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@ NSH Before I voted for mK: I defended players from an upcoming bandwagon, but I had no reason to be sure that the people pushing it were scum. However, what made me suspicious was Acrofales coming in aid of VE so fast once I started criticizing the cases on BKE and BM. I also felt like VE and Acro always shared the same opinion. My concluding line regarding both of them was: On July 02 2012 00:34 Vivax wrote: What's going on atm?A BKE bandwagon. I didn't like acrofales and VE after this. After I voted for mK: I can't be a serious counterforce to the FT bandwagon if I vote for someone else who's not gonna happen anyway? I just followed the rule: 'Vote for the guy who you believe to be scum and of who you know has the best chance to get other votes'. So I left my vote ticked on mK. VE also accused me of voting mK and defending him at the same time, while I simply listed the pro and cons in voting for him. Apparently mentioning cons for your votes makes you scummy. | ||
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I read it like this: - Katina is scum, but since it's her birthday we have to give her the BOTD. - Twelve is scum and I don't want to be associated with him. - Hyaach is a townie who is being snappy. Did I mention that we have to lynch him for that. Not sure what to gain from his behavior regarding BKE. Gonna have to look through Shiao's filter more for that. | ||
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I think I have focused too much on Shiaos latest posts to vote for him. Here's something to Shiaos defense: On July 02 2012 19:39 ShiaoPi wrote: @Acrofales: Your case on Vivax does have merit, but sadly I would say that he is town. He defends me while I even suspected him and disagreed with him most of the time. On July 02 2012 19:39 ShiaoPi wrote: @Vivax: I do not agree on your read on marv, sure he led a mislynch, but being wrong is no scumtrait. Also the way it unfolded marv looked really town just go and check his filter. He was right with marv's alignment and defended him. I've found some more speaking for a town Shiao, but for me the above is reason enough to go back to a twelve lynch. The play is quite different from the one I know, still. | ||
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Katina ignoring so many scummy players to suspect Adam is just ridiculous. I think I've found something to Adam's defense. On July 01 2012 16:11 Bill Murray wrote: vig shoot Adam first because he asked you to shoot broke the golden rule So much for Adam. Alright. The other candidate for her and twelve is casualman. Obviously a troll and an easy target. I don't think he's mafia, but he sure could be an asset to them. I don't care if we lynch Katina or twelve for now. ET going silent stinks, too. He found a good reason to push a townie case cause of the kenpachi rule. No safer way for scum to cause a mislynch by promoting a policy lynch. Also, for an experienced player, he should be posting more as townie. | ||
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I might have learned a rule with this game: 'town never lynches trolls and people acting like idiots, but they attract cases from scum' That said, VE, if twelve flips red I'll come back to your last attempt to get votes on casualman instead of twelve. Even if Shiao is scum, I'd keep him alive over scummy players giving us less information. As long as he keeps posting constantly, it should become obvious once he tries to push the mafia agenda. He is basically forced to post while knowing he's being scrutinized heavily. You call that WIFOM right? | ||
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No need to get so personal again, I have feelings  .Twelve, you made a 'case' against BKE when there was a bandwagon against him and then you even suspected NSH/Bugs to be the Ringleader. Then you said NSH started the FT bandwagon while it was marv as I recall it. You only always show up when there's someone mentioning you in a threatening way. Then you even gave two different reasons for voting FT once people didn't buy the story with him being your RL friend: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514¤tpage=42#834 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514¤tpage=58#1145 I had just got a scummy read on foxtrotter out of the thread. But you didn't post it. | ||
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If we kill people who look scummy and additionally didn't contribute much yet/hard to read/lurking, while trying to stay in a good light in front of town (like twelve, katina, ET, grush) as opposed to players who looked scummy and then wrote a lot as defense (like ShiaoPi, BKE) or players who act trolly or simply act (like casualman and Kurumi). then we can lynch people later who already gave more information and are forced to do so to remain consistent. If we kill highly informative scummy players before, then it's unlikely that we will gain more information from their flip regarding the scummy players who didn't post much yet. With this, scummy, lurking players will also be given the pressure to post more, while active scum has to remain active anyway. Thoughts? | ||
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On July 05 2012 01:47 Katina wrote: What? Silent scummy players first, loud scummy players later. Loud players more likely to dig their own graves, so less dangerous than silent scummy players who are able to remain silent if we pursue the loud ones. | ||
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##Vote for people On July 05 2012 01:45 Vivax wrote: (like twelve, katina, ET, grush) | ||
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I find this kinda weird: On July 02 2012 08:36 EchelonTee wrote: Grush also looks ballz bad I'm sticking with an mk lynch. If he flips town, fox is on deathbed. Godspeed town. On July 02 2012 08:43 EchelonTee wrote: Alright screw it all Mk hasn't voted, not playing at all. In my exp, a scum team wouldve been like omfgbbq Vote ffs Ft has done a vote and looks bad by same standards. Reminds me of cccalf from soaf, gambit from tl lv Manmode super balls switch engage Switch to ft nowwwwwww On July 02 2012 08:48 EchelonTee wrote: Switch to ft now. You wanted mk dead and not bke? Vote ft. your vote on a random goon? Vote ft. I don't like how he tries to steer bandwagons without posting own reads. He was also the one opposing drwiggl3s, and drwiggl3s has been shot by the mafia. Can't argue properly here cause this is WIFOM, hell knows what mafia used the nightkill for, but I think drwiggl3s filter deserves a look. So much for ET. Lol grush. | ||
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On July 04 2012 09:39 Twelve wrote: Anyways, pretty much every single thing I wrote turned out to be false. NoSmurfHere cannot be ringleader because BM was the Ringleader. Rastaban cannot be NoSmurfHere's mafia partner because Rastaban turned up green. Once i knew the facts, I felt silly for posting my theory, and offered to shut up. This is the only thing giving me doubts so far. You were suspecting two people of which 1 is probably townie, and the other flipped green after getting killed by mafia. Not the safest targets for a scumplayer. And then: You claimed rastaban to be scum, but then he gets shot by mafia? Either scumteam made a mistake here/didn't care, or twelve is town. I'm actually not that sure about my vote anymore. What do? Katina, ET or Shiao? Or do you think Twelve looks still bad in light of this post? We still have some time to change things. | ||
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I wouldn't understand the actions from a scum point of view. There's a lot of talk about ET already. Take the way he tries to influence bandwagons without reads. | ||
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For now back to Twelve since I don't wanna risk ET getting lynched when he could be modkilled. I really hope he doesn't flip town. | ||
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On July 02 2012 18:47 Mandalor wrote: I just want to clarify a few things on my position on drwiggl3s: I think the doctor is a townie. I don't agree that mattchew's list is necessarily all town. I don't think ET is scum. If mattchew is indeed scum, that will obviously raise some suspicion on him, but he's a very constructive poster. I don't agree with a lot of his views, but he just doesn't seem to be counterproductive in his actions. I think killing mattchew is a good idea, but I don't think it's going to happen. I still think BKE is scum. I don't understand what you wanted to do with mattchew at the time. You praise his constructive posts but think that killing him is a good idea? | ||
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Ok, I'll vote ET again. If anyone believes in twelve, switch too. Need 4 votes I think. | ||
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