EPTFirst game on TL. Actually first post ever. I've played mafia for years IRL and on irc though, so I'm pretty familiar with the basics.
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Keirathi
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First game on TL. Actually first post ever. I've played mafia for years IRL and on irc though, so I'm pretty familiar with the basics. | ||
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He can't prove it. If there's one thing I've learned from the internet, its that you NEVER fess up to anything. | ||
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Intentional, or freudian scumtell? The world may never know. | ||
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On June 24 2012 13:05 Blazinghand wrote: I have no idea what you're talking about. Of course, Mr. Corleone. | ||
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On June 24 2012 23:37 JieXian wrote: wth Keirathi if you've played over 10000 games what are you doing in the newbies' game? I didn't say *I* have played over 10,000 games, although I have played probably 1000-2000. But IRC Mafia is fairly different from forum mafia, and I mentioned when I /in'd that I had played IRL and IRC mafia a fair amount in the past. | ||
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On June 25 2012 11:20 Release wrote: ##vote Hopeless1der I think Mafia is a very intricate game, and to say Lynch those who do not tell the truth is retarded. The Mafia knows the truth about the town. Townies know nothing (or very little). So in your scenario, the Mafia would never get lynched because in theory, they could always tell the truth. On the other hand, a honest and earnest townie may be pouring his heart into a case on another townie (calling him scum) and he is not telling the truth. That townie would get caught in a lie and would therefore deserve to die, in your opinion. I believe that we should be honest, because as a townie, we have no way of knowing if we are telling the truth or not. FOS: Release I don't see any situation where our infestation of evil (Mafia) can get out of this situation without lying. They can bend truths and suggest things that seem scummy, but in the end, they know who they are and who we are and will have to tell some lies or, at the very least, half truths. Making a case that someone is scum isn't lying, assuming you are town and you have some kind of reasoning that drew you to that conclusion. Being wrong != lying. Now, with all that said, your flawed logic isn't the reason for my suspicion towards you. Fast voting someone who has an argument with you is no way to catch the perps. If you honestly think someone disagreeing with your initial logic (which in this case was actually a disagreeing logic to *ANOTHER* person), then you're just asking to lynch innocent people because they have different ideas than you. | ||
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Getting all read to bandwagon someone who had a policy idea that you didn't agree with less than 2 hours intot he game will when you no friends, no matter how much discussion it spawned. Your post with the ##Vote line = good discussion. Your post with the ##Vote line = mind boggling. | ||
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As far as "friends", its way too early to know who I can trust. Need to hear some input from other people, but for now, yes you are my leading candidate. I 100% feel that your vote was too premature and has no reasonable explanation other than "to get the ball rolling", which is a terrible reason to vote. It accomplishes nothing other than to put a vote on someone who has a 75% chance of being a townie for the SOLE REASON that he had a good intentioned, albeit impossible, idea for a lynch policy. | ||
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On June 25 2012 13:13 Hopeless1der wrote: And thus we've arrived at the point of my original policy: dishonesty is a move for scum. Townies shouldn't have a reason to lie, at least not a good one. It's hard to imagine a game where someone instantly knows every scum and townie correctly - what would be the point of the game? We're going to have times where we're completely convinced of someones scumminess and manage to flip them as town. It happens, but I'd also rather Mislynch (when you're really really sure) than No-Lynch. No-Lynching basically gives Mafia a free kill while denying us a chance to get rid of someone, at the very least someone that is not necessarily scum but definitely not helping the town. Only if such a person can not be found would I actively pursue a No-Lynch. @Release: I pretty much agree with your stance on 'honesty'. Hence I moved on to Mis vs No Lynches I completely disagree with your first point, and mildly disagree with your second. There are definitely situations where dishonesty as a townie can win you the game. If you don't believe this is true, then I can list examples later, but I assure you that it is. As far as the second point, there are situations where No-Lynching is the correct choice, i.e. when lynching a townie then mafia night kill would lose the game, but if you no-lynch then mafia gets their night kill, you still have another day to play (and with better odds). Also depending on available roles (and more importantly what roles have been claimed with legitimate rationale), that no-lynching is a good solution. But I agree with you that no-lynching just for the sake of not taking a chance is silly. | ||
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On June 25 2012 13:44 Release wrote: You do realize that i can change my vote right? Shocking... + Show Spoiler + I know... Of course I realize that. Changing your vote later doesn't change the fact that you voted this time for no logical reason however. | ||
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On June 25 2012 23:52 Release wrote: If yourself and vivax found that confusing, doesn't that make him Mafia (as opposed to yourselves)? Townies are trying to avoid confusion while mafia try to cause confusion. If you say his reasoning is the reasoning is your reasoning, that's kind of a catch 22 This is the most confusing sentence in this thread, so maybe *YOU'RE* the mafia.  In all seriousness though, i feel like you are putting yourself in the limelight a bit too much on day1 for oyut o be mafia, unless you're just an idiot, which I assume isn't the case. As far as the whole "lynching the blues" comment by Esspen, really boggling. I can't even see how this would create good discussion; 1) you're serious, in which case WORST MAFIA EVER or 2) you're making a joke, people call you out, you say you're joking, people still suspect your motives but move on. I dont feel like anything that has come out of that statement has been useful towards finding whoever the mafia is, so that just makes it more suspicious/boggling. Now: lynch the lurkers. I've played around tis strategy many many times, and while it doesn't always work, it does have some key benefits: 1) a lot of mafia (especially inexperienced ones) are going to try to keep a low profile for a long as they can and 2) people who arent giving input, well, aren't giving input or opinions for others to base anything on, therefor aren't helping town to win. The chance of mafia nightkilling lurkers is exceptionally low, as well, because 1) thats one more person to cast suspicion on, and 2) the lurker isnt going to casting any suspicion on them. So thats my 2cents. Lynch All Lurkers is probably our best plan of action. | ||
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Why would you want to vote me if you're detective and have proof that someone is scum? and 2, despite that, I actually feel inclined to trust the detective claim. There's really not much point tot he claim at that point if you're getting bandwagoned, because if you're wrong about the scum, then you just get lynched the next day, which doesn't really help the mafia out very much. Although, you *COULD* be claiming det and giving up a teamate to appear clean for a while until someone else claims det and we are forced to decide who's lying. | ||
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That's the worst logic I've ever heard. You kill the target the DT claimed as scum, NOT THE DT HIMSELF. That would make no sense at all. Why would you not want more of the DT's info, assuming he is actually the DT? Here's the possible ways this can play out: 1) We lynch Vivax. He flips DT, so we lynch Jester tomorrow and have 1 mafia down. 2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down. 3) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia compatriats kills Vivax tonight. 1 mafia down. 4) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Mafia targets someone else. 1 Mafia down, mild suspicion on Vivax still, at least 1 more night of "investigations". 5) We lynch Jester, hes Mafia. Doc save on Vivax. 1 mafia down, and another night of confirmed investigations. 6) We lynch Jester, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow. It's pretty easy to see that 4 is our BEST CASE SCENARIO. | ||
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But just think about it for a minute; if Vivax *IS* scum, then why would he put me out there as a target to vote, before he was getting bandwagoned? He would gain more in the *LONG RUN* if he had people at the end of the game that seemed scummier than he did. Lynch All Lurkers is a town policy. Lynch *NO* Lurkers is a mafia policy. | ||
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On June 30 2012 01:36 JingleHell wrote: Vivax thought Keirathi was a better target for a vote than me earlier in the day cycle. Vivax fakes roleclaim to support an OMGUS against me. Keirathi jumps in supporting that. And somehow, according to Vivax, the case against HIM is a bandwagon? As far as you, this is a contentless post. Tell me why my logic is wrong. Present a case to me. Don't just accuse me of bandwagoning you. I gave solid evidence and a fully laid out list of why I'm voting for you, yet you did nothing to try to change my mind. Seems like you've already given up. | ||
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On June 30 2012 01:56 BioSC wrote: You are assuming. What!? Are you dense? My list was *EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT CAN HAPPEN* regardless of what roles there are. Okay, actually I missed a couple of possible scenarios. Vivax could be DT, and there could be no doc. The outcome is basically the same as #3. The last possible scenario is that Vivax isnt DT *AND* Jingle isn't Mafia. In which case, Vivax is retardedly dumb, and town ends up losing. Now, for obvious reasons, you can see why I didn't list this one. It makes no sense whatsoever. | ||
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On June 30 2012 02:08 BioSC wrote: Yes. You are making the assumption that Vivax is a DT, and saying its the best path for town. I do not believe Vivax is the DT at all. So how am I dense? You leave out scenarios and call ME dense? Amusing. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it isn't possible. 2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down. 6) We lynch Jingle, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow. Where did I leave out scenarios where Vivax isn't DT? Thats what those look like to me. | ||
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