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Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 01:00 GMT
#509
Do you not think HomerunBat is scum anymore, Risen?

- Hiro
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 01:01 GMT
#510
EBWOP:

You don't think HomerunBat is scum anymore, Risen?
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 08:46 GMT
#518
On July 04 2012 16:56 HomerunBat wrote:
I've been reading past games for like 5 hours, writing shit and deleting it. Pretty horrible night all things considered!

Tali-
I did come up with some things that I value pretty highly, and one is some insight on Talismania. Acro had mentioned that in his past games with him, Talis came off as extremely town, and fast too.

Without knowing anything about his meta, I really thought it was odd how a large portion of his filter was posts about really random junk that pertained to the game, but didn't really help us with our wincon.

Reading Bastard Mafia 2 has me strongly leaning scum. Go have a look.
click me!

He is bold, fearless. He puts on the town leader hat right from his first post. He calls people out, pursues reads aggressively. Compare that to how he plays here. Extremely passive.

Acro, I know you were thinking this earlier. Do you still feel the same way?
Tali, what's the deal man? Who is scum? Why aren't you pursuing them? The way you are spending your time right now looks way scummy.


-s0L



Someone using meta and I actually don't hate it!!!

No, but in seriousness, talismania is scum. I played with him when he was scum (Pick Your Poison) and when he was town (Bastard 2) and the talismania in this game is really not doing anything.

In this game, talismania has spent almost all of his time doing two useless things: speculating about the way the game has been balanced and creating an useless spreadsheet.

The first one is pointless simply because no one has actually flipped. talismania knows better than to waste his time thinking about that stuff without the important info that you need.

It should be fairly obvious why the second thing is useless; it's essentially like just tallying the votes in the thread. It's a summary of what has already happened; it doesn't require any personal analysis or thinking.

I think Acro mentioned earlier that he found tali's reaction to being in the lead to be lynched townie. This is not really a good way to think. Not only are reactions one of the easiest things to fake if you have some experience (it's the actions and reads/cases that matter), but in a game like this where a lynch doesn't even kill a person, it's essentially meaningless. Not to mention the fact I'm not even sure what Acro really thinks a scummy reaction to being lynched would be (beyond the stupid stuff that newbie scum do).

- Hiro
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 08:50 GMT
#519
lol, Acro ninjaing me.
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 09:36 GMT
#521
So are we supposed to send you our votes for who to push now?
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 09:37 GMT
#522
-sandb
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Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 16:38 GMT
#529
On July 05 2012 01:33 talismania wrote:
welp I am town so sorry to disappoint Hiro.

@homerunbat I had the benefit of being bold and fearless in bastard 2 because I was a dayvig and had a clear plan of action with that ability. I executed the plan well and shot scum day one. Not only that but there was a lie detector check (of sorts) on me. So I played really freely the rest of that game.

I'm kind of liking being the center of attention in this game though. At the moment I consider acrofales/kingdedede almost certainly town. If he were scum he wouldn't have publicly changed his mind about me. Shouldn't have anyway - I would be a great candidate for one of the lynches tomorrow given that I was second in votes today. And I think acrofales would have especially wanted me gone if he were scum given that I just finished playing a long game with him.

The same sort of goes for Cephiro although it's a bit weaker. He publicly stated he did NOT want me lynched yesterday. That's strange behavior if he were scum. Like, say grush and I are both town (and I think there's a decent chance he is). Grush is always going to be there as an easy-ish vote to push for scum. But getting damage on me day 1? That's a great opportunity because I'm an active and thorough player and most people here know that. It could be that cephiro made his ranking thing and wanted to stick with it though, in which case there's still the chance he was scum so I'm not ruling him out entirely.

This certainly does not apply to Mister Saturn / HiroPro. Both Hiro and S&B know I play actively and that I don't miss much of anything that happens in the thread. After Hiro flailed around a bit trying to latch onto a target I think he was glad to find me. And his certainty in pushing me is consistent with scum behavior. Still can't figure out who the partner is which admittedly is rather troubling. I was tempted to say Homerunbat because of his recent post about me but that doesn't really make sense given that hiro at one point was voting for him without resistance. Also, the fact that ShiaoPi switched the vote from me to grush isn't consistent with that either. I can't think of a really solid reason in general that scum would want grush dead over me. Maybe if scum were afraid that grush might have falcon, knowing that he went for samus first? I guess that's a possibility, but doesn't really make too much sense given that lynches don't kill outright.

_______________


Call to action:

this is an 8-person game. To expand on what acro is asking for, everyone should be posting their reads of everyone else, at least once a cycle. In a thirty person game this sort of thing is cumbersome, but in a game this small it is essential. It forces scum to talk about themselves and everyone else, the more we make scum lie the better, yadda yadda. I'll keep compiling people's reads and such in the spreadsheet/document as they happen.



ugh bro just ugh
the "everyone post your reads on everyone" plan is just as antitown as it was in bastard 2 where it was just as antitown as it was in ace's game (bang bang 2 I think) the first time you proposed it

it lets scum blend in, we can gain a lot of valuable information from who does and doesn't post about who etcetera

we don't want to create some framework with established criteria for being townie or not being townie. That just gives scum a "how to be townie" guide.
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 16:38 GMT
#530
-strongandbig
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Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 16:39 GMT
#531
like if you want certain players to be more active so you can get reads on them then call them out! be like "yo fool defend your scum reads" or whatever. Don't just be like "hey yall lets post more okaaaaay?" That will not result in us finding scum.
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:13 GMT
#539
No I don't grush shot Risen.

- Hiro
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:13 GMT
#541
EBWOP: I don't think grush shot Risen.
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:18 GMT
#556
You're a captain falcon, aren't you talismania?
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Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:19 GMT
#558
oh wow lol it really was a bus driver
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Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:24 GMT
#563
On July 05 2012 07:17 talismania wrote:
well shit I was just thinking maybe risen was mister saturn's partner.

grush why did you shoot risen?



I know you're not this bad.
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:31 GMT
#572
Sorry, I just got annoyed.

If you're going to lava push me, I don't really care at this point. You can go ahead. I think dedede is town and that means grush is probably scum. I'll be be interested in what iGrok has to say.

It's July 4th, so I won't be around today.

##Vote grush57
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Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:32 GMT
#573
-Hiro
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:34 GMT
#576
This is pretty hilarious though. I had exactly one town read yesterday (other than me), and now I can actually start thinking properly about scum.

- Hiro
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:38 GMT
#580
Yea, I already sent them in, but I can always change them.

- Hiro
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Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#582
On July 05 2012 07:31 Mister Saturn wrote:
Sorry, I just got annoyed.

If you're going to lava push me, I don't really care at this point. You can go ahead. I think dedede is town and that means grush is probably scum. I'll be be interested in what iGrok has to say.

It's July 4th, so I won't be around today.

##Vote grush57


ugh bro so dumb just ugh

Even if hiro doesnt care i do we're town so don't push us.

idk what is up with all this depression going on from hiro

but anyway like I told hiro, right now I think talismania and igrok are probably scum.

I feel like igrok should have posted something by now?

I think risen is probably town so i'd rather not push him. It's also super dumb to push risen because we think grush is scum and risen might be a scumbuddy like talis seems to believe; go for one scum at a time, don't try to find hypothetical scumteams based on connections with people you don't even know are scum yet. If we think grush is scum then we should push grush.

Personally I think grush has a pretty good chance of being scum, since he's definitely not on the "wow that guy is playing super townie" side of the ledger.

So I would support pushing / lynching grush, talismania, or igrok at this point.

Also - proposal - how about we combo lynch/push the same person so we actually have a chance of seeing a flip sometime in the next century?

One last thing - normally i don't like asking people to reveal town reads but dedede you've already said you think cephiro is town. Would you mind telling me why? I had a pretty null read on him so far except for some setup speculation which made me think either he's scum or a captainfalcon is scum.

-strongandbig
mmaaawww
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 04 2012 22:46 GMT
#583
also that was a pretty sick effective bus drive imo.
mmaaawww
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