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KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 06 2012 18:16 GMT
#7
/in

Haven't played in a while but i'd like to get back into mafia.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 02:45 GMT
#91
"Tunneling" is not a good thing to do. Of course, there exists a point between "tunneling" and pursuing a lead that murks the waters.

Maybe we should think about on our strategy? At least something to pull and potential lurkers out and get some discussion going.
I'll start:
We should have a roll call of every person at latest 4-5 hours before voting period. Anyone agree or disagree?
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 02:47 GMT
#92
Er not roll call, that's not the word i was looking for. I mean look for at least 1 or 2 posts from each person 4-5 hours before the voting period.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 02:50 GMT
#94
On June 09 2012 11:48 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 11:47 KtheZ wrote:
Er not roll call, that's not the word i was looking for. I mean look for at least 1 or 2 posts from each person 4-5 hours before the voting period.

Yeah, you should always check people's filters and make analysis on them.


Yeah but we can't do this if there are people who don't talk. Thus I'm trying to create discussion.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 03:11 GMT
#109
What kind of policy lynching would be a good idea for us? Lynch all liars and lynch lurkers (in the absence of a clear majority)?
Just a couple suggestions of mine.

My two cents on the grush debate unfolding:
grush has given a minor scumtell but it doesnt hurt to keep discussing the situation. Once we get enough opinions we could probably have enough information (hopefully) to decide an educated day 1 lynch.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 03:14 GMT
#111
On June 09 2012 12:12 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 12:09 Release wrote:
On June 09 2012 12:07 grush57 wrote:
Yeah, but I'm not a lurker.

Therefore, in your agenda, you won't be lynched. Pretty funny how logic works isn't it?


Yeah but I want scum lynched not necessarily a lurker. However, if there are no clear scum then a lurker lynch would be best.


What kind of criterion is "clear scum"? A majority?
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 03:16 GMT
#112
We obviously don't want to go into bandwagon syndrome (for a majority) and bandwagon after 1 person does some minor analysis; We will win if everyone does analysis of their own analysis and fingers point at the correct people
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 03:35 GMT
#124
I think we're straying a little deeper into ad hominem territory than needed gentlemen
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 16:50 GMT
#150
On June 09 2012 18:11 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Hey guys, just woke up(time difference suck).

I have read some of the grush-release discussion, and i can say that i did found Grush comment weird. Also some of his later post is also strange. I will post a analysis on him later.

But release, you are going against him to hard. You said it yourself before, that your comment is useless to anyone but grush. If it's like that, you should let others give their opinions about him, and focus on someone else for a bit.

Also, as to my opinions on lynching, i agree that in case there is a hard lurker and no scum reads we should lynch the lurker, as he is not contributing anyways. But lynching with not much information (like d1) will probably result in a misslynch. We still gain information even is there is no lynch, by observing how players act before lynch, what they vote for, reaction after lynch, etc.



Personally I think its ok for release to keep pressuring grush; I'm interested in grush's responses. The more he talks the more evidence he will create for or against himself.
Although, as noted in my earlier comment, ad hominem gets us nowhere, so hopefully it wont degenerate into that.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 22:24 GMT
#192
When does day end?
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 05:19 GMT
#219
Considering the current state of affairs between grush and ha:

I think its good that we've been able to come up with enough analysis to be able to FoS two individuals on the first day.

Grush:
His first post, which implied encouragement of less discussion day 1, definitely struck me as something a scum might do. In the ensuing discussion he started OMGUS-ing a little, and met release's scathing cross-examination with responses of his own. I applaud release for FoSing Grush, not because grush may be scum, but because he managed to squeeze out precious information on this first day. This new debate over ha was only possible because release decided to talk. Anyway, after looking over grush's responses and his final "okay im done with this shit" post, he does seem slightly scummy.
Considering the lack of useful information he has provided within the span of 30-40ish posts, and my feel over reading his posts, I would place the ballpark of him being scum being around 44-55% (Which is much higher than the average person, 11%)

ha: To be released
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 07:23 GMT
#221
ha: I've looked through his posts and, besides a soft defense of grush, he doesn't appear that scummy to me.

Personal risk analysis:
chance ha is mafia: 22-25%
chance ha is mafia given grush flips:44-55%

All of these percentages are based on "as of now"
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 18:35 GMT
#239
Just for the sake of clarity:

I like to use numbers because it indicates the degree of suspicion i currently have toward specific persons. I think its much more useful to town if they know my current standings toward people in a numeric form, and can convince me otherwise.

As for Grush:

I think this is the first time you have finally made an accusation up front, that ha is obviously mafia. It strikes me as awkward that you would attack someone who soft defended you.
Enough about you, lets talk about me!

Why would you not advocate me providing more information to town: that is, my current suspicions in numeric form and my thoughts.
Looking at my suspicion percentages, I am following my policy to NOT TUNNEL. I'm not sure who is mafia, and my percentages reflect that. I'm keeping an open mind.

You really need to stop OMGUS-ing anyone who suspects you. All I said there is a probable chance that you're mafia.

P.S. "Besides defending a suspicious player and being very suspicious, he isn't scummy to me."
What the heck? If someone is suspicious they are scummy. This is another contradiction in your post.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 18:51 GMT
#241
So now that it is time to decide who to lynch, we should think about whose lynch will provide the most information.

The current FoS/Lynch votes have been directed to:

grush<---- Release(voted), me
ha<------- s0lstice
The_zen_man<-------- Lazermonkey(FoS)
Lazermonkey<---------- The_Zen_man(FoS)
Or something like this.

To me, the most probable first day lynch will be grush or ha. (zen man and lazermonkey have been trading blows with one another, but we havent paid attention to that all that much)

What info will lynching grush provide us?
grush's stance toward:
ha: Thinks he is mafia, but was soft defended by ha.
Release: reads town on release, was the individual to put grush into spotlight
KtheZ: Suspicious because he didn't notice how ha is "obviously" mafia
s0Lstice: He seems positively inclined toward s0Lstice
Vivax: Thinks he is mafia, because he was lurker (does position change now that hes posting?)

Note:No noted opinions on others

What info will lynching ha provide us?
grush:soft defended by ha
KtheZ: unconvinced ha is mafia
s0Lstice: FoSed/Voted ha
ShiaoPi: Advocated pushing ha for more info
Note: I haven't seen many of ha's own opinions on others, just him defending hiimself.
No noted opinions on others.

ShiaoPi, you should post some more! I'm curious to hear your position on things!
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 18:53 GMT
#242
Now that I think about it, it might be more like something like this:

grush<---- Release(voted), me(FoS), s0Lstice(FoS)
ha<------- s0lstice(voted), ShiaoPi(FoS?), grush(FoS)
The_zen_man<-------- Lazermonkey(FoS)
Lazermonkey<---------- The_Zen_man(FoS)
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 18:56 GMT
#243
I think I'll place my vote on grush for now. If new compelling evidence comes up, I'm definitely open to accepting it.

##Vote: grush57
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 18:58 GMT
#244
Feel free to copy-paste the little list and fill it with your own thoughts!
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 19:20 GMT
#248
On June 11 2012 04:04 s0Lstice wrote:
KtheZ is rocketing up the scum charts.

We lynch to kill scum. Period. Factoring in what information our target will give to decide our lynch candidate is ludicrous. You suggesting it is scummy.

People have already talked about your percentage nonsense, so I won't rehash beyond saying that it paints you in a very bad light. If you are aiming to get lynched, keep doing it. We want words, not numbers.


I am definitely lynching to kill scum. Lynching to kill scum and factoring what information can be netted are not mutually exclusive; I was listing what information we would gain based on who we lynched.
I agree that I phrased that poorly. What I meant was that given the lynch, look at what information we gain. I did not intend for the factoring in of information to be a vote-changer.

I don't understand what is wrong with this "percentage nonsense". If supplemented with analysis it provides a snapshot of my current views on people, which I feel provides more information to town.
However, if people think it is anti-town, I will stop.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 19:22 GMT
#250
EBWOP:
To add to the previous statement:
Although an explanation of how it is anti-town would be appreciated.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 10 2012 21:24 GMT
#280
Since ha cannot vote for himself, a lynch for today would take either: grush and shiaopi voting for ha or someone switching their vote to ha.
or: A lot of vote-switching
Obvious things aside,

Although I am not convinced ha is scum, if it comes down to a no-lynch I will switch my vote to ha. I have read his posts and s0Lstice/Release's arguments and have concluded that he is a reasonable second to grush.

I have now read through Lazermonkey's posts about Zen_Man. After seeing Zen_Man's wishy-washy voting (voting grush without analysis, and his attempts to reduce the cross-examination of grush) I am suspicious enough to at least FoS him.
FoS: The_Zen_Man
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