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On June 30 2012 02:04 Keirathi wrote:What!? Are you dense? My list was *EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT CAN HAPPEN* regardless of what roles there are. Okay, actually I missed a couple of possible scenarios. Vivax could be DT, and there could be no doc. The outcome is basically the same as #3. The last possible scenario is that Vivax isnt DT *AND* Jingle isn't Mafia. In which case, Vivax is retardedly dumb, and town ends up losing. Now, for obvious reasons, you can see why I didn't list this one. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Yes. You are making the assumption that Vivax is a DT, and saying its the best path for town. I do not believe Vivax is the DT at all. So how am I dense? You leave out scenarios and call ME dense? Amusing. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it isn't possible.
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On June 30 2012 02:10 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:08 BioSC wrote:On June 30 2012 02:04 Keirathi wrote:On June 30 2012 01:56 BioSC wrote:
You are assuming.
What!? Are you dense? My list was *EVERY POSSIBLE SCENARIO THAT CAN HAPPEN* regardless of what roles there are. Okay, actually I missed a couple of possible scenarios. Vivax could be DT, and there could be no doc. The outcome is basically the same as #3. The last possible scenario is that Vivax isnt DT *AND* Jingle isn't Mafia. In which case, Vivax is retardedly dumb, and town ends up losing. Now, for obvious reasons, you can see why I didn't list this one. It makes no sense whatsoever. Yes. You are making the assumption that Vivax is a DT, and saying its the best path for town. I do not believe Vivax is the DT at all. So how am I dense? You leave out scenarios and call ME dense? Amusing. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it isn't possible. 2) We kill Vivax, he doesnt flip DT. 1 mafia down. 6) We lynch Jingle, hes NOT Mafia. We lynch Vivax tomorrow. Where did I leave out scenarios where Vivax isn't DT? Thats what those look like to me.
Yes, you posted your wonderful list of things that could happen. I'm saying YOU are assuming he's a DT, thus you are saying that the best scenarios involve you taking 100% gospel of Vivax's claim. I don't. Not one bit. Case coming up shortly.
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Towards Vivax:
On June 29 2012 01:55 Vivax wrote:Also, to remind you of the information gained from lynching one of you: Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 20:41 Vivax wrote:
If we kill Esspen and he is scum, then JingleHell most likely is scum, too. (For being protected by Esspen against his own beliefs)
If we kill Esspen and he is townie, then JingleHell can be anything.
If we kill Jinglehell and he is scum, then Esspen is either scum or a misled townie with confusing playstyle.
If we kill Jinglehell and he is town, then Esspen probably isn't scum cause scum would have known Jinglehell (roflwaffle55) was town, and wouldn't have had to vote like that.
And don't forget that my main target is Keirathi cause of his mafiavibes. You're putting words into my mouth saying that I prefer a policy lynch to a scumminess lynch, Jingle. The post I'm quoting myself from proves it, too.
You said this before your claim of DT, but after your check. Why would you be pushing/claiming a main target of Keirathi if you claim to have a red check? Why, as a town aligned DT, would you go after someone you believe to be red, rather than someone a check says is red?
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On June 28 2012 20:45 Vivax wrote:
Regarding JingleHell vs Esspen: I think lynching Jinglehell would give us more information. Esspen might very well just be a sloppy player.
But I prefer a Keirathi lynch cause of the scummy behavior and the low attention on him right now.
From even earlier in the day. You are changing your votes based on the person suspecting you to be lying. I honestly can't see why you would suddenly just change your suspicions around until after someone comes swinging at you.
I don't believe your claim. I feel like you are simply claiming just to save your own neck while its on the chopping block. I would rather lynch into you to confirm your role than to suddenly switch votes based on inconsistencies.
## Vote Vivax
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I don't trust anything. I've seen games where Vanilla Townies Claim Blue roles. Most of the time, they don't work. I'm going off the way he's playing. He didn't breadcrumb his check, he only tells us about it after he has a majority vote on himself, switching targets between you and Jingle... yeah. I don't believe he is blue at all.
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On June 30 2012 02:40 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 02:31 BioSC wrote:
I would rather lynch into you to confirm your role So you would rather lose a blue role than keep one? You make no sense and I'm done arguing with you. If other people believe that garbage, then town is doomed and there's very little point to any discussion.
Same. I fail to see how my argument is "garbage" when I'm not the one taking random claims as true over the way people are actually playing.
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On June 30 2012 02:46 Vivax wrote:
If you kill me, you can hide saying you had no reason to believe I might be DT.
LOL
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On June 30 2012 03:16 Keirathi wrote:
The simple fact of the matter is that its better for the town if Jingle flips town than it is for Vivax to flip DT.
Thats really all it comes down to. Simple game mechanics.
This is the problem with your play right now. You've spent so much time out of the thread, you refuse to actually read into players' feeds and make reads off of them. Right now, vivax is lying about being a DT. I know it. He's trying to save himself by pushing the scummiest person from Day 1 after being called out for his play. After he claims DT, you are resorting to mechanics to try and justify his bad play. Look through his filter, and the cases. I don't believe he's a DT at all. How people are buying this claim from a person who was set to die and has this horrible case with suspicions pointed at pretty much everyone is beyond me.
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On June 30 2012 06:34 Miltonkram wrote:
You guys, Vivax's DT claim is one of the scummiest DT claims I've ever seen. He pushes for a Keirathi lynch even when he has a red check on JingleHell. He is scum, and he is obvious scum. If we don't lynch him, it will be one of the worst town plays I've ever seen. He has slipped and it's been obvious. Please, please, please lynch this guy.
This.
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On June 30 2012 06:38 NrGmonk wrote:
I agree that Vivax seems quite fishy, but your sudden switch of votes seems even more fishy to me. If you can convince me of a reason you switched voting within the span of one hour, I definitely reconsider my vote.
I don't understand this logic. Do you really believe right now that Rofl/Jingle is more scummy than Vivax?
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wha... huh?
Good news, I was right. Bad news... Green.
GG man, good player, though wish you would have just played instead of this claiming nonsense.
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On July 01 2012 20:31 Esspen wrote:
I agree with all of you!
Are you just opting out? If you are scum, this is the strangest bus I've seen. If you are town, then IDK what to say. Are you just going to afk till tomorrow?
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+ Show Spoiler [Out of game preface] +Yes, yesterday was my birthday. I would apologize for not wanting to be here more, but that would be lying =D
I'm catching up on the No-Lynch vs. Esspen case right now. ATM, I'm leaning towards Esspen. I've given the poor guy lots of chances through this game, but I think I need to re-look at him.
I'm not 100% against a No-Lynch, but right now it's all just theory and probability. I would rather try to make a read on people than hope we have any blues left.
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I'm not sold on the No-Lynch today. Esspen seems to have deserted the thread, and I just can't see a reason for town to just abandon the game like he has.
The problem with No-Lynch in my eyes is that it relies too much on unknowns. We don't know if there even are any more blue roles, or if they are even going to be helpful in a MYLO/Mass Claim scenario. I would rather put my trust in voting someone who's been acting scummier and scummier as the game goes on.
##Vote Esspen
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GG you guys! I'll be back in a bit to offer my thoughts on the game.
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If I could stress this enough, Activity (lack thereof) is what killed town. I sure as hell know I wasn't playing a perfect scum (It was my first scum game) but the lack of posts in the thread at times let us come up with a plan, even when it turned bad. Like the hosts said, this game could have soooooooo easily been a town victory. Well played guys, can't wait for analysis on this game, because I feel like I could have played way better.
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Hey, just wondering if the scum team feedback is coming.
You guys apparently had me pegged as Scum in the Obs QT and I'd like some ideas to improve my game (as it was my first scum game)
Thanks!
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With regards to Day 1:
Yeah, I didn't really ever mean to make Hopeless the target, but With Rofl opting out of the game and Jiex asleep during a pretty pivotal time, I kinda went a little stir crazy =D I had to come up with something quick, because it was a policy lynch on the GF and I felt like I was left out to dry a bit.
Same question about personal improvement tips, I like the scum interaction tips, I'll try to incorporate that next time.
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