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Back.
I'm not exactly fond of Homerunbat's play, as he seems to be trying to avoid pissing anyone off. Or that's how it looks like to me. Of course one can just be very polite by nature, but the way he words what he says doesn't sound very natural to me.
He keeps up a discussion with Saturn, where he originally has Saturn as one of his scumreads.
Afterward he agrees on lynching talismania fairly easily, but based on what? The larger post of him earlier doesn't cover enough reasoning to do that imo. His other choice I can't criticize because I admit that I wouldn't mind seeing our useless lurker lose some stock if that's the only way to get him talking.
Rank: 6
Risen needs to die, seriously. He was bashing on iGrok's plan without proper reasoning (he accused iGrok's plan of being bad due to losing town stock, and about lack of information, but his own plan was worse in BOTH areas.)
And what are his scumreads? The people who agreed with iGrok or defended him. Brilliant play if I say so myself. The way he jumps at Homerunbat after he defends iGrok's play makes me cry. He also clearly buddies with Saturn and tries to control his actions (and even succeeds to get Saturn to vote for the bat.)
Rank: 8
##Vote: Risen
Grush is useless. Literally. He comes in, keeps changing his votes constantly and doesn't contribute at all. I just can't see a townie do this, and if he somehow is town, he needs to be waken up. A prime target for night actions that cause stock loss, or a lynch if you won't lynch Risen today.
Rank: 7
talismania, you need to stop trying to crunch the setup and base your play on your meta-game against the host, you need to start playing the game the way it's supposed to be played and deciding your reads based on the actions of others. If you're not going to step up your play asap, I will push you for lynch.
Rank: 4
My thoughts on dedede+Saturn to follow. I don't believe that I need to add more about my opinion on iGrok (Rank: 2), he's my strongest townread but he has to stop the retarded derping around. So please, concentrate and prove me I'm not wrong about you.
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On July 04 2012 05:47 Risen wrote:
EBWOP: What am I thinking? I'll lynch tali. Just realized he has me down as being slightly scummy for no reason.
##unvote
##vote: talismania
OMGUS of the best kind.
since it got buried, you have read the spreadsheet wrong. I have you down as town.
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Vatican City State155 Posts
lol, a public spreadsheet.
s&b is in Switzerland. I dunno when he'll be back. I haven't been able to talk to him since role-picking 
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V-V-V-V-V-V-VOTE COUNT
1 FOR Mister Saturn (talismania)
4 FOR Talismania (grush57, kingdedede, Mister Saturn, Risen)
2 FOR GRUSH57 (Homerunbat, iGrok)
WITH 8 ALIVE IT TAKES 5 TO LYNCH SOMEONE. POSSIBLE PIKACHUS ARE NOT DEALT WITH YET, SO THE VOTES MIGHT ACTUALLY END UP BEING MORE THAN THEY'RE DISPLAYED HERE.
DEADLINE IS STILL 22:30 GMT (+00:00) AS ALWAYS. GET YOUR VOTES IN.
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well it's only public to the people that have read the thread and seen the link.
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On July 04 2012 05:49 talismania wrote:
I have you down as town. you may be reading it backwards.
I am.
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EBWOP: I should have reddened the text on Risen. He is my strongest scumread currently.
Lower rank = Better.
Ranking is based on the order I want people to lose stock in. This means that I may lean more scum on someone above Grush, but at the moment he is so useless and I have absolutely no read on him that I wouldn't mind seeing him lose some if it's the only way we'll get him to talk. If it goes to a MYLO/LYLO-situation I don't want him around since it's absolutely impossible to determine which alignment he is.
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Vatican City State155 Posts
What are the ranks? How much you want to lynch them 1-10?
- Hiro
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Okay quite a lot happened while I was busy.
Looks like talis is going to eat the lynch today. I am okay with it. He has been in the same category as grush to me (albeit not that lurky) and solstice has repeatedly voiced his concern on him so:
##unvote
##Vote: Talismania
This should hopefully secure the lynch on him.
Now onto reevaluating people:
iGrok: Has been largely a nulltell for me a while, while solstice did tend townie on him. We would tend to read him as scummy now. His behaviour after the item/stage events has been largely disruptive. And taking a closer look at his filter, yields some interesting aspects:
-Pegging people as scum with close to zero reasononing
-Prodding people about roles
-The decision to carry Saturn: This has been really controversial. It was clear that Saturn was Samus and after reading through Saturn's filter in the timeframe in which iGrok has claimed to made his decision I found nothing in regards of Scummy behaviour, which would have led to the decision iGrok took.
-when asked about reads, he is vague or sheeping other people's opinions. Always referring to the future if asked about his reads.
-Also wtf is this?
On July 04 2012 05:13 iGrok wrote:Oh wait, I forgot that this is the only way people can follow my thoughts: 492764207374696c6c20726174686572206c796e63682067727573682e2049747320676f696e6720746f20626520696d706f737369626c6520746f2067657420616e7920696e666f726d6174696f6e206f7574206f662068696d2e20526561642068697320706173742067616d65732c206e6f7468696e6720627574206f6e656c696e657273207468652077686f6c652074696d652e
Conclusively I would be happy to lynch iGrok wouldn't he carry Samus right now, this would bring Saturn down to 0.5Stock and probably dead by mafia hands come the night (yes I have a townread on him). Furthermore with the way the votes accumalted and the proximity to deadline, I don't think we can make a switch happen.
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EBWOP2: Toad you missed my vote!
If necessary I will move my vote from Risen to grush, but I do not agree with lynching talismania yet.
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EBWOP3: Ranks are ranging from 1-8 (amount of players)
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HBR, just because I don't tell you my reasoning doesn't mean I don't have any.
This might help:http://www.string-functions.com/hex-string.aspx
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Well, why are you so adamant about not sharing it then?
-Shiao
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Homerunbat I'm reading that you think iGrok is scum where before he was town, and mister saturn is town where before he was scum, is that correct? Might just be solstice's opinions and shiaopi's I guess.
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On July 04 2012 05:49 Cephiro wrote:
Back.
I'm not exactly fond of Homerunbat's play, as he seems to be trying to avoid pissing anyone off. Or that's how it looks like to me. Of course one can just be very polite by nature, but the way he words what he says doesn't sound very natural to me.
He keeps up a discussion with Saturn, where he originally has Saturn as one of his scumreads.
Afterward he agrees on lynching talismania fairly easily, but based on what? The larger post of him earlier doesn't cover enough reasoning to do that imo. His other choice I can't criticize because I admit that I wouldn't mind seeing our useless lurker lose some stock if that's the only way to get him talking.
Rank: 6
Risen needs to die, seriously. He was bashing on iGrok's plan without proper reasoning (he accused iGrok's plan of being bad due to losing town stock, and about lack of information, but his own plan was worse in BOTH areas.)
And what are his scumreads? The people who agreed with iGrok or defended him. Brilliant play if I say so myself. The way he jumps at Homerunbat after he defends iGrok's play makes me cry. He also clearly buddies with Saturn and tries to control his actions (and even succeeds to get Saturn to vote for the bat.)
Rank: 8
##Vote: Risen
Grush is useless. Literally. He comes in, keeps changing his votes constantly and doesn't contribute at all. I just can't see a townie do this, and if he somehow is town, he needs to be waken up. A prime target for night actions that cause stock loss, or a lynch if you won't lynch Risen today.
Rank: 7
talismania, you need to stop trying to crunch the setup and base your play on your meta-game against the host, you need to start playing the game the way it's supposed to be played and deciding your reads based on the actions of others. If you're not going to step up your play asap, I will push you for lynch.
Rank: 4
My thoughts on dedede+Saturn to follow. I don't believe that I need to add more about my opinion on iGrok (Rank: 2), he's my strongest townread but he has to stop the retarded derping around. So please, concentrate and prove me I'm not wrong about you.
Don't hide your vote like that or the mods won't be able to see it.
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iGrok is now a scumread. He was town for solstice earlier and nulltell to me but given his behaviour since item/stage events we both believe him to be scum now.
I had a slight townread on Saturn, while solstice tended scum, right now we are both tending town on him
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Posting this while writing up as I'm still re-reading Saturns & dedede's filters:
##Vote: Risen
Now if they miss it I'll be damned. ~50 minutes till lynch right?
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homerun earlier you said you don't understand saturn's decision to shoot igrok. Why is this? How can you not understand that having someone carry you, causing you to lose stock as a result, and then refusing to explaion as justification?
If I was Saturn I'd have raised fifty thousand hells to lynch iGrok.
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