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Hopeless1der
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Or should we be trying to get analysis on posts we are suspicious of to confirm/deny our reads? (probably superior for learning purposes, but getting a straight answer from other players in this game seems like a pipe dream.) | ||
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I say we root these varmints out and string em right up in the middle of town, just like that VisceraEyes. Now to do this we're gonna need a couple of...'Rules'. I will say that I am a firm believer in the truth. Anyone caught in a lie deserves to die! Who's with me? | ||
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Hopeless1der
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Nevertheless Release's logic should be addressed and I will concede that I committed the same error that he did prior to his EBWOP: equating truth to honesty, which are not the same. Basically if someone decides to flip flop on a decision without some ironclad reasoning, I'm saying lynch the sucker | ||
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I'm saying lynch people that we can collectively agree have been dishonest in something they have said or done. Further discussions on what constitutes 'dishonesty' may follow at a later time, or right now if whoever is reading this should so happen to desire. | ||
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It's hard to imagine a game where someone instantly knows every scum and townie correctly - what would be the point of the game? We're going to have times where we're completely convinced of someones scumminess and manage to flip them as town. It happens, but I'd also rather Mislynch (when you're really really sure) than No-Lynch. No-Lynching basically gives Mafia a free kill while denying us a chance to get rid of someone, at the very least someone that is not necessarily scum but definitely not helping the town. Only if such a person can not be found would I actively pursue a No-Lynch. @Release: I pretty much agree with your stance on 'honesty'. Hence I moved on to Mis vs No Lynches | ||
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On June 25 2012 14:34 Release wrote: So night. I will be less active in the following days (until night 3) for aforementioned reasons. I'm unclear about these 'aforementioned' reasons...oh well. Sleeping now. | ||
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On June 22 2012 10:37 Release wrote: A word of forewarning: I won't be playing/posting as much as i have in previous games because studies got serious. I still have more than an hour a day though. | ||
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On June 25 2012 20:23 Esspen wrote: ... But I believe we should try to identify and lynch blues first, confusing mafia and leaving them vulnerable... Blues are townies as well, yes? In what game would your suggestion be beneficial to the town? Certainly not a newbie game. This is an insane statement to make, regardless of "I wanted to see the reactions." Also, Release hasn't really questioned you except for the whole "OMGUS" as the opening post: On June 25 2012 10:04 Release wrote: Fos: Esspen I don't like your name. Do something about it. Oh noes...Granted Release is attacking just about anyone right now, but that's to get things going. Your statement was ridiculous and right now, I'm suspect you of trying to shift the attention back onto him since he's been so vocal that it makes him an easier target. | ||
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BioSc vs AegonC Im inclined towards BioSc because he has more useless posts, whereas Aegon could just be super inactive | ||
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I don't define lurking as literally not typing anything. That would invoke modkills, just like dNa pointed out. There are other ways to lurk, which I believe you are doing. As a result, you appear most scummy to me out of the available pool of players to choose from. | ||
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Who says I cannot maintain multiple policies. Not enough has been said for me to conclude that anyone has been dishonest. I do not agree with No-Lynch, especially in the early game. Are you not a lurker BioSC? In what way...what have you done that suggests otherwise? (p.s. I know I have to vote in the Vote Thread thread for it to count) | ||
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On June 26 2012 13:03 BioSC wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to make a case on myself for you. If you believe me to be scum, make the case. Look through my filter. I've discussed policy (Hint: I want people to post too) You are voting for me? Why? Am I a lurker? I'm not even sure you know why you are voting for me. We've done and posted about pretty much the same things. So, I bounce the question back to you. What makes me a lurker, a candidate for YOUR policy, over someone who's filter I can quote in 4 lines? + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 03:09 AegonC wrote: /in This is my first mafia game, I believe I am signing up correctly. On June 25 2012 10:22 AegonC wrote: Perhaps the best way to approach this situation is circumspectly, that is to say don't rush into any stupid decisions. I agree with Hopeless1der, truth should be our banner and justice our sigil! Your opening post contains some cliche townie wisdom. Second post defers back to me to elaborate instead of contributing anything further Third explains the rules of the game itself Fourth comments on my suspicions against you, followed again by requesting that I provide all sides of the conversation. I fail to see how you "discussed policy" in those posts. Sweet - you've met both my policies. STRING HIM UP BOYS. Im giving Aegon the BOTD. He hasn't done anything overly suspicious. You have. I have little interest in prolonging this with you BioSC. Should anyone else wish to chime in, I'm all ears. | ||
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On June 26 2012 15:06 BassInSpace wrote: Hopeless1der, you say that policy lynching should be our last resort, but then you post this? You have a FOS on esspen, who you already said you find suspicious for trying to bring attention back to release, but then you ask which of our "prime candidates" out of those 3 we should lynch? If policy lynching really is the last resort, should you not be pressuring esspen more, or waiting closer to the voting deadline when there has been more activity before you start wanting to lynch lurkers (by my count there are still 22 hours until the deadline)? That is the whole point of a last resort. I really don't like how much attention you were putting on voting for lurkers before BiosC responded to you. I'm not sure if you'll get to see this and respond any time soon because of time zones, but I will hold off putting my vote on you until I go to bed just in case you manage to post before then. As for esspen, I really don't know. That really is just way too obvious a move for mafia to make as others have said, but I am getting a stronger read from hopeless1der. My FOS on Esspen was based on him making me confused. Townies shouldn't be trying to cause confusion imo, so that concerned me. Not enough to vote him, but enough to make note for future reference. Many have come to the conclusion that it would have been insane for mafia to make that move, but I still need to consider WIFOM as we progress. You're right on the deadline, there is time available to pressure for scum tells. However, there isn't really enough info to push that very far, so I essentially singled out BioSC and took a go at him under the premise of saying hes a lurker. (NrGmonk has literally not posted and is subject to modkill, as dNa pointed out. Aegon had 1 post and fits the bill for a lurker to a tee, but I felt I could squeeze BioSC for more info since he seemed inclined to respond.) BioSC responded with a strongly toned OMGUS analysis of my posts so far. Please read through both of our cases and see who you agree with more. I didn't randomly target BioSC; hes the strongest read I have so far, hence he has my vote, and my scrutiny. On June 26 2012 14:56 Release wrote: ##Vote Hopeless1der No time for a thorough explanation. He seems to have been changing his stance to suit the current opinion of the town. @Release: You know I was the one who steered the Lynch all liars AND lurkers policies...So is the town changing its stance to suit me? Maybe you feel I'm just dancing in circles hoping no one catches on...but there is plenty of discussion between me and other players already. I'm not hiding, and I'm not suddenly jumping back and forth. My posts follow a consistent train of thought. Here's hoping you change your mind about me, or at least flesh out something that I might have a chance to rebut. And on that note: Good Night, sweet Liquidville. This is Hopeless... | ||
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On June 27 2012 04:12 Esspen wrote: Contribution to town - zero. Its also a plurality lynch: Whoever has the most votes in a given day gets lynched. Does not require majority. This also means that I am currently on the chopping block. Keep an eye out for bandwagoners. | ||
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His actions are not very committed to any stance except escaping from under my thumb. Things are said, but they are of very little consequence. As for other lurkers, NrGmonk has let us know he is very busy. We've yet to hear from AegonC. Both of them have not really contributed to town. But BioSC has had plenty of posts and opportunities to chime in and support discussions and has not done so. Maybe he needs more time? Maybe I should let up? Who knows, but his actions paint him scum on my canvas and so I voted for him. | ||
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On June 27 2012 04:33 Vivax wrote: I'm highlighting this for the guys who say they vote for the majority cause they fear No lynch (hey, Esspen). No Lynch isn't possible here, you will only vote for the ones you truly believe to be mafia, and not try to hide behind the majority. If you do vote hiding behind a majority, it will come back to haunt you cause it's scummy. I hope you wouldn't hold it against me if I bandwagoned to keep myself alive. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I think BioSC is Active Lurking. | ||
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On June 27 2012 05:57 BioSC wrote: Phew... we finally learn what constitutes "Lurking" In the eyes of Hopeless. Here's the definition taken from his link. + Show Spoiler + Examples of active lurking include posts made only of taunts, excuses for not posting, incoherent gibberish that will lead people to suspect that you do not have the Internet savvy to play Mafia, general bland agreement with whatever is going on, and so forth. For the less couth readers, this is frequently called "bullshitting" in MeatWorld. Posts made only of taunts - nope Excuses for not posting - nope incoherent gibberesh - perhaps if someone didn't speak english, nope Bland agreement - I'm the only one to make a case on you, so gonna disagree there. I really hope people aren't buying his weak case over his obvious scummy actions. I'm going to work out, be back in an hour and a half. I'll make some more reads if that's what you really want. First off, those are examples, not an exhaustive list of what constitutes active lurking. Also: + Show Spoiler + but the material posted is irrelevant or otherwise useless for scumhunting See Also: On June 26 2012 03:32 BioSC wrote: @ JieXian - We have 48 hours from the day 1 post to decide a lynch target, and then 24 hours to submit night actions. The mafia get to shoot at this time as well. Then it all starts over. This isn't all that bad, but it still counts towards my case against you. I would prefer to let the mods sort out the rules in the future Secondly: Posts made only of taunts (this ones a stretch, and one of the last posts hes made but still...implies I'm stupid.) + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2012 05:52 BioSC wrote: If you really think my case against you was OMGUS, you need to learn what a case is. Excuses for not posting: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2012 13:03 BioSC wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to make a case on myself for you. If you believe me to be scum, make the case. Look through my filter. I've discussed policy (Hint: I want people to post too) You are voting for me? Why? Am I a lurker? I'm not even sure you know why you are voting for me. We've done and posted about pretty much the same things. So, I bounce the question back to you. What makes me a lurker, a candidate for YOUR policy, over someone who's filter I can quote in 4 lines? + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 03:09 AegonC wrote: /in This is my first mafia game, I believe I am signing up correctly. On June 25 2012 10:22 AegonC wrote: Perhaps the best way to approach this situation is circumspectly, that is to say don't rush into any stupid decisions. I agree with Hopeless1der, truth should be our banner and justice our sigil! Incoherent Gibberish: + Show Spoiler + Okay you didn't meet this one...yet Bland Agreement: + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2012 11:01 BioSC wrote: I like Esspen. A man after my own heart! I've played in one other newbie mafia game, and lurking town + scum made it hard to make reads. So post, and post often, lest I find you and do horrible things to your bodies. And hi everyone else! Last thing: + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2012 05:57 BioSC wrote: SNIP I'm going to work out, be back in an hour and a half. I'll make some more reads if that's what you really want. 3 hours left to deadline at time of post. Which leaves you about an hour and a half for you to make some reads and allow people time to review in order to decide who to vote for. That's some serious scum maneuvering right there. If people are unsure of whether to vote BioSC and are in a tossup between a couple of choices, I'd propose temp-voting BioSC until he at the very least provides the reads he has kind of said he'd be willing to do...you know, if that's what we really want | ||
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##Unvote BioSC ##Vote roflwaffles55 | ||
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I know you have other obligations, but please keep up with the reading portion at least going forward so you don't get forced into something like this again. Thanks. @roflwaflles55: I'm pretty sure you're voting for me because it gives you the best chance at survival. Bio and I are the only two to really rip into one another (so far to limited avail. But goddamn have we tried.) Can't really argue to much since I just did the same thing. | ||
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On June 28 2012 21:57 Esspen wrote: I'm terribly sorry for lurking, for some reason I thought we could not post during the night (based on what I read here: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Night ), and the day started for me at 2 am when I was already asleep. My defence is that I'm not mafia. And I voted for Hopeless in the end because I've read all BioSC's case against him few minutes before voting and decided to vote for him, and in the worst case that he was townie I would just press against BioSC even more (which I'm going to do as of now). Plus I'm good soul and like saving people. | ||
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