote on Jingle as of now, although that may change during the rest of the day. I will also change my vote to most scummy person in case there is a close voting. Here is my wish list for people I want dead:
1. Jingle.
2. JieXian
3. Hope/TMG

On July 07 2012 02:31 JingleHell wrote:


I think you're mixing "case" and "read". Read is just "town vs scum", case is "how it's proven". I've not built some massive thing with piles of evidence, just going off a small subset that screams scum.

On July 07 2012 02:37 Hapahauli wrote:


DAFUQ? Do you honestly believe that Lazer is a better case than Hopeless?



DAFUQ? Jingle and JieXian are better cases than Hopeless? Stop pointing fingers, focus on one read, and build a substantial case.

On July 07 2012 02:59 YourHarry wrote:
BTW, in response to what JieXian said:

Scums would likely make some level of accusations to at least one other scum. This is called bussing. This tendency may be instinctive, but in fact it is somewhat beneficial (for scums) later in the game in case one of the scum flips. So they can say, see I accused him so I am less likely to be scum. Of course, given that many scums do this, the argument is WIFOM. But I would be surprised to find 3 scum team not accusing or referencing each other on purpose for the first 15 pages of the game.

On July 07 2012 03:00 Hapahauli wrote:
JieXian, I'm just going to focus on the last part of your post because it contains most of your argument.



Most of your case assumes that Mackin and YourHarry are fellow scum, and that Lazer is scum because of his pattern of defense. Its worth saying that I could change those two names other players and use your logic to incriminate every other active poster in this game. Hell, you could build a case against me if you change your suspected scum list around right.

Also, I was the first to draw attention to Mackin and I wasn't attacked by Lazer. Your second point is just wrong. But do you know who attacked me after I brought attention to TMG and Mackin? Hopeless did. Lynch Hopeless1der

Lazer's at the top of my townie list atm. He's been incredibly uninhibited, posting all his reads, generating discussion, and calling out less-active players. This is as pro-town as you can get!

On July 07 2012 03:05 YourHarry wrote:


So you are saying we made superficial accusations to each other but not actual attempt to bandwagon each other?

On July 07 2012 03:14 YourHarry wrote:



I think one of the misconception is that scums would attack everyone. Where as towns may change their mind and post their changing reads in uninhibited manner, scums are always awry that people will suspect them of acting scummy. In my experience at least, scums tend to pick a target or two and tunnel. Unless definitive consensus builds on their initial target, they stay with the target.

In reality, it is super difficult to try to find scums from written texts that can have been modified and edited for perfection before being posted. There is no wavering tone of voice or wandering and intimidated eye contact to base your scum reads on. At least, for me, I change my reads all the time. For example, I was relatively sure Hopeless1 was scum but now I think he's probably town. I am bringing up this point to say that Lazer's attacking everyone does not mean he's scum. Also, despite Hopeless's long defense post made me think he's town, his attacking one person in this game does not necessarily make him obvious townie.

On July 07 2012 23:35 Evulrabbitz wrote:


I'm sorry I don't understand this. Please elaborate.

On July 08 2012 00:04 Evulrabbitz wrote:
If you're mafia but not Lazer: If you did a last minute vote to save hopeless and Lazer and he flips townie you'll probably be lynched next. The logical choice is to bus.


Would the logical choice really be me? Wouldn't it be the one who pushed the case?

That's like saying if Hopeless turned townie the logical choice would be to lynch me and not Hapa(who pushed the case against him)

On July 07 2012 23:26 JieXian wrote:
Hapa, Jingle's emotional FUCK YOU posts in this game were exactly like what he'd post in the mafia QT so I have some serious BOTD on him. However I know that while being emotional, he's also smart so I can never be too sure.

On July 08 2012 00:55 Evulrabbitz wrote:


As I interpreted it, you claim that if I would've voted for Lazermonkey, which would lead to the death of him, and he flips green; I would have been the next logical lynch.

Is that what you meant?

On July 08 2012 01:13 Evulrabbitz wrote:
Before I start adding to my previous posts this night I want you to clearly state what you meant, since I obviously interpreted your post in a manner which was not intended.

On July 08 2012 02:53 Hapahauli wrote:


Oh wow I completely misread his tone. GG sir, thanks for pointing that out. God that's my bad.

However, I still believe that statement to be scummy for other reasons. He says that in scarcasm, then promptly goes and starts throwing suspicions about two prolific posters - lazer and me.

In addition, the rest of my case still stands.

On July 08 2012 19:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Just caught up to what has happened. This game seems to be pretty much over, as i don't think that 1 mafia can win against 9 town. Imo, mafia should give up.

I know i said that more would come on the monkey before, but im not sure it is necesary now. If people still wants it, i can write it, otherwise it would just be a waste of time.

On July 08 2012 22:12 Evulrabbitz wrote:
About Zen_Man asking if 3styla will replace Khorrus. That is totally innocent. In one of Khorrus first posts he says he needs replacement and completely random at like page 13 or so 3styla posts "/in". Zen_Man then asks if that was the replacement.

On July 08 2012 20:43 BassInSpace wrote:
Even if the godfather is dead, his case doesn't become invalid just because he thought Hapa was the godfather. I just disagree with his case for reasons stated above.

On July 08 2012 21:19 BassInSpace wrote:
There was no need to tell him to shut up though...

On July 09 2012 08:12 Release wrote:
i say Evul (the DT) should declare who he will investigate (at beginning of night) and the medic( who will remain unknown) should protect that target, so we at least get a guaranteed reliable check.

I spent all of 1 minute thinking this plan up so if any objection, please declare

On July 10 2012 03:38 The_Zen_Man wrote:
JieXian, if i was lying, you could just lynch me d3 if mafia didnt kill me. That way, if i survive n2, you would know i am lying.

On July 11 2012 13:59 JieXian wrote:
Before going I can't help but to say

Evul that was an idiotic move investigating Bass