iGrok's Good Clean Old-fashioned Mafia - Page 4

On June 13 2012 09:14 chaoser wrote:
seems I've neglected this game, I'll be more active tomorrow since tomorrow is night for the other game.

On June 13 2012 11:00 gonzaw wrote:
@Greymist:

I don't like how you are just going around asking people questions and creating doubt on them.
Like, you quote Hesmyrr and cast doubt on him, but then you quote chaoser and cast doubt on him. What's your motivation for that? Do you really think any of them can be scum or are you just trying to blend in?

What are your suspicions right now? (before you "go back and reread carefully" and not show up for 10 hours, just tell me what you think right now)

On June 13 2012 11:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, what do you think of Wiggles and BrownBear? (I don't think you ever mentioned your thoughts on BB yet)


Damn this game is deserted, before the game started I would have expected a war or something going on by now, with cases being thrown and posts being dissected and people shouting "OBJECTION!!" and then coming up with a new case that finally catches the right scum or something.

Clearly I was expecting too much from it

On June 13 2012 14:51 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, off to reread the thread!

(I think it will be the 1st time I'll ever reread a thread since it's beginning and not just read filters, I'm so excited!)

Up to page 11, and I already have new info and revelations :O :O :O

This is fun.

On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote:

I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment.

Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary.

On June 12 2012 08:01 Hesmyrr wrote:
I am not insinuating, I am stating your behaviour before then was deservingly suspicious. Also I was still divided on whether to vote for VisceraEyes or MZ so wanted to see if there was going to be more materials/clues, like how you just behaved. You just wrote "I don't have the ability to make a coherant case in this amount of time", but you posted your suspicion on 6:11 so I'm not telling you to work on the fly. I don't even have to tie it into VE partnership to make it scummy, like you said ("I think the honest reason is that I wanted(and want) an alternative to a MZ lynch") you could be preparing in advance to make yourself look less responsible when MZ flips town, since you were looking for 'alternatives'. Keeping my eyes on you.

Also VE, why are you so concerned about where my vote is parked? As I see it, with Radfield present there is no way Palmar is going to be lynched - which is one thing I definitely do not want to see at the moment - so I see no reason for me to change my vote unless necessary.

On June 14 2012 00:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
FWIW GreY, I read the bolded as "Because Radfield, someone who is supporting Palmar, is here, Palmar isn't going to be lynched. Because this is something I'd like to avoid (because Palmar is my lynch of chocie) I'm leaving my vote on Palmar"

On June 14 2012 00:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's an odd way of looking at votes. "If you're not voting for who gets lynched, your vote doesn't matter"

Everyone's vote matters, whether they're voting with the majority or not.

On June 14 2012 06:53 Hesmyrr wrote:
Looks like people are holding some misconceptions. In response to gonzaw's post, firstly, my case is not entirely based on RNG but the fact that he'd been indecisive and have not been scum-hunting at that moment. This objection became alleviated on the future which is why I struggled a bit on the deadline since I had no clear suspect to comfortably push for.

My post in page 19 is not pointless. Like I stated I did not have any scum-read (at least one I believed I could push for with logic) except the fact that I did not want to see Palmar lynched. I also still thought VisceraEyes had reasonable chance of flipping scum while I had null read on MZ, so I tried to determine what to do using vote associatons. At that point BrownBear was unreasonably pushing for Palmar lynch and the post I quoted stood out as weak, passive defense of MZ. Thus I considered the possibility of BrownBear-MZ scum team therefore asked BB to flesh out his response to better. Unfortunately he then went afk for rest of the day so I dropped it.

What do you mean I barely mentioned MZ and Palmar? I was perhaps wishy-washy at that time, but one point I made clear was that I did not want to see Palmar lynched. I've repeatedly stated that was my primary objective. I did want to lynch VisceraEyes over MZ, but "I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet" a.k.a. I had no smoking gun that was going to persuade people, since others have dismissed my original argument and there wasn't much else to add. In fact the post you have quoted is continuation of my argument for VisceraEyes lynch. I noticed the suspicious interaction between him and Radfield, and tried to ascertain scumminess of those two by probing his response. Note that I actively start pressuring Radfield for his response thereafter. You bring up MZ repeatedly, but I do NOT have to wreck my brain trying to confirm him alignment. If VE become further scummy, then MZ definitely becomes town. Too bad you dismissed my last post since that's the conclusion you so sorely demand; between those two at least Radfield emerged greatly scummy.

Due to time constraints I am not going to be write proper analysis for today. I will post it on June 15, 2 ~ 3 KST.

On June 15 2012 04:43 gonzaw wrote:


Could you explain why "rad looks a bit bad" then?

@Palmar: You didn't unvote (it doesn't count...I think).

Hmm, I agree that VE is pretty townie and Rad would easily catch it...but he did say that "after rereading VE doesn't look so bad", so I'm not sure if he's being "blatantly and probably maliciously wrong".
What I'm concerned about is how he spent all Day 2 making promises and only defending himself but then he imploded and said he wouldn't do shit.



CHAOSER WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU?

On June 15 2012 06:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
EBWOP

Vote's so nice, I had to do it twice.

On June 15 2012 11:15 gonzaw wrote:
Oh people, another thing:


Beware of who scum push. Scum HAVE to lynch the SK at some point, and I doubt they'll be happy leaving him alive forever and let him be the last lynch since if they ever get to close to victory he can shoot into them.
So I think that scum may have started to or may start to push for a SK lynch (as in, they genuinely believe someone is SK and are pushing for his lynch, they could always be wrong about who they believe is SK though).

I dunno why but my gut feeling says that's what's happening with Wiggles/other people pushing chaoser.

But like I said, I'll reread things later so take this with a grain of salt it's just a hunch.

On June 15 2012 11:52 gonzaw wrote:


Finding the SK, what else?

On June 15 2012 12:01 gonzaw wrote:
No, that's not true.

For instance, scum could very well do with me surviving until a 2-2 phase, they don't give a shit as long as they kill/lynch other townies.

So they don't really give a shit about killing me or forcing my lynch, but they'd do it only if it's in their best interests.

However, they NEED to kill the SK, it's not just one guy they can take care of only if it benefits them. They actively need to search for him, and not only that, but need to get him lynched (since he's bulletproof at night).

So yeah, scum will most likely start to hunt the SK and force his lynch, and I don't see how it isn't be good for town to know this.


I wonder what you think of Hes' flip Grey though, and what made you start this conversation in the first place (do you think I'm scum for bringing it up?)