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Jeez, ghost, my previous post already contained the quotes from grush. Did you even read it?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 11 2012 19:52 Vivax wrote:- grushs readable posts: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 01:57 grush57 wrote:
I have to agree. Atleast BM isn't going full retard like casualman. Casualman doesn't want to play and is just being plain stupid. Plus, he is by far playing the most scummiest so far.
Also, he voted for 5 townies and then katina before re-voting twelve. It was impossible to save katina from that claim, so there's been scum voting for her 100%. Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 01:54 grush57 wrote:
No one claimed getting roleblocked, Katina has been getting pressured a lot, so there IS a good chance he got framed. grush defended katina + bm so far.
On July 11 2012 22:41 ghost_403 wrote:
@acro: Rereading what he posted, it seems that he honestly wants to figure out what's going on in this game (at least early on in the game).
Cite your sources 
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Yes yes, I'm all for lynching maju.
His conscious silence in this game wasn't a good thing to do. Look how he shows up all of a sudden that he's in danger.
I would really love to hear some defense.
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Maju posted about katina when she already had 4-5 votes on her. And he didn't spend a lot of time engaging her in a discussion.
In fact, he only quoted her in the post designed to put the vote on her.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514¤tpage=78#1545
Aside from the katina busvote, he only targetted townies.
This is the kind of scummy lurker we should be lynching imo. Grush doesn't look good either, but I'd save the trolls for the last choices since killing them is coinflippy.
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Are you serious, VE? If we lynch 1 mafia next they are left with 1 KP instead of 2. And you want to go for the coinflippy ones?
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Kurumi, would you go for maju or grush first?
Grush's scum defense is scummy. Maju's overall behavior is scummy. I'd lynch em both, but the readable scummy player first.
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And what would you do with maju if grush flips town? Automatically assume he is scum?
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On July 12 2012 16:54 Acrofales wrote:
We should not be considering Grush and Maju together as if it's a packet lynch. We should decide which of the two is scummier and lynch the crap out of him.
I kinda interpreted this as if you wanted to suggest that they have different alignments, since you ask to pick the 'scummier' one. They're both equally scummy, butI prefer lynching the lurky scum type before the trolling one.
There's probably room for more discussion about this decision, but most of the active townies seem to prefer lynching the trolling guys, which I think is a mistake.
Aside from this misinterpretation, I don't feel their alignments are that much linkable. Grush kinda made fun of majus answer after he was called out, so that's the only thing I saw so far, and it would suggest that grush is town and doesn't know majus alignment OR that he knows it and maju is just a town behaving suspiciously OR that they're both scum just interacting a little.
The problem about grush: How the hell would you read him to decide between these options? Don't even know if he means what he writes. Maju instead has a pretty bad filter, so I don't understand why you would want to defend him now, he unlurked just before when he got into the center of attention, and now he's still being silent since that.
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On July 13 2012 01:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Between Grush and casualman, I think.
Katina attacked casualman pretty hard when she was hard defending herself, so that seems to indicate town casual
Lol VE.
Katina also defended Twelve, but you didn't bother to defend him based on the connection to katina.
Yet you use that connection to defend casual now?
You're not playing consistently.
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EBWOP: but you didn't bother to attack him based on that.
Here the quotes:
On July 09 2012 10:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
People should be scrutinizing me now anyway. -.-
I'm onboard with a 12 lynch, but I'm going over everything to see if I agree that he's the BEST lynch for today. We have time.
Kurumi, I'd like your opinion on the fact that Bugs and Matt were killed and not Hyaach, the DT who nailed one of the scums.
Hyaach, you should have another report. Let's hear it.
On July 11 2012 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Twelve
I literally thought I was the first to do it. :/ Sorry guys.
The vote for twelve following his "case"...2 days later <_<. I guess he realized it too late.
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@ BKE
I couldn't find the detail missing in Mandalors post. Would you point it out please?
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Ahh thanks.
Well it's probably sloppiness. I don't suspect mandalor atm and we can't speak of a scumslip cause both alignments can make such mistakes.
So much for mand.
VE switching to maju all of a sudden is a bit weird cause I don't understand his thought process at the moment.
@ VE
What more information than you does maju have? I don't get what you meant there.
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Good good VE. If it was a bus, congratz, it was spectacular.
Now let's hope this guy flips scum ,aye?
In that case we'll have to ask about maju's special place in kurumi's heart.
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Why so worked up from that post, VE? That statement doesn't imply that you are scum.
I just wanted to say that your post would be a pretty good bussing post, in the case you were mafia.
I don't know if you are mafia, that's why I used the 'if'.
I just find it weird that you react so pissed off at that. It wasn't even a case.
Btw, what do you mean with (lf)?
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I understand Acro's concern. Tbh I'd love to lynch them all at once. Maju for actively lurking so obviously that it hurts. Grush for defending scum and being grush. Casualman for playing like an asshat and voting VE constantly without reason.
Hell, I'd even throw a dice to decide between these, but it's hardly possible so I'll go with the most readable one cause I feel it's safer lynching based on reads than on coinflips.
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Grush, care to explain what you wrote there? "no" means you get my vote.
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I'll tell you something, I'll flip a coin some time before deadline to decide between grush and maju, cause I really have no freakin idea who I should go for first.
Maybe policy lynches aren't so bad after all, since we're left with such unreadable players in endgame by not getting any.
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Funny you say that, cause the less coinflippy action is to lynch maju, not grush like you want. I'll doublecheck the option that maju is scum.
Anyway, your quote deserves a place in my signature for a while. Good one, good one.
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About MajuGarzett:
On July 06 2012 02:03 MajuGarzett wrote:
Why do people suddenly want to kill me? How does thinking that my response to one question is insufficient supersede the last 2 days of discussion on 12, Katina, etc.
It's funny cause when he wrote that he never wrote anything about katina until that point.
He later posted a case on her after maju's claim. If I recall correctly he was the third to vote for her, after me and NSH.
Then, when Katina died, Twelve was damned to be lynched, here's MG's contribution to the mislynch:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 10 2012 12:46 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 05:29 Twelve wrote:
Well I really dont want to vote you anymore since Hyaach seems to be telling the truth. Someone else for sure, I just havent really decided yet. Why did you say this and then never switch your vote? Also, if you believed Hyaach why didn't you just immediately vote for Katina. I've suspected 12 for a long time so ##Vote: Twleve
On July 13 2012 13:49 MajuGarzett wrote:
I was against the vote of ET, a townie, and for the vote of Katina, the scum RB.
I am still for lynching grush. After that I would lynch casual as by this point I suspect his trolling was just a way of keeping a null read and therefore not garnering votes. After that I'm not sure though I am suspicious of VE for his hesitance to vote for Katina. I felt that his qualms about the truth of Hyaach's roleclaim were fairly unfounded.
No, you were never against the vote of ET, you just suspected him less than twelve at the point where a lynch and a modkill would have cost 2 townie lives instead of 1.
On July 05 2012 06:53 MajuGarzett wrote:ET concurring with the general sentiment of the thread is possible. 12 just goes off and draws his own odd conclusions and says weird stuff that he doesn't seem to really believe. Just for clarification, I don't like ET's go with the flow play either, I just dislike 12's odd choices more.
That's why you didn't fight for twelve votes at that point although you said he was more scummy: It's cause you didn't really care who died there, but with twelve dying immediately, it would have been better for scum. He got mislynched the next day thanks to a false connection.
My vote sticks on MG.
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I'll push for grush policy lynches in the future.
gg scum.
I actually thought Kurumi was mad hatter cause of the nonsense written somewhat early.
I think BKE also had that impression.
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Once Acro and Kurumi made that gambit defending a townie from a mislynch (which was quite a gamble), they had a bulletproof defense for lategame. At least for me, since I would never see scum renouncing on a mislynch.
The only remaining options in lategame were maju and grush. Maju didn't even bother defending himself, everyone on the scumteam was pointing to grush, making him actually look less suspicious. This was quite nice play by scum, so I wouldn't take credit away from the scumteam, although they had casualman casting a lot of doubt at that stage of the game.
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