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So then like I don't understand the thought process that would make grush claim the hit if he was scum. If he was scum he would know that the "normal" scum hit and his own shot were on Cephiro, so when he sees that Risen is down 2 stock, why the hell would he claim a shot? Why not just make everyone consider the possibility of a second captain falcon. Why incriminate yourself by claiming the shot. Unless he totally didn't consider the possiblity of a bus driver and just assumed that saying he shot Cephiro who didn't take any stock loss would make himself confirmed town..... - Hiro | ||
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i'm probably gonna vote to push talismania. And @risen: the problem is i think he could have done more damage to town if he hadn't revealed that he was the yoshi, that would be like a super double-think scum move. I guess its possible though. | ||
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On July 05 2012 20:55 iGrok wrote: The Reasoning behind everything When I got my role, I decided to play like Palmar. I would lead the town Day1, be balls-to-the-wall aggressive, and force scum into slipping that way. I don't really play this style ever, but I wanted to try it out. To start off, Town needed some information to work with. Not a full massclaim, but something to keep D1 from being a random lynch. That's why I asked everyone to claim if they got their first choice. If we learned anything by doing this, the rest of the town roles (kirbys, yoshis, Ness, DK). As it turned out, this confirmed Saturn and Cephiro to be samuses, not because Grush claimed not-first pick, but because they confirmed it. This also means that grush was telling the truth, which as scum he shouldn't want to in that situation. dedede's claim was really unexpected but I like it, as long as there was Town KP they'd draw the shot before a busdriver. Ceph and Saturn don't have to be one scum, but it was very likely. So I picked one of them to carry. Gut feeling said Saturn was scum, so I carried him Then we needed a way to deal with items and locations. By making one person each night pick, I'd be able to learn their motives, and by going first I would see who tried to do anti-town things instead. The first list was literally running down the order. Then I decided to change things up a bit. I pulled out Risen and sat out Tali. Risen had posted a total of 1 times, so I sat him out. And I felt like Tali was sheeping me a little because his reads were similar, so I sat him as well. Then Risen exploded, and that fight was... revealing. At the time, to me he felt like a dumb townie more than scum, but he got a Grey box (I use Green, Red, and Gray shades to mark people - Gray means somethings not right but I don't get a strong scum vibe) Unfortunately, I derped on my own location, but this was almost ok because it generated a fight that revealed something about Saturn. Saturn hates me and plans on shooting me, yet doesn't try to lynch me. This is a huge red flag, and solidified my scum read on him. I still felt that one of Ceph and Saturn were scum. So, rather than lynch into them, I figured that we could let scum tell us. I wanted to wait on my reads until the next day to see who they shot, and then go after the other as scum. There was a small chance that neither was, but I'm basically playing a game of probabilities. I wanted something to work with on each player. That's why I suggested lynching lurkers. I already had reads on the non-lurkers, but I needed something to work with on Grush and Tali to find the remaining scum. And it seemed to work pretty well, as voting for them got them typing and lynching grush gave us something to work with. Imagine if we hadn't found out grush was a Falcon. You think he would have claimed the shot? With his activity record? I don't think so. Honestly, what happened last night is obvious. Scum1 and Scum2 (grush) shot cephiro as a town kp that most people agreed was town. Thankfully, dedede bussed ceph out of the way, and Risen got shot instead. Unfortunately, this means I'm also down to 1/2 kp damage. So the remaining question is who is the last scum? The answer is not quite that simple. Its either Risen or Mr.Saturn. The fact that Saturn said he would shoot me but didn't try to lynch me. Yeah, he voted for me but there was 0 pressure behind it. Saturn's behavior is incredibly scummy. And yet, he isn't who we should lynch or push. Assuming that all scum are included in the set of [grush, Risen, Saturn], town has this game won by tomorrow. We push Risen. This kills him. It will also kill me, but I'm ok with that as long as town doesn't derp. Odds are he flips scum, but Regardless of Risn's Flip, we lynch grush, who we know is scum. This kills grush. So now, 2/3 scum candidates are gone. Finally, if Risen wasn't scum, Ceph can shoot Saturn at night, and lynch him the next day (or somehow do .5 damage to him). This is how you win and cover all your bases. Again, sorry this is late, I crashed after the 4th of July party last night. ##Push: Risen ##Vote: Grush bro this is kind of believable, i'll have to ask hiro what he thinks about it though. when you say that we wanted to shoot you but not lynch you I'm not sure whether you're referring to: (A) hiro when he was on tilt for w/e reason after you picked us up, who was basically like "argh fuck this shit argh i want igrok to die but i'm too mad to try and persuade anyone that i'm right" (B) me saying we should kill you with vig hits so the busdriver could protect us. I now know that this would not work since bus drivers don't protect from donkey kongs but whatever there was a good reason there why shots would have been better than lynches. Anyway, I still think Talismania might be scum. However I'm fine with pushing risen (I'll have to see what hiro thinks before we change our actions) since he might be scum (although I don't think he is, i still think his explosion at the start seemed townish) and since I still think you might be scum who is only just now trying the "bwahaha, I planned it all along I was playing scummy on purpose to see how people react" gambit. Why do you think risen is more likely scum than talismania? Also I get that your whole thing up there is based on your reads of peoples' reactions to your scummyness but it's worth pointing out that you don't tell us why you have changed your mind to think risen is scum now rather than derping town, and you also haven't said anything about me and hiro except "we wanted you to die but didn't push your lynch enough". | ||
Mister Saturn
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I don't believe iGrok's statement, but he's willing to die along with Risen, so it doesn't really matter at this point. If he's scum and doing this, he probably realizes that with only 0.5 stock left, he's dying pretty soon no matter what he says. Pushing Risen will kill iGrok too, so I'm fine with that. If neither of them is scum, the scum team is talis and HrB (I have a town read on dedede, so ceph is town too). If risen, it's grush; if iGrok, it's talismania. I find it really hard to believe that a scum grush would claim the shot like that. So I'm thinking that the scum team is talismania and iGrok right now. The fact that talismania is the only person other than me who is actually considering that grush might not be scum only bolsters that belief. I'll be going item:top left and pushing Risen. Yea, I'm pushing someone I'm leaning town on. Think whatever you will; I don't care. At this point, I just want iGrok dead and this will do it. - Hiro | ||
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I think grush just happened to shoot the same person as scum. I just don't see why scum grush would claim. | ||
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On July 06 2012 00:01 iGrok wrote: GG, I won the game, scum plz surrender already. As wise man Drazerk once said, the people who say this are almost always scum. - Hiro | ||
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On July 06 2012 02:23 Risen wrote: Then who's the scum team? Igrok or homerun and tali? Igrok's play doesn't make sense as scum (doesn't make sense as town either, though) Yea, I think it's iGrok and talis. If somehow it's not iGrok, it's HomerunBat. | ||
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On July 06 2012 02:30 HomerunBat wrote: also I really liked the "you're just bad" defense Sadly that's the only thing I can say to bad players like you, who see everything I do and go "oh he's scum for that". | ||
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And at this point I know you're just trying to intentionally irritate me. | ||
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On July 06 2012 04:19 iGrok wrote: I've seen enough towns derp away a sure victory that I want to be sure. Especially since you (Hiro) seem insistent on mucking about in thread. S&B is playing with a level head, while you still seem to have your panties in a wad because I made you lose a stock. Bring S&B back, he's frankly better than you despite putting in (what seems like) less effort. Oh lol. You and I both know that it's not about the stock loss. But w/e, you're dying. | ||
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On July 06 2012 04:48 iGrok wrote: and S&B who is your other read? you or grush ATM im a little less sure about you than i was before your "hey wait guys i actually do give a fuck" post but it's too easy for scum to say that to come back from being found out or whatever so i'm not feeling giving you a free "actually he's town after all" pass. I think risen is probably town but he could be scum i thought cephiro might be scum for KP balance reasons but grush could be that also | ||
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i mean, ideally we would discuss with each other what our reads are and what we should do about them, i've just been really shitty about that since i just moved to freakin' europe and have to work like twelve hours a day now i actually think the best kind of hydra is the secret one where you pretend you're just a smurf or whatever and not a hydra at all, but that wasn't really an option this time since everyone knew we would be a hydra | ||
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