I'd agree if I wasn't so sure that this thread will be spammed up with mafia posting about their "reads" and "leans" and etc. while ignoring the main point being made here.

I'll have to settle in for the night and return to this in the morning. If your town, read what was said here.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 02 2012 10:05 GMT

#744

BKexe and Mattchew. Quickest to point fingers at others, while never pointing fingers at each other.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 02 2012 10:12 GMT

#746

Bad one sentence explanation? I spent the last two pages explaining quite clearly my thoughts and reasons as to why Mattchew would be the most beneficial lynch right now. Go back and read them if you need any extra explanation, as I'm positive it was all covered there.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 02 2012 10:22 GMT

#750

On July 02 2012 19:18 marvellosity wrote:

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basically i can see it's lynching for information. which is a god awful reason to lynch someone.

Really? Worse then lynching someone for being a slight lurker?

Do you know how to play this game?

You killed a townie last night my friend. I suggest you spend more time thinking about your posts.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 02 2012 10:44 GMT

#753

It was actually Canada day so I wasn't able to post before the lynch. The lynch is because I think he's scum. But even if you can't agree on that, unless something interesting happens this night cycle, the lynch on him would give us the most information as to who is and who isn't scum.

Also you say you don't like me gunning for someone right after a lynch. Did you not read Mattchew's first post after the lynch? He says Foxtrott deserved the be lynch anyway (as a semi-sorry lurker? what?) and immediately pointed a finger at twelve (how on earth is twelve scum?).

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 02 2012 11:01 GMT

#759

I also agree there was no valid reason to kill Foxtrotter. Any suspicions raised against him were just grasping at straws as far as I'm concerned.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 02 2012 23:42 GMT

#893

On July 03 2012 03:13 s0Lstice wrote:
Drwiggl3s, I want to know one thing.

On July 02 2012 18:19 drwiggl3s wrote:
That's fine. Come up with a better vote then Mattchew, and I'd love to hear it. Anything that involves voting for a lurker, a noob, a troll, or whatever, is not one I'm interested when we can vote for someone who absolutely loves to spur confusion, and band wagoning, as well as soft defending someone I believe is scum (bkexe).
If we lynch Mattchew, it will give us the most possible information that a lynch can give us.
That's the point I'm making here.

I want to know why you are pushing Mattchew now. You say BKE is scum. BKE had 7 votes on him at his peak on day 1. Why in the hell aren't you pushing that case, when there is such obvious support for it?

...okay I lied, more questions. What is this?

On July 02 2012 17:47 drwiggl3s wrote:
If you want the most information out of a lynch. Then when the sun rises tomorrow - we kill Mattchew.

If he's scum, everyone on that list is town. And we have 5 (6th person would have been foxtrott) people who can be labelled confirm town for the rest of the game.

On July 02 2012 18:15 drwiggl3s wrote:
Whether or not Mattchew is scum is up for interpretation. But one thing that isn't, is that if we lynch him, and he turns as scum, then that will net us the most information. More then any other lynch that could be made right now.

On July 02 2012 18:20 drwiggl3s wrote:
I believe Mattchew is scum. I thought that was clear from my earlier posts.

Yea no it's not clear. I frankly have no idea if you think he's scum or if you want to lynch for information. If we trust your last line, that means you have 2 scum reads right now (Mattchew and BKE). Information from the flip shouldn't even be a factor. You push your scum reads based on their scummyness, period. You are not doing this. Why?

I think Mattchew and BKE are both scum. Why? Because anytime someone has been read as posting something even slightly scummy (or so generically scummy) Mattchew is one of the first to jump on them, and spur conflict. Except when people were bandwagonning onto BKE (for good reason I add), he always soft defended him, while pointing fingers elsewhere.

That is why I think they are both scum. And since Mattchew has some interesting people defending him, has a list with 2 confirmed town on it, and already has ties to BKE, if we killed him it would give us alot of usable information if he flipped scum.

On July 03 2012 06:49 Mandalor wrote:
The more wiggles posted, the more weird his posts became. To a point where he made really odd mistakes (not scummy at all -> 100% scummy)
I don't know, I hold onto my opinion that he's town for now. I know I put a lot more thoughts in my posts when I was mafia.

I apologize if my posts were unclear. I said "not scummy at all" in the sense that his posts were innocent, but could be misconstrued as a "obvious scum post" (said sorry for being away, voted for mkmkmk without some detailed explenation, although he did give some explanation.. more then many other people who voted for mkmkmk).

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 02 2012 23:47 GMT

#894

Also when i said "whether or not mattchew is scum is up for interpretation"..
I just meant that if you don't agree he's scum (I thought it was clear that I already had him pinned as scum at this point), you can still agree that if we lynch him it would give us valuable information on the people defending him, and BKExe (who he soft defended). Basically I'm saying that lynching Mattchew would be more valuable then lynching a random lurker and risk killing a slightly inactive blue, or town.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 02 2012 23:53 GMT

#897

Hard to read ET. I think I'm making some pretty decent arguments here, and he said he simply see's things differently then me. Besides that I haven't really filtered him or anything.

@marvellosity, thank you for another insightful and useful post!

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 03 2012 00:01 GMT

#901

On July 03 2012 08:54 ghost_403 wrote:
@drWiggles: That's a solid 'meh' response.

I had a quick read through his filter just now. He seems like an experienced player. He seems pretty helpful and actually cares about who he votes for. Not sure if he's scum or town exactly but has some good points to make and gives reasoning behind his decisions.

If you think something else about him I'd be interested to hear it.

drwiggl3s

Canada167 Posts

July 03 2012 01:22 GMT

#948

On July 03 2012 10:02 marvellosity wrote:
P.S. ghost I already answered your question.

If scum has a choice between two townies then it doesn't really matter so much which they decide to lynch. You're reading too much into the switch.

I really disagree with this. The switch to FT could be because it was apparent that mkmkmk would be mod killed anyway. This has been stated already by Mandalor.

On July 02 2012 18:55 Mandalor wrote:

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I think you're talking to vivax, but I'm gonna answer this for myself:
Possible modkill of mK.

If mK is town and inactive, there's a chance he will be modkilled and mafia could get two kills in pretty much one day by swaying the public opinion to another townie.

The switch also could have happened so mafia could pin down two people to be lynched first. FT for innactivity and his vote on mkmkmk. And then if mkmkmk didnt get modkilled they could easily push for him D2.