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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 14 2012 11:22 GMT
#1083
Who gives a shit what any of you are?

The only person alive I have respect for how they played is Zephirdd, so well played to you whether you are town or mafia.

The rest of you sat on your asses doing jack shit for the last 48 hours.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 14 2012 14:32 GMT
#1085
The problem is when you're scummy as shit all game, every game, Zentor, it's hard to trust anything you say, ever.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 14 2012 14:34 GMT
#1087
Ideas probably put through a mafia mindset as likely as not.

That's why you shitting around earlier in the game making stupid lists of 3 names and refusing to answer my questions, that's why that stuff is harmful.

Because by later in the game I'm policy ignoring you for either being scum or town who doesn't even know why he bloody posts the things he posts.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 14 2012 14:43 GMT
#1089
I did no such thing. I voted wiggles like many others day 1 and then I wanted to save VE day 2 but slOosh made me hammer him.

Obviously the slOosh lynch was a big mistake in hindsight.

I'm not saying I played ok, clearly I didn't. But if you're town then you need to make posts that are going to make people trust what you say. Instead you litter the scummy shit in with your reads and so I/people don't want to listen to you.

That's why it's frustrating, because you clearly have decent reads sometimes, but what's the point if no-one ever trusts you?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 14 2012 14:55 GMT
#1091
I just told you why...

you do things like make lists of 3 names, with no explanation, that you "can't remember why" a couple of days later.

You say Sinensis is scummy but when I ask you about it you for some reason refuse to answer me repeatedly. My question to you was 100% valid, because at first he was cautious and mechanical, but then he changed, but you never provided a reason why he was still scum, you just said his change in behaviour was "extremely scummy"

There's no reasonable town motivation to do either the random list you can't explain, nor is there a motivation to not explain your scumread to the rest of town without me having to threaten you for it. That's why people don't trust you...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 14 2012 15:01 GMT
#1093
On July 14 2012 23:58 MrZentor wrote:
There were tons of cases against Sinensis, and I was directing you toward those to find why he's scummy. Why should I have to make my own case?


Because for me to trust your motivations on why Sinensis is scum, I/town need to hear from you why Sinensis is scum.

Otherwise the whole game devolves into maybe two people make a case on a couple of people and everyone says "I agree with x" or "I agree with y". Then you have no information about absolutely anyone, no information about the way they think. I already know why others find him scummy, I don't know why you in particular do, what in the other cases you agree with most, what it is that really makes you think he's scum.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 15 2012 11:04 GMT
#1134
On July 15 2012 11:40 Zephirdd wrote:
1. Marvellosity
You worked the hardest. You should've listened to me on the VE/MrZentor shit tho T_T Especially to you, the last few posts from VE should be evidence that he was town. This was your biggest mistake IMO.

To be honest, even without the vig shot, I'd never think of you as scum all game long. Confirming yourself was insanely good though. Well done. Not much else to say really. Maybe don't doubt your MrZentor lynch like that?

2. NoSmurfHere(wbg?)
Vanilla claim was great LOL. It actually worked into catching bluelightz. I don't know why we didn't push him more, and instead opted for his target day 1.
Overall, I don't remember doubting your innocence and felt you were a good day 1 shot target(along with me and marv).

3. slOosh
When you say you'll do something, do it goddamnit. Like voting Zentor when we ask.
You also gotta agree your case on me was terrible. The reason is simple: I didn't give space for a good case come at me. You became paranoid when I started tunneling you, and I think you should revise that.
Your earlier posts also looked a bit shady; On MSMM, you were very different. That's why we all had so much suspicion on you.

6. Dangeresque77
Somehow, I feel that instaclaim on JK was the correct thing to do. I hate the lack of breadcrumbs, but instaclaiming right after I claim the rb was good because this is a mini and there was another confirmed town.

However, you lacked on your vanilla department. Your scumhunting was sub-par, and most of the time you were only sheeping marv and me. Doubt everything, and play for yourself. Don't leave the game on the hands of the others, especially when you are semi-confirmed.

8. Sinensis
When you are town, don't overthink your posts. That gives us mechanical posts that resemble a lot of a cautious scum.

You were vanilla, you didn't had to be shy. You did a good job pissing me off day 1 though; and I admit it gave me some ideas for some cool plays. Still, you sheeped too much and put too little pressure into the scum team. These are some things worth mentioning

10. VE
I'm sorry
This is how it worked for me. I thought you were town. Then I realized you were always in the middle of the voters. Then I remembered that (useless) text I read about voters.
Then I made some suspicion on you, thought you were scum, but your reactions made me realize you actually were town.

To be honest, purely defending yourself is bad. When you are under pressure, you gotta show you are town not only by defending yourself, but by showing you can find scum. You didn't show much of scumhunting day 1 either.

You improved from MSMM though, and that's awesome. Much better to play with you here.

11. MsZontar
Next time your brother doesn't help you with the game, call him scum please.
Post more, be more active. Forum mafia is very different from live mafia as in it requires a lot more activity and you can't just go "I'm not sure ##vote".

Hopefully you get these things right in the future :D

12. drwiggl3s
The lynch on you was bad. I was away at the time and couldn't fight against it. Well, I'm not sure how I'd react though.
Day 1 lynches are always a pain though so there isn't much I can talk about here ;x

The Aberrants
MrZentor
I KNEW YOU WERE FUCKING SCUM SADGASFDHSDFHKJAHDJKFGASKJDGHDF well played sir. At various points, I was thinking "wait, I think I'm wrong" and I thought you were town by the endgame.

I'm glad my case on you was objectively correct though, helps me hunt moar :D

prplhz
BALLS. Claiming cop day 1? Fuck you. Why didn't I question that. I had you, but you came back with some emotional bullshit and a cop claim? I mean, that's a prime example of an excellent use of TL mafia meta, when we had so many mislynches by bullshit lately. Congratulations.

Bluelightz
I had a lot of doubts on you, but I thought all the time "He is always a big question mark so I can't read him". I can't believe it took me so long to realize you were scum. Well played sir.

Overall, scum team successfully raped town.
I feel ashamed to let the day 1 stuff pass by that way.

Anyways, GGWP scum. Deserve a mention on mafia awards.


Zephirdd - it was a pleasure playing with you, you really stepped up your town game from how I remembered it (perhaps unfairly?). I hope to play as town along with you again soon.

The irony is that prplhz was our first case and then Zentor was our first majority on day 2.

Should have stuck with our instincts early...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 15 2012 14:20 GMT
#1136
I do not wish to be scored. rofl.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 15 2012 16:28 GMT
#1144
On July 16 2012 00:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
sigh.
I'll be doing it again, but I'll be lynched for it.

Thx GM.


I think you came quite close. The problem is I pick up on inconsistencies really easily but inconsistencies =/= scum, and you tend to make them. It's something I have a really really hard time with because I tend to make very few myself.

We really should have lynched prplhz day 1 with bugs, you, me, and Zeph all after him.

And then Zentor had a suicide wish taking me on day 2. Not going to take suicide/aggressiveness as a 'scum wouldn't do that' defence anymore.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 15 2012 21:56 GMT
#1152
shit yes. Thanks to the hosts of course (>.< manners!)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 16 2012 12:42 GMT
#1155
On July 16 2012 12:39 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 00:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
sigh.
I'll be doing it again, but I'll be lynched for it.

Thx GM.


I thought you pulled it off nicely. It was probably inevitable that you would get lynched once for acting differently, but like it really was a huge difference in your style and defintely better for town.


The thing that really struck me as odd during this game was the way in which town shifted off lynching mafia so quickly. No one in mafia really was considered very townie yet all of them were able to cover for each other.


Happened in a couple of games recently. "this lynch is too easy/fast" especially. Learnt that this is a terribad reason. prplhz was right earlier. I let myself (and, by extension, the rest of town) get moved off Zentor by leaving myself open to it and one single post from prplhz. Obvious in hindsight.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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