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*sigh*
This is pointless.
There is a chance you are just stubborn town, so if you are don't fuck this up Greymist.
I'll follow chaoser's advice and stop cloggin up the thread harrassing you.
I'm still waiting for Radfield, Wiggles and Palmar to post their thoughts about this whole thing.
On June 11 2012 13:14 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 13:09 gonzaw wrote:On June 11 2012 12:58 GreYMisT wrote:On June 11 2012 12:42 gonzaw wrote:
Okay Grey, do know that I don't have a "tunneling vendetta" against you or anything, you just seem to completely avoid the issues being brought on against you (lack of reads/analysis, creating suspicions, being "neutral", etc) and divert attention.
Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to):
What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ?
Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not?
Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear?
Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ?
Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious?
If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation..
If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything). Surely you didnt read the 2 samples I provided, or reread the entire thread in that short amount of time. I saw the case on VE, but i was a bit busy being tunneled. Basically my play comes down to me wanting to not spew gibberish all over the thread. I like to be a bit more sure about what I say. In the past I have even gotten in trouble as town, and derailed discussion for a full day because I changed my mind on a vote once. But I'm getting off topic, just wanted you to know my opinion on that. As far as the case on VE, I feel as though it is pretty well thought out. If you read a page before it, I actually comment on the post that the case is largely based on. Overall I feel that it is not a good enough reason to condemn someone at the moment. You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum. In my eyes he is a player who was clearly in the thread, but chose not to comment on anything. Nothing more. *sigh* Why don't you stop worrying about "spewing gibbreish all over the thread" and just answer the questions and contribute? Seriously, if I was town and I knew I was a possibly misslynch then I would give two shits about "trying to play correctly" and I'd try to convince people I'm town, because as much as "I don't want town to get into trouble", they would certainly get into one if they misslynched me. That would be the case if answering those questions, providing more reasoning behind your votes/reads, and commenting on what's happening in the thread was "spewing gibberish"....which is not.....it's actually the opposite. So you say that you want us to take a step back to analyse you and ask you questions, but when we do you get all defensive on our asses and do shit all? What kind of town plead is that? You tell me to not say "If i were scum I would definatly not do X" but that is your soft defense of Ace right there. You say that Ace would definatly not be playing like he is right now if he were scum No, they are completely different things. Ace is not doing anything disruptive, and because of the appliance of meta it means he's likely town. There's nothing "absurd" there. Not only that, but he didn't even use it to "confirm" his towniness. Ace never said "Hey guys see how I'm not causing chaos nor creating suspicion among yourselves? Do you see it? Yes that means I'm confirmed town okay bye". However, you certainly did (that Ace bit was a hyperbole so don't nit-pick). he doesn't need to, you are doing it for him. Anyway, done with you for now. You keep saying "Prove your towniness" but accuse me of getting defensive. Speaking of doing shit all I would like you to answer the questions you posed to me in your most recent accusation. We'll talk later
I'd tell you to just read the thread, but I'm being nice:
Okay Grey, do know that I don't have a "tunneling vendetta" against you or anything, you just seem to completely avoid the issues being brought on against you (lack of reads/analysis, creating suspicions, being "neutral", etc) and divert attention. Okay then, I'll ask you some questions then (although I was hoping you'd post your opinion on them without being asked to):What are your thoughts on the current discussion? Do you agree with Hesmyrr's case on VE (how the hell did you miss it? ) ?Do you agree with VE's and MZ's "case" against Radfield (again how the hell did you miss it?) ?Do you have a more thorough analysis of Wiggles' play? What about the things we've been mentioning about him? Do you agree with them or not? Why or why not?Why exactly do you think Ace is more suspicious than say...BrownBear?Do you think this would fit Ace's scum play? Do you think he's just trolling or something as scum (unlike his "normal" scum play?) ?Considering Ace played almost exactly like this on Liar Game (and he was town), what would you say about it? Would you still find him suspicious? If you still think he's scum in base of all these, then make a more thorough explanation.. If you are town, you already have lots of opinions...just post them (it shouldn't be too hard...you already own said opinions, you don't have to fake them or anything).
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On June 12 2012 01:08 GreYMisT wrote:I voted Ace in an attempt to study different reactions. The inactivity of a few players really hasn't helped a lot with this plan, but I have gathered a bit: Gonzaw: questions why I would vote for Ace and not other inactive players. I don't think gonzaw is scum Chaoser: Uses my vote as part of his justification to jump onto me after calling Gonzaw's case bad. i can see both town and mafia reasons for doing this. I'm regarding this reaction as a null. Ace: No real reaction other than asking me some questions.
As far as the current, active, players. I agree with Palmar in lynching MZ. I was initially suspicous of him with my post here: Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 13:37 GreYMisT wrote:
And woah woah woah. You are hesitant to vote VE because of misslynching him under completely different circumstances in a different game? But did not follow up on it because I thought he might be using just really bad logic. I like Palmar's argument regarding him though, So i'd be willing to lynch him today. Also chaoser, you never answered my question. who aside from me do you want to lynch?
*sigh* LAL anyone?
I won't support a MZ lynch today, if we still have Greymist, Wiggles and maybe BrownBear still around.
I reread his filter and I don't find him as townie as I thought, but I don't want a bandwagon to form on him now, specially if nobody post why they wouldn't lynch Greymist or Wiggles instead
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting.
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On June 12 2012 02:49 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:On June 12 2012 01:08 GreYMisT wrote:I voted Ace in an attempt to study different reactions. The inactivity of a few players really hasn't helped a lot with this plan, but I have gathered a bit: Gonzaw: questions why I would vote for Ace and not other inactive players. I don't think gonzaw is scum Chaoser: Uses my vote as part of his justification to jump onto me after calling Gonzaw's case bad. i can see both town and mafia reasons for doing this. I'm regarding this reaction as a null. Ace: No real reaction other than asking me some questions.
As far as the current, active, players. I agree with Palmar in lynching MZ. I was initially suspicous of him with my post here: On June 11 2012 13:37 GreYMisT wrote:
And woah woah woah. You are hesitant to vote VE because of misslynching him under completely different circumstances in a different game? But did not follow up on it because I thought he might be using just really bad logic. I like Palmar's argument regarding him though, So i'd be willing to lynch him today. Also chaoser, you never answered my question. who aside from me do you want to lynch? *sigh* LAL anyone? I won't support a MZ lynch today, if we still have Greymist, Wiggles and maybe BrownBear still around. I reread his filter and I don't find him as townie as I thought, but I don't want a bandwagon to form on him now, specially if nobody post why they wouldn't lynch Greymist or Wiggles instead
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there? Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. I should have know that I should have said "I'm going to vote Ace just to see what others will do" along with my vote.
Greymist, I want you to know that I actually think you are town.
I started this "case" and "tunneling" of you to see how VE would react, and get a good read out of him.
He reacted the opposite of what I'd expect him to react as town, so that confirms you as town and VE as scum
Plus VE scumslipped and said he was Vanilla Townie without the owny in the end.
So yeah you are confirmed town and VE is scum, let's lynch VE....
......so, can you see how that doesn't help town at all, specially if you are being suspected yourself?
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On June 12 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait, so you seriously think I'm scum based on my reaction to your retarded "scumslip" post? My role PM doesn't even SAY ANYTHING about townie/y - my claim was a joke based on the fact that I've been claiming early the last few games.
##Vote: MZ
I enjoy these little talks guys.
It was sarcasm (lol I can't believe you guys keep falling for it).
On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off.
You didn't post any thoughts about Greymist nor Wiggles, and the discussion pertaining those 2, for instance
@Meapak: I don't see you doing shit, I may end up supporting your lynch after all.
All these past few posts of you have been you bickering against Palmar and other people and not contributing at all.
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On June 12 2012 04:16 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:01 gonzaw wrote:On June 12 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait, so you seriously think I'm scum based on my reaction to your retarded "scumslip" post? My role PM doesn't even SAY ANYTHING about townie/y - my claim was a joke based on the fact that I've been claiming early the last few games.
##Vote: MZ
I enjoy these little talks guys. It was sarcasm (lol I can't believe you guys keep falling for it). On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. You didn't post any thoughts about Greymist nor Wiggles, and the discussion pertaining those 2, for instance
@Meapak: I don't see you doing shit, I may end up supporting your lynch after all. All these past few posts of you have been you bickering against Palmar and other people and not contributing at all. You know the majority of sarcasm is tone of voice. In a game where we need to take what everyone is saying at close to face value these sarcasm posts really only serve to muddy the thread. I am more convinced that MZ needs to be lynched today. instead of focusing in on the lynch he instead is attacking the credibility of otheres (Palmar/VE)
It was obvious it was sarcasm as soon as I mentioned the "Vanilla Towny" thing...which is why I did it.
I'd really like you to link those games you've played before (Student mafia was it? Or something)
And I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...mainly because you are active, and trying to do shit...even if that shit is absolutely nothing at all (and because nobody is pushing you right now and doing so would most likely mean me tunneling you and shitting the thread up).
Who would like a Wiggles or a BrownBear lynch?
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On June 11 2012 14:30 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 04:14 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, do you think that RNG lynching Day 1 gives town a better chance to win the game? Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 04:17 Palmar wrote:
And I didn't think you were dumb enough to not understand why and how. These two posts are enough for me to throw a preliminary vote on Palmar. I don't understand why he is witholding the information of why he exactly thinks RNG is giving town a better chance, and I in fact disagree with him for reasons stated above. Caveat, of course, is I haven't fully read past page 8, and have skimmed the rest due to time constraints so this may change. ##Vote: PalmarInternets are down, posting from a friend's house. They should be fixed tomorrow so I can post more then. On the bright side, new keyboard!
On June 12 2012 05:06 BrownBear on Voting Thread wrote:
ohshit this exists.
##Vote: Palmar
So, you only read up to page 8 and voted Palmar based on that stupid reason (that he hid information about the RNG).
So..I assume that now you've read the rest of the thread....yet you still vote Palmar?
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On June 12 2012 05:10 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:09 gonzaw wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 BrownBear wrote:On June 11 2012 04:14 Radfield wrote:
Palmar, do you think that RNG lynching Day 1 gives town a better chance to win the game? On June 11 2012 04:14 Palmar wrote:
yes. On June 11 2012 04:17 Palmar wrote:
And I didn't think you were dumb enough to not understand why and how. These two posts are enough for me to throw a preliminary vote on Palmar. I don't understand why he is witholding the information of why he exactly thinks RNG is giving town a better chance, and I in fact disagree with him for reasons stated above. Caveat, of course, is I haven't fully read past page 8, and have skimmed the rest due to time constraints so this may change. ##Vote: PalmarInternets are down, posting from a friend's house. They should be fixed tomorrow so I can post more then. On the bright side, new keyboard! On June 12 2012 05:06 BrownBear on Voting Thread wrote:
ohshit this exists.
##Vote: Palmar So, you only read up to page 8 and voted Palmar based on that stupid reason (that he hid information about the RNG). So..I assume that now you've read the rest of the thread....yet you still vote Palmar? I'm in the middle of posting something larger. Jesus christ you guys move fast.
Do it quickly, in 15 minutes I'm leaving for uni and I think I'll be back after the deadline (if it's in 3 hours).
Okay, this MZ lynch had no resistance at all, and I'm wary of that.
Grey is more active, and well, he's not doing shit but it seems he's doing that on purpose, and I've read part of his Election filter and apparently it's his thing.
I'll wait until BB says what he has to say. If what he says is not satisfactory I'll vote him, if not I'll vote Wiggles.
Everybody seems to find Wiggles suspicious but nobody seems to do anything about it.
Like I've seen these people find Wiggles suspicious:
-Me
-VE
-Grey
-chaoser (I think)
And some others if I recall correctly; yet he's getting away with it.
I think Wiggles would be a better lynch than MZ
I want more feedback about this, at this point I doubt MZ will flip scum (maybe he could flip SK, but I think it's kind of unlikely as well).
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@BB: You've read the rest of the game right? What are your thoughts on grey, MZ, and Wiggles, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of those 3?
Why do you find Palmar suspicious because of some stupid RNG thing? Why don't you look at the cases that have been brought up in the thread?
You were the one that wanted to "spark discussion", yet now you are dampering it by continuing to argue about some useless RNG thing
I'll change my vote to you until then:
##Unvote: Greymist
##Vote: BrownBear
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Radfield is still fucking missing, and he still hasn't posted any real contributions.
When I asked him for his thoughts about Grey, Wiggles, Palmar, etc, he said "It's too early to talk about this"...but now that it is not in fact "too early to talk about this" he's not here.
Fuck.
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On June 12 2012 05:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:01 gonzaw wrote:On June 12 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait, so you seriously think I'm scum based on my reaction to your retarded "scumslip" post? My role PM doesn't even SAY ANYTHING about townie/y - my claim was a joke based on the fact that I've been claiming early the last few games.
##Vote: MZ
I enjoy these little talks guys. It was sarcasm (lol I can't believe you guys keep falling for it). On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. You didn't post any thoughts about Greymist nor Wiggles, and the discussion pertaining those 2, for instance
@Meapak: I don't see you doing shit, I may end up supporting your lynch after all. All these past few posts of you have been you bickering against Palmar and other people and not contributing at all. Wiggles said he was afk. I don't condone shit like that (I think it's cheating to explain your in-game actions with out of game actions), lynching him would basically be a lurker lynch. If we had nothing better, then sure. I think you're more likely to be scum than Greymist gonz, and thus I don't want to lynch greymist right now.
Wiggles has posted some things that were scummy (in my opinion). Check my filter for them, or just check his filter.
Do you have any specific thoughts on that behaviour of his? Or do you think it's irrelevant.
Do you think I'm scum, or just that I'm more likely to be scum than greymist? (you can think both of us are town in the 2nd case).
What do you think of BrownBear? Would you be willing to lynch him now?
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Okay BrownBear you are clearly active, you know I'm leaving in a few minutes yet you refuse to answer or even defend yourself (most likely so then I leave, you keep lurking and the lynch is on MZ or something).
It seems you are doing this on purpose.
Everybody, I'd want you to switch your vote to BrownBear.
His first posts were him discussing random fluff about the RNG deal; but again everybody did this.
Then he posted this:
On June 11 2012 03:39 BrownBear wrote:
and radfield, who ninja'd me to a certain extent.
so, let's spark some real discussion. chaoser, what do you have against ace this game. question mark goes here.
He wanted to "spark some real discussion", yet he's been absent since then.
Not only that, he wants to "spark some real discussion", yet now that he's active and real discussion did take place, he doesn't care about it and just dwells back on the RNG thing, failing to comment on anything else.
Not only that, his FoS on Palmar is stupid as fuck. You don't base your D1 vote on someone's opinion on RNG/policy lynches/etc, specially if you have millions of things to take into account about said player, like Palmar's FoS and vote on MZ for instance.
Yet BB completely fails to acknowledge Palmar's behaviour at all and just focuses on Palmar "withholding information about the benefits of RNG".
Seriously?
Again, he fails to comment on the Greymist or MZ issue at all; he only said that he wouldn't vote MZ because he agrees with me that the MZ lynch has no resistance at all.
However he doesn't comment on it at all.
Again, take notice how now he disappeared again.
Please lynch him, at least if you guys don't want to lynch Wiggles, I prefer him getting lynched over Meapak
Lynch BrownBear please
Okay I'm leaving
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I'd lynch Radfield for lurking like fuck in a serious game like this as well.
...but well if he's town he'll get killed on N1 and if he lives after D2 he's automatically scum, right? (that's how Radfield works...right?
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So...I see everybody decided to ignore me and misslynch
K koo
(got back earlier from uni, missed a class  )
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I want EVERYBODY to explain why they just ignored my vote on BB and my "case" (albeit a very rushed one, since I had to go to uni in like 10 minutes when I started to make it).
Greymist was the only one that said something, the rest of you just completely ignored me 
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Oh so I see BB made a "case" right after I left >_>
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2012 05:33 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:17 gonzaw wrote:
@BB: You've read the rest of the game right? What are your thoughts on grey, MZ, and Wiggles, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of those 3?
Why do you find Palmar suspicious because of some stupid RNG thing? Why don't you look at the cases that have been brought up in the thread?
You were the one that wanted to "spark discussion", yet now you are dampering it by continuing to argue about some useless RNG thing
I'll change my vote to you until then:
##Unvote: Greymist
##Vote: BrownBear You see, I'm not dampering discussion. I'm pointing out that Palmar is. I'm not sure why you don't understand this. Let me throw up a few examples. Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 06:14 Palmar wrote:
Just for the record, I think MZ failed already and I'd be willing to lynch him.
Piggybacking on Greymist's thoughts on RNG to express your own thoughts while making sure you're not the original argument for the idea is terrible.
Let's do this. Post contributes nothing. Great, MZ "failed" by agreeing with Greymist? How about you explain some more exactly why and how he failed? How about you provide a logical, well constructed argument about why Greymist and MZ are "wrong" rather than just say "welp, they don't agree with me, they fail, LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH". So instead of complaining about it, why don't you change it bro? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 01:42 Palmar wrote:
I would have to re-read chaoser to form an opinion on him, Radfield has been fairly towny which is why I was annoyed at him for being thick. Too many people are just content with not doing anything though. "Thick" is not an accusation many would say about Radfield, particularly players who have actually played with him. There's a reason scum target him early on rather than let him play entire games. I think he's just as confused as I am - he wants to know your reasoning for supporting RNGs. I do too. Let's hear them? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 02:03 Palmar wrote:
a) screw you for suggesting I'm not playing
b) I'm perfectly aware what you were responding to, that doesn't make what I said untrue. This is the response of someone who's actually worried that they look like they aren't playing. If Palmar were playing and were secure in this fact, why wouldn't he just link to a bunch of his earlier posts where he was playing and contributing? That would be a much more airtight defense than a simple "screw you". Also, Palmar's too smart to mistake the volume of posts he's posted for actual, meaningful contribution. He's posted like 25 times: I count maybe 2 or 3 of those that are actually useful to town. This is a classic scum tactic (I used it in Mafia XXX, if you're curious) where volume makes a player look active, while clever words or subtle rehashes of earlier topics disguise the fact that none of the posts have much meaningful substance to them. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:45 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 12 2012 02:03 Palmar wrote:
a) screw you for suggesting I'm not playing
b) I'm perfectly aware what you were responding to, that doesn't make what I said untrue. lol what you said is untrue. Direct quote: Now, about VisceraEyes, there isn't a case against him yet . So does hesmyrr not count? I await with baited breath for you to explain to me how it doesn't count... probably should add in a reference to how stupid I am as well eh? When I say "there isn't a case on X" it means that I don't think there is a valid case to be put forth against that person. For example BrownBear and Ace, while both completely fucking useless so far in the game, neither has a valid case against him. That won't change even if some internet warrior writes a "case" on them. Direct attack on me and Ace aside, isn't the point of mafia to build cases on people? A weak case is still a case, saying it isn't is stifling town discussion. If you think a case is weak, rather than dismiss it out of hand, you should maybe point out the weaknesses in it or the holes in logic. This builds town cohesion and stronger cases. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. Direct attack against another town player (gonzaw) trying to shut down a valid point: Palmar ISN'T PLAYING THIS GAME. He's trying to appear that he is, and he's trying to tie up town conversations he doesn't like by directly flaming the people making them, but he is not contributing anything meaningful of his own. Now, some people may say "oh, that's how Palmar plays lol" but that shouldn't be acceptable. Like I said earlier - his behavior is a cancer to the town. We need to either cut it out or ignore it.
How do you know I'm town?
BrownBear, you say Palmar's behaviour is "cancerous to town". Yeah it may be.
However, do you think he's scum or not?
I don't think I remember you explicitly saying you thought Palmar was scum/SK.
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Greymist, what's your take in this whole situation?
On June 12 2012 07:30 GreYMisT wrote:
Ok caught up, and have a few things. I Don't like the case on Palmar right now. And the case on BrownBear by Gonzaw amounts to him being abscent, absent BB said he would be due to no internet. With Wiggles gone due to exams or something (hasnt been on steam either so he really has been gone) I still feel my lynch today rests with MZ.
I know your vote on Ace was "phony"....but do you actually think he's town for not including him in that list of lynch candidates you did?
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On June 12 2012 08:52 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 08:28 gonzaw wrote:Oh so I see BB made a "case" right after I left >_> + Show Spoiler +On June 12 2012 05:33 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 05:17 gonzaw wrote:
@BB: You've read the rest of the game right? What are your thoughts on grey, MZ, and Wiggles, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of those 3?
Why do you find Palmar suspicious because of some stupid RNG thing? Why don't you look at the cases that have been brought up in the thread?
You were the one that wanted to "spark discussion", yet now you are dampering it by continuing to argue about some useless RNG thing
I'll change my vote to you until then:
##Unvote: Greymist
##Vote: BrownBear You see, I'm not dampering discussion. I'm pointing out that Palmar is. I'm not sure why you don't understand this. Let me throw up a few examples. Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 06:14 Palmar wrote:
Just for the record, I think MZ failed already and I'd be willing to lynch him.
Piggybacking on Greymist's thoughts on RNG to express your own thoughts while making sure you're not the original argument for the idea is terrible.
Let's do this. Post contributes nothing. Great, MZ "failed" by agreeing with Greymist? How about you explain some more exactly why and how he failed? How about you provide a logical, well constructed argument about why Greymist and MZ are "wrong" rather than just say "welp, they don't agree with me, they fail, LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH". So instead of complaining about it, why don't you change it bro? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 01:42 Palmar wrote:
I would have to re-read chaoser to form an opinion on him, Radfield has been fairly towny which is why I was annoyed at him for being thick. Too many people are just content with not doing anything though. "Thick" is not an accusation many would say about Radfield, particularly players who have actually played with him. There's a reason scum target him early on rather than let him play entire games. I think he's just as confused as I am - he wants to know your reasoning for supporting RNGs. I do too. Let's hear them? Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 02:03 Palmar wrote:
a) screw you for suggesting I'm not playing
b) I'm perfectly aware what you were responding to, that doesn't make what I said untrue. This is the response of someone who's actually worried that they look like they aren't playing. If Palmar were playing and were secure in this fact, why wouldn't he just link to a bunch of his earlier posts where he was playing and contributing? That would be a much more airtight defense than a simple "screw you". Also, Palmar's too smart to mistake the volume of posts he's posted for actual, meaningful contribution. He's posted like 25 times: I count maybe 2 or 3 of those that are actually useful to town. This is a classic scum tactic (I used it in Mafia XXX, if you're curious) where volume makes a player look active, while clever words or subtle rehashes of earlier topics disguise the fact that none of the posts have much meaningful substance to them. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:45 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On June 12 2012 02:03 Palmar wrote:
a) screw you for suggesting I'm not playing
b) I'm perfectly aware what you were responding to, that doesn't make what I said untrue. lol what you said is untrue. Direct quote: Now, about VisceraEyes, there isn't a case against him yet . So does hesmyrr not count? I await with baited breath for you to explain to me how it doesn't count... probably should add in a reference to how stupid I am as well eh? When I say "there isn't a case on X" it means that I don't think there is a valid case to be put forth against that person. For example BrownBear and Ace, while both completely fucking useless so far in the game, neither has a valid case against him. That won't change even if some internet warrior writes a "case" on them. Direct attack on me and Ace aside, isn't the point of mafia to build cases on people? A weak case is still a case, saying it isn't is stifling town discussion. If you think a case is weak, rather than dismiss it out of hand, you should maybe point out the weaknesses in it or the holes in logic. This builds town cohesion and stronger cases. Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 03:47 Palmar wrote:On June 12 2012 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
@Palmar: So, do you plan on commenting on this shit we've been doing these past few days or will you just try to live in your own little world up there?
Radfield is still disappeared...interesting. What is it that I should comment on? Can you stop being an asshole and acting as if I'm not playing the game wtf is this shit, I've commented on just about everyone and everything in the game, why do people keep saying I'm not playing. fuck off. Direct attack against another town player (gonzaw) trying to shut down a valid point: Palmar ISN'T PLAYING THIS GAME. He's trying to appear that he is, and he's trying to tie up town conversations he doesn't like by directly flaming the people making them, but he is not contributing anything meaningful of his own. Now, some people may say "oh, that's how Palmar plays lol" but that shouldn't be acceptable. Like I said earlier - his behavior is a cancer to the town. We need to either cut it out or ignore it. How do you know I'm town? BrownBear, you say Palmar's behaviour is "cancerous to town". Yeah it may be. However, do you think he's scum or not? I don't think I remember you explicitly saying you thought Palmar was scum/SK. I never did. I'm starting to think he's just BM-style town - annoying, misleading, and should be ignored. However, a couple intentionally misleading things he's done still give me pause. But I'm much less convinced he's definitely red now that I'm less angry at him.
So why did you spend 100% of your time attacking him instead of actually finding scum to lynch?...... 
On June 12 2012 08:53 BrownBear wrote:
And I don't know for sure you're town. I have a leaning green read on you. But why are YOU the one casting suspicion on your own green claim?
What? How am I casting suspicion on me? And why would you care?
I am town, you said I was town. Therefore your assertion was correct.
My question: was how did you know that?
*pstt* *pstt* I was trying to figure out if you just scumslipped or if it was a simple mistake
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Another question:
Does any of you have an idea who the SK might be?
And is there any subtle difference in scum behaviour and SK behaviour? (without taking interactions with scumbuddies into account)
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So....who do you think is scum?
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So you guys say that we shouldn't even bother looking for the SK now, because he'll easily blend in with us trying to figure out who's scum?
I was under the impression he wouldn't try to be too "helpful" because he wouldn't want to bite a bullet from scum, and have them know his identity (and have 1 less night kill that could have helped him achieve his win-condition faster).
Then again he might try to pull a VE from Storm, try to fuck up all scum and not even mind scum shooting him and knowing who he is (or Palmar in Arkham Asylum).
I'm still waiting for your answer Grey.
I've "turned off my confirmation bias" to give you another chance and the benefit of the doubt, don't make me regret that decision.
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