Dude you almost gave me a headache rereading your filter each time and trying to figure out if you were scum or not.

Also...now I see why Rad didn't immediately go for a prplhz lynch (I thought that if he was scum/SK he'd take the initiative and just go lynch whoever he wanted, since nobody suspected him at that point, there was no activity and he could do whatever he wanted).

I guess Rad thought that prplhz could be town so he wanted to figure out who the scum was. Since he already used his KP, misslynching a townie wouldn't put him in an "automatic victory" like I speculated, which means he'd still need to lynch scum with 2 less suspects and that would have been hard.
I don't know why he backed off a Wiggles lynch though (maybe he wasn't sure Wiggles was scum?).

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

June 21 2012 03:33 GMT

#990

On June 21 2012 12:30 GreYMisT wrote:
When you get that aggressive on a player that early on, its almost impossible for them to not appear mafia

It wasn't just then, it was later as well when I reread the thread/filters.
Like you were so passive the whole time I had a hard time not pinpointing you as scum. Luckily I found some tiny bits and stuff that made me think you were most likely town (for instance you backing off Radfield on D3, and some other stuff).

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

June 21 2012 04:05 GMT

#992

Meh I firmly believed in my Hes case. His case on VE was bad and then he just appeared sporadically to accuse Rad and VE of being scum together and then immediately disappeared.

Also in hindsight I could have voted Palmar instead of BB on D1 to get Palmar lynched......but well I thought he was town then

Well, waiting for iGrok's analysis then

EDIT: Oh yeah, why did you guys kill VE on N2?

Since Wiggles was scum and I was saying "We'll lynch Wiggles on D3 no matter what" the whole night I thought if he was actually scum I'd get shot instead (which is another thing that made me think he was town later).

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

June 21 2012 05:03 GMT

#994

I guess I always overestimate scum's decision making and stuff each game >_>

I kind of think that each game scum have these "talks" where they discuss everything, about who to kill, about what plans to make, what to do, etc.

....maybe I'm the only one that does that as scum >_>

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

June 21 2012 05:49 GMT

#997

On June 21 2012 14:20 iGrok wrote:
I don't really have analysis.

gonzaw played excellently. People are too scared of Ace, not because he can't figure everything out, but because he doesn't like to babysit players. Radfield is fucking scary. VE is really good as well. Honestly I think most people played really well this game.

Well...I lead a misslynch on Hes and had my 2 last reads utterly wrong, so I'm not exactly that happy with my play (although I wasn't alive to lead that last misslynch, so I guess it could have been worse >_> )

@Prob: Yeah I think he was talking about Palmar, perhaps this post:

On June 15 2012 04:38 Palmar wrote:
yeah i wont be able to get this together today. voting radfield for being blatantly and probably maliciously wrong about visceraeyes.

Or maybe it was this:

On June 14 2012 10:17 Radfield wrote:
blech I suck. coast coast coast, lurk lurk lurk, post post post. One day I will have time, but that day is not this day.

EDIT: I don't know if he included the SK in that "scum" thing he said...meh I guess he meant real scum.

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

June 21 2012 05:52 GMT

#998

On June 21 2012 14:25 Probulous wrote:

Show nested quote +

It depends on your team. Ive had the same experience and it is really frustrating. I'm thinking the best solution if you're scum and this happens is to ignore the fact that you have a team and play like a you normally would. If that means bussing your non-responsive team mate on day 1, so be it. But yeah as town it it is always a waste of time to try and work out what scum are thinking because ultimately you are guessing.

Yeah because of that I started thinking "Wiggles nor Grey are scum because they would have shot me. Not only that if scum was someone else they would have shot me as well, so them killing VE was them taking the piss on us and just killing whoever they wanted because they are comfortable, a Wiggles+Palmar team wouldn't be comfortable therefore Wiggles wasn't scum", so I doubt I would have figured out Wiggles was scum even if I was left alive

gonzaw

Uruguay4911 Posts

June 21 2012 06:50 GMT

#1000

On June 21 2012 15:26 Probulous wrote:

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Which if you think about it has nothing to do with his posting. Your thinking was the reverse of what I would expect. It seems like you were saying "Wiggles is scummy as hell but I am still alive and his posts don't fit with the night actions so he must be town." It's the wrong way round.

Wiggles is always scummy as hell

Well....the thing is that if scum did talk that night I think they would have killed me
I just assumed they talked these things through and it wasn't Palmar randomly choosing VE as the kill just because (maybe because VE was pushing Palmar the most out of the remaining players).

I guess if we had to make a hierachy of evidence it would go

Votes / Actions
Posts / Logic
Meta
Scum/SK night actions / Connections / Interactions and other such stuff

Thoughts?

So that means that if Radfield is alive by endgame he's not scum?

Meh I just use everything at once. I don't say "Oh X voted a townie->He's scum even though his posts make sense"; you have to take everything into account.

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