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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 15:15 GMT
#383
Ah. You are right. Let me go look at VE and come back with some thoughts.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 15:34 GMT
#384
Null on VE. Prplhz's read is "this player plays better than this as town, and since his play level isn't as high as I thought he is scum" - which is alignment-null. He did it against me too.

In any case I still got that gut feel (and its stronger than before) on Sinensis. And what I said to prplhz can be said of you too marv. You haven't yet said anything (meaningful) of Sinensis.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 15:45 GMT
#386
Doesn't make a difference. Either alignment can do that. I'm pretty unfazed by blue roles / claims (I've lead the lynch on two before). Look at his actions, and see if he is scum or town.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 16:39 GMT
#390
Thank you marv.

I'm been trying to figure out how to built a case on tonality / whatever it is I'm using. So I'll just bullet point things to keep in mind when reading thread / filter.

- His hardline defense of prplhz. HARD.
On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote:
Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL."

In an atmosphere where most of the vocal townies were expressing a desire to lynch prplhz, he hardline defends him. During this he calls us an "angry mob" and also hedges a backout option. Yet he admits that prplhz really isn't worth defending according to his current game play. There is a contradiction in word and action. He wants to be seen opposing the prplhz lynch yet he deems prplhz worth lynching up to that point.

- His general tone of condescension and misinterpretation
On July 07 2012 13:01 Sinensis wrote:
These people saying I'm too mechanical... what? You want me to post hilarious one liners and memes like others? Maybe someone could host a mafia pictionary edition where no one can post more than one image and one line of text at a time. We could call it 4chan mafia. Maybe I should use less capitalization and punctuation to help fit in.

I understand being criticized for lurking, but being "too mechanical?" For my posts being well thought out, really? There are actually people bashing me for that?

He is acting out really defensively but does so in a condescending anti-town manner. No one was bashing him, no one was critiquing him because his posts were well thought out. He is slinging mud around.

- He spends his energies on meaningless things to feign activity
Note the Zephirdd exchange: against a player he thinks is scummy he seems to think that changing his mind is a good action to pursue. Note his exchange with me, where he accuses me of ??? I address it here. He is conjuring up suspicions and flailing when pushed to explain them.

Doesn't actually use these things for scumhunting. For Zephirdd, he called him scummy before the exchange, and with me, he ignores everything said and done to address prplhz.

I think this is a solid D1 lynch.
##Vote Sinensis (for emphasis, my vote was already on him)
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 17:56 GMT
#392
I like Zeph. I don't think he is maliciously misinterpreting posts, if his suspicions on you are what you are getting at.

On that note 3 people are on the table for a nice vig lurker shot. I highly recommend that they step it up.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 18:21 GMT
#394
Dangeresque, what do you think of the current prplhz situation?

VE, thoughts on dangeresque and bluelightz?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 18:29 GMT
#396
Current thoughts on your friend?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 20:40 GMT
#402
Barring Sinensis, I would have considered prplhz for a D1 lynch too. Are you comfortable with the current lynch as is or do you feel like prplhz should be a stronger contender (i.e. D1 rather than D2)?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 21:17 GMT
#404
drwiggl3s and VE, I'm particularly waiting for you guys.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 21:18 GMT
#405
and we got like 4.7 hrs left.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 22:35 GMT
#424
I am here and fine with drwiggl3s
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 07 2012 22:53 GMT
#432
##Unvote
##Vote:drwiggl3s


Gotchya.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 08 2012 01:12 GMT
#442
Well to be fair, explicit evidence against drwiggl3s hasn't really been presented in thread. It's more of

person 1:"hey what do you think of him?"
person 2: (after personally looking at filter etc) "yea I'd lynch him"
person 3: "me too"

Objectively, if the thread was the only thing you could access than the Sinensis case is more well built. However, outside (of thread) info in the form of people's reads on Sinensis and drwiggl3s has played a factor (the former plays weird, the latter isn't playing like his town self).

The basis of why right now its drwiggl3s over Sinensis is b/c several people are feeling iffy on the basis of Sinensis' meta and unwilling to vote him.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 08 2012 01:14 GMT
#443
On July 08 2012 10:11 MsZontar wrote:
Im not sure...

##Vote: Sinensis

How about some transparency here?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 08 2012 01:28 GMT
#444
bah ... buyer's remorse is kicking in ...

NSH can you assuage my concerns?
Why exactly is drwiggl3s the optimal lynch over Sinensis in this situation? Are they not equally good?
Do you not think that this wiggl3s wagon even more quickly than Sinensis (which I would argue was not quick at all since I've been prodding it from start of D1)?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 08 2012 03:08 GMT
#452
I dunno man. I dunno. I just hope someone gets a shot off on MsZontar so we don't have this problem tomorrow.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 08 2012 04:54 GMT
#458
Well if Sinensis is stubborn town, and prplhz is weirdo town, then D1 was wild goose chase, and therefore scum probably played lazy / lurkeresque style, making sure to fit in but not really needing to put in any effort. Thereby you could probably find them among the pile of players who didn't really push town a certain direction.

Would you guys agree with this assessment?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 08 2012 21:35 GMT
#482
Yea I'm in the same boat as Zeph and prplhz. I'd lynch VE tomorrow.

The idea behind finding scum in middle of wagons is that they aren't as likely to start cases as townies are, but also want to be seen blending in with town. A decent heuristic that is strengthened by the fact that VE hasn't been taking hard stances.

Wanting to lynch prplhz means nothing - it comes near end of day where switches are dangerous and unlikely, and there is no accountability (since he won't hang, you won't get the flak from a mislynch flip).

His prplhz vote doesn't make any sense either. The only post made was when prplhz blamed people for making him out himself as cop. Well from a scum perspective it doesn't really make sense to draw attention back onto yourself when everyone else has somewhat accepted your claim. And for someone so keen on perspectives how he can neglect it against prplhz yet turn around and use the same reasoning against Sinensis, the inconsisteny reveals that there is an agenda behind his posts.

MrZentor also good lynch. His involvement with the Sinensis lynch makes no sense, especially with his post when he decries town switching over to drwiggl3s. Never did he actually contribute to the lynch (other then saying "hey this post is weird", but anyone can do that) or push for it. Also has ungrounded confidence in his reads.

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 08 2012 21:38 GMT
#483
Also they fit into the heuristic of lazy / complacent scum.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 09 2012 00:37 GMT
#501
How do you guys read Zentor?
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