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I think he's scum based on dead scum's posts and actions and because he lied to have a reason for voting twelve.
But I don't like twelve and Shiao either.
Since twelve constantly tunneled BKE, I have to assume they are of different alignment.Since I find them both scummy, I'm not feeling comfortable with deciding for one, but atm I'm still leaning towards BKE.
Grush doesn't offer enough reads for me to decide. And for BKE, aside from the fact that he looks scummy, I value the information coming from his flip.
Once the BKE-twelve-matter is cleared we can go on and lynch the hard to read ones, once we can evaluate their interactions with the flipped ones.
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That alignment thing kurumi mentioned:
I don't thing it's a good argument
BKE suspected twelve of being scum and so he had a reason to say that a townie would have stopped the switch. Doesn't necessarily mean he knew the alignment, rather reflects what he believed it to be.
BKE's last posts kind of let him look townish, he also suspects me and austin before he got nightkilled (same reason why I got doubts about a scum twelve, actually).
Can't really decide between twelve or BKE, but doesn't matter, both lynches can clear a lot of things up. I hope at least  , scum can always have put false tracks, they might even be tunneling each other, so I see that the information aspect is pretty unsafe.
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And you think a framer would have picked kat?
I kind of believe hyaach.And if he lied we will know soon enough.
Katina defended twelve, so let's see where this goes:
##Vote Twelve
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The thing is, if Hyaach isn't the DT, then the real one should already be expressing his disbelief of his claim and calling him scum, along with breadcrumbing his own checks.
I think 3 people didn't post since that claim, so let's see if we're in for a surprise.
IF we have a DT.
The only reason I see for a scum hyaach to claim now is to cover BKE. But a smart mafia wouldn't cover a scumbuddy by fakeclaiming and saying he returned town, cause if the DT is proven to be fake, the scumbuddy dies anyway.
Katina posting so actively after this just confirms she didn't have much reason to post before.
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I have huge appetite for the connections from the flip already.I'm refraining from posting them cause I'll get shat on :/
Katina, I'm not removing that vote. How about you give us one big last post we can work with? If you really are town I mean.
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Yesss. GG hyaach, gg kat.
Lynch twelve next?
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Katinas flip means I saved scum from being lynched with the voteswitch to ET. 
On the other hand, that asks for a closer look at Acro and Kurumi for following me in that.
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First we lynch twelve, then Shiao, and the remaining mafia member is either VE or grush.
I discarded the options for a mafia Kurumi and Acro.
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GG guys  .
Already put my vote on twelve.
My defense against his accusations (and the arguments against him):
If twelve was really town, he would know I'm not scum cause I caused a voteswitch from him to ET, which would have saved him as townie, which is something scum simply wouldn't do.
Scum would have simply leaned back watching a mislynch and a modkill happen. But only one guy died, therefore Twelve is scum for accusing the people saving him from that.
If anyone thinks it's simply bad play and not scummy behavior, step up.
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Since Shiao prolly is town cause of the check, I think Mandalor is a worthy successor.
I would also lynch VE based off the general feeling I have of him now. Didn't overly analyze his posts yet.
grush lynch is a coinflip, still a worthy lynch cause the first meaningful thing he wrote in this game had the purpose of defending kat.
About casualman: Well, mafia might have adopted the strategy of having one guy acting super badly, while the remaining mafia keeps targetting him until he gets lynched (cause one might consider it probable that such a guy gets lynched early).
That way, they'd have a pretty solid defense and possibly gain lots of cred. "But why lynch trolls when you can lynch scum?", town thought, and so casualman will probably get into the lategame.
Let's say I have reasons for not suspecting Kurumi. And Acro looks pretty townie by being one of the first to vote kat.
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You tunneled a town throughout the game, you've been defended by the mafia roleblocker before the check got revealed. The DT pretty much sealed your guilt with his checks, the connections point to you.
I doubt we're dealing with a crazy version where hyaach bussed katina to save BKE and get you killed.
Or a version where BKE is a second godfather and katina just defended you to gain cred.
To be fair however, if hyaach didn't say he was town, I'd still lynch BKE just based off his play.
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I kinda don't believe in the version with a scum hyaach cause it's just crazy to bus the roleblocker when he isn't in danger.
If you flip green we will know that katina defended you for some reason, and that the people who voteswitched to ET with me aren't scum (including me). Cause with you and ET lynched, we would have lost 2 townies instead of just ET, and scum wouldn't want such a thing.
So your flip will give us enough information, don't worry. But I still think it won't be green.
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On July 11 2012 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
The fact that you voted for me only serves to make me look better. Way to fail.
In no way I would choose a vote from this guy as a reason to not suspect someone.That said, if you both were scum, you hiding behind that vote in case casualman flips first won't convince me of your town status.
In fact, if he flips scum, it's gonna show that scumteam might have instrumentalized his misbehavior, maybe betting on him getting lynched early.
I would like to lynch him better sooner than later to know more. Comments on his scumminess are unnecessary I think.
But more after twelve's flip :>
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LOL the post.
GG Twelve. RIP in that trunk.
Anyway, Kurumi, me and Acro are town. If anyone thinks otherwise, I would really love to hear it.
The remaining targets are maju, casualman, grush, VE.
I'd go for casualman first and I'm not considering the presence of a second godfather with this.
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@ Acro
Really? Don't you remember the moment you and Kurumi saved twelve from getting lynched when you switched your vote to ET along with me?
Please tell me which scum player would prefer one mislynch only over a mislynch and a modkill of two townies.
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Start backing up the stuff you write with quotes so you don't have to embarass yourself when others have to do it for you.
Cause you apparently are too lazy to go back and reread what happened when people switched to ET instead of Twelve.
Hint: It wasn't just cause people believed ET to be more scummy.
Double hint: Every mislynch helps mafia except for very specific cases.
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The credit for this mislynch goes to katina for defending Twelve.
Looked a bit through the filters:
- casualman asked for a VE lynch all the time. Katina kept asking for a vote on casu, katina also defended twelve. So I'd expect casu to be a possible scum member too, since katina's actions were one-way-WIFOMS imo. Defending town, attacking scum.
- maju posted a case against katina when she was already set to be lynched. Maju is the type of guy who doesn't troll, keeps activity to a minimum, and doesn't post game changing information at timings where it would matter. He's more readable than grush and casualman cause he doesn't write derp things, but his play fits a scum role with what I could gain.
- grushs readable posts:
On July 02 2012 01:57 grush57 wrote:
I have to agree. Atleast BM isn't going full retard like casualman. Casualman doesn't want to play and is just being plain stupid. Plus, he is by far playing the most scummiest so far.
Also, he voted for 5 townies and then katina before re-voting twelve.
It was impossible to save katina from that claim, so there's been scum voting for her 100%.
On July 08 2012 01:54 grush57 wrote:
No one claimed getting roleblocked, Katina has been getting pressured a lot, so there IS a good chance he got framed.
grush defended katina + bm so far.
Right now I'd go for grush, then maju.
Btw, WHO HAS BEEN ROLEBLOCKED before katina died? We indeed had noone claiming a RB yet.
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I prefer grush cause he was never arsed to write something making sense except when there was scum to defend.
All his somewhat readable sentences are there cause he's defending BM and katina. Other readable things are townie votes, he jumped on both the mKmK and the twelve bandwagon. And I repeat: whenever he actually cared to articulate something properly, he defended scum with it.
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