Saying you're wrong and saying we're unconvinced are two entirely different things. Why the excessive defense of Lazer, exactly?

You call it a bandwagon, even though it seems to be multiple people who have decided that he's at best unintentionally divisive, and at worst scum.

Either way, if he gets lynched, he won't be missed, as he's not going to help the town win in either case.

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 19:44 GMT

#327

Oh, and might I add, that if all of the "cases" you've made, and seemed really convinced of for a short chunk of time were correct, the town would have lost as soon as role PMs went out, as we would have been outnumbered by scum D1.

You've been casting your net as widely as possible, directing suspicion at almost everyone for a short period of time. It's only as we've gotten closer to the deadline that you suddenly became intensely convinced Hopeless was pure scum, and focused on him.

Also, you accuse everyone else of bandwagoning, but you want people you haven't convinced to jump on the bandwagon of your case. I don't buy it. You're Lazer's scumbuddy, most likely.

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 19:54 GMT

#330

If you missed what I already said about Hopeless, or aren't interested in my current guesses based off of meta, that's up to you. But until/unless my meta guesses are proven wrong by a flip in his other game, I'm unconvinced. I can't help it if you aren't reading enough to have seen what I said, and I can't make you buy in to it, but to suggest that I haven't answered that is outright fallacious.

Of course, I'd expect nothing more from someone who spent a fair amount of energy buying into Lazer's nonexistent case against me. I'm not entirely convinced you two aren't working together, perhaps in a scum QT?

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 20:09 GMT

#333

Uhm, You haven't "proven" anything, you've just provided anecdotal and circumstancial evidence. The same thing I'm using to say I'm not feeling scum out of him at the moment.

I am, however, getting an "actively useless or active scum" vibe out of lazer. I get that in the best case, you want to be the hero by swaying everyone over, but it's not working. Deal with it. Add to your case, or consider other people as well. You didn't seem to have a problem considering almost everyone else earlier in the game... back when there was more chaos and less votes on Lazer...

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 20:25 GMT

#336

On July 07 2012 05:21 Hapahauli wrote:

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All mafia accusations are based on anecdotal and circumstantial evidence. Do you want me to hack his account and take a SS of his role PM or something?

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So you're going to pursue a case over "feeling" rather than logic and proof?

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You've been babbling on and on about how my case is unconvincing and haven't analyzed it at all. Your criticisms (such as the bit about it being based on circumstantial evidence - LOL) are laughable generalizations. Post something useful.

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Well no shit - I didn't defend lazer when no one was bandwagonning on him. Duh?

You contradicted yourself all over the place, all in the name of getting people to dive on the hopeless bandwagon. Also, just because I haven't gone through and provided a play-by-play of my personal opinions, cluttering up the thread, doesn't mean I haven't looked at the case.

Oh, the two underlined bits contradict eachother. Just so they're more visible for snickering.

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 20:38 GMT

#338

Well, I could either clutter up the thread by breaking down every individual point of yours that I don't find particularly compelling, which I'm sure scum would love, since chaos and distraction are their tactics, or I could trust that people will read through and decide for themselves, because if they aren't doing that, whether they agree with me or not, we're doomed to lose to the scum.

I should think that votes can stand for themselves when the lynch is decided. Unless you have some real, solid information you're not sharing (It's D1, so only scum do), then you're just guessing, like everyone else, based on WIFOM. Don't be offended that other people disagree with you.

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 20:48 GMT

#340

On July 07 2012 05:43 Hapahauli wrote:

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Posting analysis is pro-scum behavior. Uh-huh.
If you believe Hopeless to be innocent, break down my case and convince me he's innocent.

I already told you why, and why, unlike you, I don't require other people to justify my existence.

And providing endless clutter that's not going to change anyone's mind, be particularly relevant, or prove a damn thing... yeah, that's pro scum. And since you're trying to convince me to do it, it's backing up my belief that you may well be Lazer's scumbuddy.

If hopeless gets lynched and I'm proven right with a green flip, I'm going to do my best to see to it that you and Lazer are next. I'm through with this conversation.

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 21:11 GMT

#344

On July 07 2012 06:08 YourHarry wrote:
I have a theory that I don't want to talk about at the moment. But I think it's a BAD idea to lynch lazermonkey

Well, I have a vote that I don't want to change without a good reason, so we might just have a stalemate if you aren't willing to talk.

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 21:26 GMT

#348

Nah. Although you did just give him an excuse. A blue role shouldn't be that violently in the spotlight, and frankly, I wouldn't believe a word of it at this point anyways.

If he is town, he's actively dangerous, for the reasons I've already outlined, and I'm still unconvinced he's town. That advice was just hopelessly generic effort to grab early town cred, followed by an epileptic accusation spree.

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 21:50 GMT

#352

How about a little bet, Hapahauli. If Lazer flips Red, we lynch you tomorrow for your (getting ridiculous) defense of him.

If he flips town, lynch me.

JingleHell

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July 06 2012 22:00 GMT

#354

On July 07 2012 06:57 Hapahauli wrote:
If Lazer flips town, I promise I'll lynch you next. If people come to their senses and Hopeless gets lynched/flips red, I'll also lynch you. How does that sound?

Your "bet" suggestion adds to the laundry list of anti-town mentality quotes you've made over the past few hours.

Oh, being willing to stand behind my reads is somehow scummy? And you insisting that no matter what happens, you think I'm the scummiest read, just because I don't agree with your omniscience.

And, of course, you sidestep the chance to stand behind your "reads". I wonder why...

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

July 06 2012 22:03 GMT

#355

By the way, my mom had a minor skin surgery type thing earlier, so we're going to take food over there, probably be there a bit.

I'll see you on the other side of the deadline.

JingleHell

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July 07 2012 01:09 GMT

#369

I'm curious, release, how you get me and Lazer as scum at the same time?

JingleHell

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July 07 2012 01:16 GMT

#371

On July 07 2012 10:13 Release wrote:
you two seem awfully pretentious and deceitful, but i didn't see that Hopeless hasn't posted shit since the acusation (probably scared of slipping.)

He's set to be lynched. Sounds defeated to me.

I'm mostly wondering how you could see me and Lazer being on the same side, when I'm a heavy part of the drive behind the votes on him. Which almost saved hopeless. Now if hopeless flips red, which I doubt, I could see me looking bad, but if he flips green, I'm looking at Hapa, who was overly defending Lazer by pushing hopeless.

JingleHell

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July 07 2012 01:18 GMT

#373

Oh, am I going to die at the end of the night for it, Hapa? I would expect you to be in a position to know. Hell, if Hopeless flips green, you're a bigger target than Lazer, because looking like you want to save someone who isn't scum could easily be a scum tactic to push a second mislynch, if things were townie vs townie.

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

July 07 2012 01:19 GMT

#376

Well, tsk tsk. I'm probably doomed, nicely set up, hopeless. My green ass will probably be joining you in the afterlife soon.

JingleHell

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July 07 2012 01:20 GMT

#377

Go ahead, Hapa, target me, I couldn't give a shit less. I made a bad read on hopeless. Enjoy losing a townie vote, but you're not going to get much satisfaction out of me. I'll only answer things worth my time.

JingleHell

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July 07 2012 01:23 GMT

#379

And by worth my time, I mean I'm not going to bother responding to anything to do with my misread of hopeless. We all know about it, so save yourself typing and leave it out of any post you want me to respond to.

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

July 07 2012 01:26 GMT

#382

On July 07 2012 10:24 Hapahauli wrote:
My case has nothing to do with your misread. Hell, I couldn't give two shits about your misread. My case is based off your scum-slips and anti-town mentality, and there's no shortage of evidence.

FOS JingleHell

I eagerly anticipate you beating yourself over the head with the WIFOM bat straight into a mislynch.

JingleHell

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July 07 2012 01:31 GMT

#385

It's better to do it at night, since he can't know if we have a medic/roleblocker of some kind. He's already a potential target, and if he ends up dead, he's left behind his cases.