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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
June 22 2012 13:53 GMT
#1341
It was asked and answered earlier, roleblock does not stop sk kp, so he could still shoot.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
June 22 2012 16:13 GMT
#1342
On June 22 2012 22:53 rastaban wrote:
It was asked and answered earlier, roleblock does not stop sk kp, so he could still shoot.

if that's the case it was a town win all long :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 22 2012 16:18 GMT
#1343
lord almighty this was a silly game.

I played pretty terrible though. My heart wasn't in it.

If MZ had shot supersoft instead of goading him (lol) we might have had a chance. I would have shot D3, and he would have shot again D4 to win the game. Then again I'm sure zentor would have figured out what was going on and shot into one of us so who knows.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
June 22 2012 16:46 GMT
#1344
On June 22 2012 01:35 Zealos wrote:
Not to mention he has mr in his name, so he's probably going to be lying.

YO! That's not cool!

:p

Anyways, thanks for hosting Ace. I'm sorry I didn't give this game the attention it deserved, but I had to duck out for the first bit and then the spam and real-time nature made it hard to get back into it.

GG Town!
you gotta dance
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
June 22 2012 17:32 GMT
#1345
On June 23 2012 01:46 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 01:35 Zealos wrote:
Not to mention he has mr in his name, so he's probably going to be lying.

YO! That's not cool!

:p

Anyways, thanks for hosting Ace. I'm sorry I didn't give this game the attention it deserved, but I had to duck out for the first bit and then the spam and real-time nature made it hard to get back into it.

GG Town!

At that point I just wanted to spam it up so dirk and zentor couldn't have a conversation
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3575 Posts
June 22 2012 17:33 GMT
#1346
What was the mafia/obs qt btw?
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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
June 22 2012 18:39 GMT
#1347
On June 22 2012 20:11 supersoft wrote:
should have happened like this:

dirk roleblocks zentor and shoots RoL. Next day: nothing happens, next night: Dirk shoots and roleblocks zentor, next day: nothing, next night: dirk shoots zealos
it was a guaranteed win.



Zealos had a gun didn't he? His bullet would regenerate at this point wouldn't it?

Also yeah if the RB doesn't RB the SK bullet then it wouldn't matter

On June 22 2012 21:41 MrZentor wrote:
I feel like Dirk should have been replaced, so we would have had a chance of winning...



....you had like 99% chances of winning had you shot at day
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 22 2012 19:00 GMT
#1348
ahem
On June 15 2012 20:11 supersoft wrote:
Zentor is town. You point out bad play. none of this is a scumtell. How could allow Ace that you take WBGs spot.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 19:33 layabout wrote:
I will be back in a few hours


not necessary if you keep up this play :-(

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 19:33 layabout wrote:
There needs to be some sort of public consensus about who gets shot and who shoots.


oh boy please... are you scum or what?

.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
June 22 2012 19:26 GMT
#1349
I never said so but i was sat my last A-level exams this week. And yet i was still more active than most of you. WTF?

Because of this i didn't have too much time to read the thread think things through and make (what i hope were) good posts. I also spent a little too much time going over hypothetical situations and this only served to confuse me. Despite this i still made much better notes than i have in the past.

If i had been reading the thread more carefully then i would never have made this post:
On June 17 2012 09:25 layabout wrote:
I think we should make use of the daytime before shooting.

I doubt that Meapak is a godfather.
+ Show Spoiler +
I think it has already been said but talismania's role makes the existence of a godfather role very unlikely (although set-up speculation and trying to second guess the host is a little dodgy).

When you consider the power of the godfather role one can't help but feel that Meapak being a godfather would be absurd.( A godfather can daykill town to end the day and use their nightkill.)


I doubt that Meapak is the SK.
+ Show Spoiler +
If there was no medic protect then i fail to see why Meapak would do what he did as an SK.

If no one claims a medic protect then it is unlikely that he is an SK.


If that is the case then Meapak is probably town.
+ Show Spoiler +
His shot was reckless and recklessness is more of a town trait than a mafia one This is because mafia often feel like have to act carefully and think things through thoroughly before acting


Why? Because i would have noticed this:

On June 12 2012 17:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 15:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm wondering what's likely here:

RoL is SK who fake-claimed Miller to avoid DT checks and claimed to have his gun taken so he can't make good on his promise to shoot Toad...

...or...

RoL is Miller who actually had his gun taken away.

Anyone wanna wildly speculate with me? RoL I'm guessing you're still firmly in the "Miller" camp...

Wait help me follow the logic here, if RoL is SK then he has to shoot, so he fakes having his gun stolen and shoots FreelanceSatan. Scum take a shot at him and he gets saved?

It does seem possible, and I wouldn't put it past RoL to pull something ballsy like that. I'm very leery of the "my gun is stolen claim." Whatever happened, it's certain he doesn't have a gun now but that doesn't preclude him being sk and faking in a ballsy manner.

I'd like for someone to summarize the major points on gonzaw, using quotes if that's possible. From what I saw, bugs wanted to kill him and several people pilled on.

Also this post is actually kinda bad and I'm surprised I'm the only one with a problem with it.

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 07:56 kitaman27 wrote:
The biggest problem with setups where so many people have guns is the town's lack of organization. It eventually ends up in a trollfest, where townies shoot each other, while the scum team sits in the background without attracting much attention. If you are town, don't forget to submit your vote for a 48 hour day cycle.

If you shoot five minutes into the game, you will be shot day two.
If you shoot within the first 24 hours of a cycle, you will be shot the following cycle
If you shoot without the town's consensus, you will be shot

I don't care if you shoot a mafia player. If you break one of those three rules, you will be shot in return.

I support a miller claim on day one. If they fail to claim on day one, then they get shot if they claim miller at any point after d1. Millers shouldn't claim night one as it assists the mafia team with blue sniping.

It seems very unlikey that the mafia team has two godfather type roles. Based on the way the shot cooldown works, they would be able to day kill four consecutive days. Combined with the six night kills that come with their deaths and lynches, thats a 2:10 trade, assuming there isn't a SK or town night vig role. I like chaoser's plan of forcing certain players to shoot, but I wouldn't leave it up to them to decide their own target. By shooting early and often, the mafia godfather gets the most out of his role. We shouldn't allow a random player to shoot at will.


Kita do you realize that the people shooting will most likely be townies? You're advocating for the death of lots of greens on the chance that you catch the gf or sk. I agree we need accountability but shooting people who step out of line like that isn't going to work. I made a post before this about holding ourselves accountable with I'll just repost here now:

Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 06:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Can we agree right now to not go rogue and shoot without discussion? There needs to be some deliberation behind peoples shots. If everyone just goes rambo then we'll never actually get a chance to scumhunt.


Discussion is the key. Perhaps that sounds a bit kumbaya, but you have to realize that if you shoot people just because they made an unauthorized shot you're probably going to hit a disgruntled townie.

I'd also be interested in seeing you post more kita.

When Meapak explicitly asks "Can we agree right now to not go rogue and shoot without discussion?" and then goes rogue and shoots a "player with a green check from flipped cop that had just shot a gun-holding mafia" without any discussion it should have been perfectly clear that he was not town.

lesson: Don't get lazy. Be thorough.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 20:11:12
June 22 2012 20:10 GMT
#1350
something about this game really made me lurk harder than ever. might be cause i had a gun

and i didnt even get to use it -_-
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
June 22 2012 21:18 GMT
#1351
On June 23 2012 04:00 layabout wrote:
ahem
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 20:11 supersoft wrote:
Zentor is town. You point out bad play. none of this is a scumtell. How could allow Ace that you take WBGs spot.

On June 15 2012 19:33 layabout wrote:
I will be back in a few hours


not necessary if you keep up this play :-(

On June 15 2012 19:33 layabout wrote:
There needs to be some sort of public consensus about who gets shot and who shoots.


oh boy please... are you scum or what?

.


i am really bad at pointing out SKs.
:D
i knew he wasnt scum though.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-22 21:36:07
June 22 2012 21:34 GMT
#1352
Thanks for hosting Ace and deconduo!

Quicktopic link?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
June 23 2012 03:43 GMT
#1353
Nooooooooo so close i play better when I'm not...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 04:15:05
June 23 2012 04:11 GMT
#1354
On June 23 2012 03:39 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 20:11 supersoft wrote:
should have happened like this:

dirk roleblocks zentor and shoots RoL. Next day: nothing happens, next night: Dirk shoots and roleblocks zentor, next day: nothing, next night: dirk shoots zealos
it was a guaranteed win.



Zealos had a gun didn't he? His bullet would regenerate at this point wouldn't it?

Also yeah if the RB doesn't RB the SK bullet then it wouldn't matter

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 21:41 MrZentor wrote:
I feel like Dirk should have been replaced, so we would have had a chance of winning...



....you had like 99% chances of winning had you shot at day


That's if I knew that he wouldn't shoot me the night before, and I really didn't feel like staying up that late......

Also, I had a terrible amount of fun making ridiculous cases against random people and having other random people defend my bad play. :D

SK is the greatest role ever.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 06:31:25
June 23 2012 06:31 GMT
#1355
On June 22 2012 16:14 rastaban wrote:
YAY!!!!! Thanks ROL for the win, So glad I saved you N0

....TEAMWORK?

Me and Rastaban actually planned this entire end game out since day 1.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
June 23 2012 06:32 GMT
#1356
On June 23 2012 05:10 Kenpachi wrote:
something about this game really made me lurk harder than ever. might be cause i had a gun

and i didnt even get to use it -_-

I should of shot you.
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
June 23 2012 08:15 GMT
#1357
On June 19 2012 01:31 payl wrote:
I will make the assumption that sk cannot shoot both day/night - that would be grossly unfair
- we have had two deaths every night except for n0 (where rol claimed hit) and n2 (where only mr wiggles died)

Two things I want today - before anyone shoots, give target of shot a chance to claim and defend himself
- if someone states they want to shoot you and you have a gun, do not immediately go ahead and shoot that person - that other player could possibly be misguided town rather than scum trying to pull a quick one

Obviously, nobody shoots rol. And rol should not be the shooter, we already know that he can shoot.

Since I expect the rest of you to try to draw conclusions based on gun claim information, I will now claim to be able to shoot. Since my claim is the latest, and arguably least trustworthy in this respect, I should be the actual shooter today. I will choose a tenative target to shoot in awhile.

Here's what we have:
rol has fired his gun
zealos, layabout, kenpachi, toads, payl claim to have guns
dirkzor, mrzentor have not claimed guns


I'd like to note that if we have a watcher or any other blue, then at least one player claiming to have a gun (that can shoot during the day) is lying.


Note to self: Whoever claims to have a gun most likely have a gun.

GG guys. I'm sorry I couldn't be here in the end (Just landed in Copenhagen airport 3 hours ago). It was a really good setup. The play however wasnt that impressive. The SK role is perfect for Zentor since everyone just thought he was bad... :D

Mafia QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/HcF46KNuKSW

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 23 2012 09:13 GMT
#1358
zentor the problem is your cases are ridiculous when you're town so it's hard to distinguish
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 09:51:30
June 23 2012 09:51 GMT
#1359
Observers' Cafe

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/Rh4Y4S5QpNRAH

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-23 11:28:02
June 23 2012 11:25 GMT
#1360
Oh and btw the ecnrypted messages with Supersoft were just us kidding around. Nothing of importance in there.

#1 had Äpfel as key and the message was basicly "lol just kidding. I wanted to fool the guys from the US because they have to search the capital "Ä" [for the key] somewhere to decrypt this thing :p"

#2 had the key Özil and Supersoft asking wether or not I'm watching the game (Ger vs Ned that evening) and told me he thinks it's going to be 3-0 or 3-1 for us. And that if I'm town this conversation makes us look so scummy noone would shoot into us.

#3 had the key Bratwurstbratgerät and I basicly said something along the lines
"Well idk. The game vs portugal wasn't exactly convincing but holland failed quite badly as well. I'd say it's going to be a 2-1 for us [epic Toad is epic, it was 2-1]... blabla about how we always start horrible and get better every single game in tournaments and if we'd start with a 3-0 there'd be no room for improvements.

Idk why this [encrypted conversation] is supposed to be scummy, we're drawing a lot of attention but I guess at least my meta is drawing attention as both town and mafia

[...]blabla don't know what to think about Rastaban. My first post was obviously a joke and so was Marvs post. Not sure what to make of his post and if that was a joke as well or not because clearly marv thinks / knows I am town so far saying 'Toad isn't shooting anyone today', so that one post had to be a joke.

Maybe I'm even going to be shot by mafia because they think I'm to lazy to breadcrum and am putting blue stuff in here"
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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