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On July 05 2012 23:51 HomerunBat wrote:iGrok, you have done nothing this game to earn the right to call the shots. I'm going to repost this, so it doesn't get buried. Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 21:10 Mister Saturn wrote:
Anyway, I still think Talismania might be scum. However I'm fine with pushing risen (I'll have to see what hiro thinks before we change our actions) since he might be scum (although I don't think he is, i still think his explosion at the start seemed townish) and since I still think you might be scum who is only just now trying the "bwahaha, I planned it all along I was playing scummy on purpose to see how people react" gambit. How in the fuck is this not our push target for today?iGrok and Cephiro, you are both wrong on Risen. I want to ask you exactly what has he been fighting for for the past little bit? He is all-out fighting to switch the kill order from grush->risen->Mr. S to grush->Mr. S->risen? Why? He knows he's dead if Mr.S flips town anyway. Do the tone of his posts really suggest he is fighting extra hard to die a little bit later, or is it more likely that he is town and is honestly pissed that he is going to be killed for no reason? Scum in this situation do what Mr. S is doing: clam up. Also, I've said before to go look at TL Mafia LI. I'm not just saying that for my health. You may not love meta, but go look at that game and tell me you don't see a lot of the same stuff there as here. Look as well at how Risen has been addressing grush. What kind of scum, in an attempt to save a teammate, first announces that said teammate is 'confirmed town,' announces he will be late vote switching, and then after the fact says SORRY BRO I TRIED. You can call that WIFOM if you want, but I don't. The simplest explanation there is that they are not teammates. I want to hear from dedede and Talis. I want you both to consider what I said and ##push Mr. Saturn. iGrok and Cephiro, same thing. I want us all to push Mr. Saturn today, and have Cephiro blow his shit up on N2.
Oh, I'm sorry, finding an endgame solution doesn't qualify me to call the shots. Right. My bad.
Honestly its 6 of one, half-a-dozen of the other. If Ceph says he'll shoot Saturn tonight, I'm fine with pushing him first and lynching Risen D3. Like I said, it doesn't matter which of [grush, Risen, Saturn] are scum, because two of them are and we can kill them all and there isn't anything they can do about it.
Risen's being a complete ass, spamming 4 posts in a row, getting really mad, etc. Honestly at this point I'm tuning everything he says out, so idk which he sounds like more. But, it doesn't matter.
GG, I won the game, scum plz surrender already.
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It doesn't matter if I die because no matter which combination of [grush,risen,saturn] is scum, we still win.
This is also why I don't care what order we kill people in. I suggested Risen first because I had a slightly stronger read on him, but I really don't care what the order is. As long as town does fuck this up (HRB, I'm looking at you), we can't lose.
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And no, I'm not "dead today no matter what".
I'm not going to be lynched.
I'm not going to be pushed.
I'm not going to try to get an item.
The earliest I can be killed is tonight, and thats only if scum shoots me.
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And then Ceph gets to snipe you tonight (since you take the .5 from me dying)
Honestly even that doesn't bother me.
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I need to know if you're going to shoot Saturn tonight. If so, we push him. If not, we kill Riven and I sacrifice myself in a blaze of glory
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HRB you keep whining that we should push Saturn first to kill him first, so since it doesn't fucking matter I'm talking to ceph to make sure he understands it.
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I don't believe for a second that Risen pushed himself.
So HRB/Tali can you please push Risen so we can be sure
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On July 06 2012 04:07 Mister Saturn wrote:
If iGrok truly believed that the two scum were between grush,Risen, and me, he would know that it doesn't matter one bit whether Cephiro shoots me tonight or not. It would be a town win regardless.
On July 05 2012 21:08 iGrok wrote:
But it's ok since the game is over as long as town doesn't go full derp mode
On July 05 2012 21:34 iGrok wrote:
I'm willing to take that risk. Town will still have a 4-2 advantage.
On July 05 2012 23:18 iGrok wrote:
Because the game has been solved even with the contingency that Saturn is scum, I'm not really worried about anything you do here.
On July 06 2012 00:01 iGrok wrote:
it doesn't matter which of [grush, Risen, Saturn] are scum, because two of them are and we can kill them all and there isn't anything they can do about it..
On July 06 2012 02:39 iGrok wrote:
It doesn't matter if I die because no matter which combination of [grush,risen,saturn] is scum, we still win.
This is also why I don't care what order we kill people in.
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I've seen enough towns derp away a sure victory that I want to be sure.
Especially since you (Hiro) seem insistent on mucking about in thread.
S&B is playing with a level head, while you still seem to have your panties in a wad because I made you lose a stock. Bring S&B back, he's frankly better than you despite putting in (what seems like) less effort.
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So just to clarify as I'm throwing myself away, Hiro who are your two scumreads?
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On July 06 2012 04:31 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 04:27 iGrok wrote:
So just to clarify as I'm throwing myself away, Hiro who are your two scumreads? You and talismania. And yes I do believe that you are scum killing yourself. It wouldn't be the first time.
I expect an apology from you in 2.5 hours.
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and S&B who is your other read?
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On July 06 2012 04:56 talismania wrote:
they think it's me + you, iGrok. But that should be disproven when risen/you and grush flips.
Hiro thinks its me and you. IDK about S&B
As an aside, thats why i dislike hydras
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Saturn, will you be voting for grush tonight?
Assume for the moment that I flip town and Risen flips something.
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Yeah, I don't like hydras because I can't fault you for having inconsistent reads. Its really frustrating to play against someone with a built-in excuse for contradictions.
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Tali starts out with similar reads to my own, including ones I hadn't made public. So, he starts off on the right foot. Volunteering to sit out is weird, but its something that a townie who is trying to do as little damage as possible would do. Then he creates a spreadsheet to track everyone's accusations. This is an easy thing for scum to do for credit, but it also hurts scum because they can't ever contradict themselves. Since I'm already leaning town, its a pro-town move. And finally, he nails it on the head that grush shot cephiro instead of one of the people he (grush) said was scum. All these things combined say he's town. He's not taking a leadership role this game, but thats fine - too many leaders can fuck towns over.
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On July 06 2012 05:41 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 05:31 iGrok wrote:
Tali starts out with similar reads to my own, including ones I hadn't made public. So, he starts off on the right foot. Volunteering to sit out is weird, but its something that a townie who is trying to do as little damage as possible would do. Then he creates a spreadsheet to track everyone's accusations. This is an easy thing for scum to do for credit, but it also hurts scum because they can't ever contradict themselves. Since I'm already leaning town, its a pro-town move. And finally, he nails it on the head that grush shot cephiro instead of one of the people he (grush) said was scum. All these things combined say he's town. He's not taking a leadership role this game, but thats fine - too many leaders can fuck towns over. Hmm, is he buddying tali so when he flips scum tali is safe bc he's buddying him? Too wifom I guess. Just don't let this affect your reads on tali people. (I'm assuming igrok flips scum. If he's town disregard previous statement.)
Look! He's almost there. So close to covering all the possibilities of his theory! If only he could reach a little farther!
I also like how I'm no longer positively flipping scum, I'm just something.
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Whatever baby, I'll meet you in hell in an hour!
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Alright guys, so I'm about to die with Risen. Don't feel bad for me though, town has this game locked up. I only ask that you be sure that my death is not in vain. Lynch Grush tonight. And remember, if Risen flips town, murder the ever-loving hell out of Saturn, who is clearly a communist and a threat to FREEDOM. I know I've played like Palmar this game, but don't fail me.
Saturn and Risen, I expect an apology.
I only regret that I have but one life to give for my Town.
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Hiro you are really bad at smurfing lol
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