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On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Look at what he wrote. He said that he had townie reads on everyone, but less so of a townie read on Mouldy Jeb. That's bullshit; nobody has zero scum reads. And then he comes back later with some cases, which he apparently didn't feel like coming out with when he voted for someone he thought was townie.
We can either lynch Zealos or we can lynch Tunkeg. There's a huge fucking difference between people who write tons of fake crap and don't care about their votes (Tunkeg and Zealos) and people who don't post anything at all (Zelblade).
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Urm. You say no-one has zero scum reads. Lets look at yours:
Push tunkeg with shit case. Continue to push tunkeg with even worse case. Jump on a Zealos bandwagon.
Who is on your scumteam scummy scum?
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On May 25 2012 04:54 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 04:41 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 04:38 HiroPro wrote:
Look at what he wrote. He said that he had townie reads on everyone, but less so of a townie read on Mouldy Jeb. That's bullshit; nobody has zero scum reads. And then he comes back later with some cases, which he apparently didn't feel like coming out with when he voted for someone he thought was townie.
We can either lynch Zealos or we can lynch Tunkeg. There's a huge fucking difference between people who write tons of fake crap and don't care about their votes (Tunkeg and Zealos) and people who don't post anything at all (Zelblade). Urm. You say no-one has zero scum reads. Lets look at yours: Push tunkeg with shit case. Continue to push tunkeg with even worse case. Jump on a Zealos bandwagon. Who is on your scumteam scummy scum? You don't even say anything legitimate about faults in my Tunkeg case. I already answered the doubts that VE and marv had about my case: 1. VE Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:08 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hiro, your case is pretty bad, I'll summarize it here:
- Pre-game, claimed he wanted to change up his style
- Attempting to appear useful and active while not contributing himself
- His scumread died overnight.
First of all, Tunkeg's assertion that his style would be different this game is not indicative of his alignment as he said it (as far as I know) before the roles went out. Are you saying he said this BEFORE he knew he was scum IN CASE he rolled scum so he could subvert his scum meta? That's a stretch, I don't care how you look at it.
Oh that's funny. Cause it's an OUTRIGHT LIE. Tunkeg doesn't mention anything like that before the game starts. That big "I want to change my style. No, no it's not cause I rolled scum. It's because I want to improve my analysis skills" post is after the day 1 post. Are you telling me that Tunkeg didn't know his role at that point. Bullshit. Second, I'm not sure why you attempt to discredit his case against ET, but it seemed well enough thought out, and the points he raised were pretty valid - I had to go back and reread ET to find out if I missed something after reading his case. Yet all you have to say about the case is the following: Show nested quote +In his case, HiroPro wrote:
As for his "case" against ET, lol. Apparently, in Tunkeg world, being an active poster who pressures people is a scum trait. Tunkeg is a faker. All he does is hard-defend ET here - not refute Tunkeg's points or even address the case at all...only buddy up to the one Tunkeg was attacking. That's it. So why was it bad exactly? Do you disagree with his points? Why? 1. Huh this point isn't valid at all. Being active and pressuring is people is what town does. 2. Oh he doesn't your huge list of questions. Maybe cause they're worthless. 3. Ooh. ooh. he wants to take the easy scum targets. Maybe he doesn't want to give cases at nighttime??? 4. Maybe true. But if he was scum, then why the hell would he vote for someone he knows is townie when it doesn't matter??? He would vote for someone else. Bam. Fake case broken down.
And in the future, don't tell people to stop posting like 5th graders if you're just going to post like a 5th grader ("Guys stop talking unless you're gonna talk about me!").
Oh I see. What you have been doing this game other than get into arguments??? 2. Marv Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:19 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 08:10 HiroPro wrote:
Posts cases. Gives reasons. Scum shows up and says "oh but why aren't you trying to convince other people, huh". Stop it. All I get from your case on Tunkeg is that he made a post you didn't like that asked a lot of his questions and his scumread died. Part 2 (ET dying) is wifom-central so I'm going to ignore that for the moment. What else makes him scum other than the fact he made a list of questions you don't like? Did you even read my case. The entire fake first post where he tries to discredit his meta AFTER he got his role. Or the fact that he tries to quietly get Acrofales to go after ET. Or the fact that he doesn't actually try to pressure anyone this game. Even the post where he votes for Mattchew is like "oh this guy might be disruptive townie. or he might be scum". And then he follows with some wishy-washy garbage to cover up for himself
"There is one arguement for not lynching him though, and that is: Would really scum draw this much attention to themself? Most likely not, but in TL Mafia where disruptive players never get lynched it would be a viable strategy. "
"Jump on a Zealos bandwagon"? I read the case Marv had on you. I saw the stupid little shit that you posted to try to discredit me. I actually have legitimate reads and reasons behind my votes, unlike you. I'm not sharing my scum team, when I only have 2 strong reads. Connection stuff is dumb until you actually have dead scum to look at.
Neither of these are cases, and you damn well know it. You're just defending yourself, not putting pressure on them.
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Can one of the vets please read my filter, and then honestly say the only thing that jumps out out them is a few bits and bobs that make me look scummy?
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I can't believe with all the scummy shit going on today that you guys still think I'm the best lynch....
There's still time guys, let's try and hit red today, instead of wasting another day.
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On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.
Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.
But zealos first.
@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today?
Just saw this. In my mind, I can't see hiro flipping anything but red.
Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town.
I also think one of WBG and VE are scum, unless they're playing us like a fiddle and they're both mafia, but I wouldn't feel comfortable lynching either of them today.
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On May 25 2012 21:08 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 21:05 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.
Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.
But zealos first.
@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today? Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town. there is no way anyone who doesn't know tunkeg's alignment would come to this conclusion stick with the zealos vote
Just look at him. Can you honestly say a mafia would play like that?
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On May 25 2012 21:08 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 21:05 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.
Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.
But zealos first.
@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today? Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town. there is no way anyone who doesn't know tunkeg's alignment would come to this conclusion stick with the zealos vote
I mean, whats his agenda? What does he serve to gain from acting like that. He just looks like a super frustrated townie. A sentiment that I can relate too.
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On May 25 2012 21:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 21:08 Mattchew wrote:On May 25 2012 21:05 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 20:23 zelblade wrote:
To be fair most of that was a conversation with WBG.
Tunkeg does look like scum who has given up though, seems like he isnt even trying anymore.
But zealos first.
@zealos who is the most likely to flip red today? Tunkeg clearly isn't mafia, he's just a godawful town. there is no way anyone who doesn't know tunkeg's alignment would come to this conclusion stick with the zealos vote Mattchew - do you accept zelblade's real life excuse and what he's posted? How has his return altered your read? Zealos - if you weren't gonna lynch Hiro, then who?
Probably Zelblade atm. He just doesn't to seem to have anything going for him. Even if his RL excuse is true, he's still been lurking like hell. I wanna hear what he has to say.
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@Zelblade: Can you post something useful?
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On May 25 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote:Well, why don't you have a read of my katina post yourself? 
Obviously I didn't take part in the games you're referencing, but I'll take your word, unless you think I should read them over.
Assuming you're right with what you're saying, and Katina is normally very strong with her scumreads, maybe we should be putting more pressure on Nova. Her case is pretty weak, and I'd like her to elaborate on why she thinks Nova is scum, if she really believes Nova is scum, then she should try harder to convince us to vote for him.
In general though, it feels like people are to happy to see one good case and just jump on, rather than try to improve town atmosphere overall. Even if these players are town, they seem far too happy to sit back and let one or 2 influential veterans do all their work for them.
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I would say that based on purely the thread so far, I would agree with you, however I would like to hear Katina elaborate on her case further, to see if she really thinks Nova is scum, or whether it's a case of "I need someone to call mafia, so I'll just call out the spammer"
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Any more posting on my part seems a waste of time at this point. Just make sure to read my filter when I flip, you'll see who needs lynching.
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On May 25 2012 23:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 23:28 Zealos wrote:
Any more posting on my part seems a waste of time at this point. Just make sure to read my filter when I flip, you'll see who needs lynching. You do realise that even if you are townie, it doesn't make you miraculously correct in your reads, right? ^^
You're right
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On May 26 2012 00:12 marvellosity wrote:I would like to add a bit of meta case to my argument against Zealos. Where he was scum in SNMM X he was aggressive from the get go. He was townie in LIV and although he got mod-killed early and made practically no posts, there was one post that stands out. Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
At the moment it just feels like we are running in circles. We seem to be very quick at voting for the first thing that anyone does wrong without really thinking about it. We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
I think the Blub thing at the start was really pretty strange, but I'm not convinced it warrants a vote on its own.
Palmar: I don't get why he has to post so much useless stuff. I don't ever agree with the arguement "It's what he normally does" because it just lets him hide his scumminess. So what I would say to you is; if you're town, just tone it down a bit to allow people to make useful points instead of constantly replying to random stuff you're posting.
Conciliatory. Constructive. Non-abrasive - even when he's having a go at Palmar, he's actually trying to get him to post more usefully. To the part in bold: he's not willing to make a vote there and then. He wants to think about it, and make a strong read before committing to a vote. Compare to this game. 1st post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 07:05 Zealos wrote:
Hey everyone, I agree with a policy VE lynch off the bat gogogo. ##Vote: VisceraEyes 2nd post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:28 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 12:00 EchelonTee wrote:On May 21 2012 05:38 Acrofales wrote:
Also, if all I had were town games in my history, discrediting any meta-analysis off the bat seems like a pretty good idea for scum. If you thought your playstyle was working, why change it up? of his last 3 games, he lost 2 of them, and was nearly mislynched in the other. I wouldn't define that as "his playstyle working". what kind of crappy misformulated discreditation is this? On May 21 2012 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Tunkeg. Glad to see you got that first post out of the way. Always a bitch as scum. You wrote a wall of text which says jack diddly squat. Bugs posted some decent advice, Nova and I indicated who we're keeping eyes on. You just posted a load of nonsense about yourself that I for one am not interested in. his first post had 50x the content you had. then you try and buddy to nova saying you two are "keeping eyes on people"; all you posted was a joke accusation on Mattchew. On May 21 2012 07:23 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmmm, Navillus, that's pretty interesting. Did Bugs give good advice or bad advice? Navilus also posted a semi joke accusation on bugs ("i only recognize 2 vets so i vote the one who has less votes") Found scum. that was easy. you play exactly like forumite's scum: ask tons of questions, do diddly squat ##Vote: Acrofales I'm inclined to agree with you here. Add to the fact that the last game I played with him as scum, he was almost caught right off the bat on day 1, only for us to change last minute. Seems to like playing scummy when he's scum. ##Vote: Acrofales Another vote: Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo. ##vote: MouldyJeb Another post: Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. I've posted 4 quotes here. He immediately votes on VE and then immediately switches to Acrofales. He later switches to Mouldy, with an excuse for deferring his scum hunt until later. Just for emphasis, compare to his attitude as town in LIV: Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
It doesn't add up.
That's terrible meta. Check my other town meta. I always come off aggressive and abrasive, its my nature. I like to argue. I mean just look at my case against risen from my other town game. You're picking and choosing things that suit your case without looking at it objectively.
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On May 26 2012 00:14 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 20:08 Tunkeg wrote:On May 25 2012 19:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well it's either a DT check or a case, neither of which are believable.
Wrong again, there won't be any information that is relevant for todays lynch in it... Cool, just like all the other stuff you post. Thanks for sharing. Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 23:17 Zealos wrote:On May 25 2012 23:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2012 23:02 Zealos wrote:
@Zelblade: Can you post something useful? Well, why don't you have a read of my katina post yourself? Obviously I didn't take part in the games you're referencing, but I'll take your word, unless you think I should read them over. Assuming you're right with what you're saying, and Katina is normally very strong with her scumreads, maybe we should be putting more pressure on Nova. Her case is pretty weak, and I'd like her to elaborate on why she thinks Nova is scum, if she really believes Nova is scum, then she should try harder to convince us to vote for him. DING DING DING DING DING DING DING.
Can we get a votecount, or is there a recent one I missed?
And can this guy die already. He's bolded without even reading what I'm fucking saying. Jesus christ.
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On May 26 2012 00:12 marvellosity wrote:I would like to add a bit of meta case to my argument against Zealos. Where he was scum in SNMM X he was aggressive from the get go. He was townie in LIV and although he got mod-killed early and made practically no posts, there was one post that stands out. Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
At the moment it just feels like we are running in circles. We seem to be very quick at voting for the first thing that anyone does wrong without really thinking about it. We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
I think the Blub thing at the start was really pretty strange, but I'm not convinced it warrants a vote on its own.
Palmar: I don't get why he has to post so much useless stuff. I don't ever agree with the arguement "It's what he normally does" because it just lets him hide his scumminess. So what I would say to you is; if you're town, just tone it down a bit to allow people to make useful points instead of constantly replying to random stuff you're posting.
Conciliatory. Constructive. Non-abrasive - even when he's having a go at Palmar, he's actually trying to get him to post more usefully. To the part in bold: he's not willing to make a vote there and then. He wants to think about it, and make a strong read before committing to a vote. Compare to this game. 1st post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 07:05 Zealos wrote:
Hey everyone, I agree with a policy VE lynch off the bat gogogo. ##Vote: VisceraEyes 2nd post: Show nested quote +On May 21 2012 15:28 Zealos wrote:On May 21 2012 12:00 EchelonTee wrote:On May 21 2012 05:38 Acrofales wrote:
Also, if all I had were town games in my history, discrediting any meta-analysis off the bat seems like a pretty good idea for scum. If you thought your playstyle was working, why change it up? of his last 3 games, he lost 2 of them, and was nearly mislynched in the other. I wouldn't define that as "his playstyle working". what kind of crappy misformulated discreditation is this? On May 21 2012 05:30 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Tunkeg. Glad to see you got that first post out of the way. Always a bitch as scum. You wrote a wall of text which says jack diddly squat. Bugs posted some decent advice, Nova and I indicated who we're keeping eyes on. You just posted a load of nonsense about yourself that I for one am not interested in. his first post had 50x the content you had. then you try and buddy to nova saying you two are "keeping eyes on people"; all you posted was a joke accusation on Mattchew. On May 21 2012 07:23 Acrofales wrote:
Hrmmm, Navillus, that's pretty interesting. Did Bugs give good advice or bad advice? Navilus also posted a semi joke accusation on bugs ("i only recognize 2 vets so i vote the one who has less votes") Found scum. that was easy. you play exactly like forumite's scum: ask tons of questions, do diddly squat ##Vote: Acrofales I'm inclined to agree with you here. Add to the fact that the last game I played with him as scum, he was almost caught right off the bat on day 1, only for us to change last minute. Seems to like playing scummy when he's scum. ##Vote: Acrofales Another vote: Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo. ##vote: MouldyJeb Another post: Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:04 Zealos wrote:On May 23 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote:On May 23 2012 00:00 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Zealos wrote:On May 22 2012 23:09 Mattchew wrote:On May 22 2012 22:41 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
yeah i had a feeling (OOOH AAAH) that that wasn't going to be understood, to explain, originally he voted for me for a reason he has yet to conger up then because of that random vote i felt that he was having a random vote so i voted for him. as a result of this he is trying to incriminate me by the whole "it reeks of terror and chaos shit"~~short and simple i don't like him i think he's scum trying to save his ass. "In a town shaped by the subtle machinations and political intrigue of its guilds, it's reassuring to see a goblin waving his torch and screaming about some nonsense or other." —Agrus Kos Lol. Gotta say I agree, I just don't understand what he's talking about o.O Terrible town, or terrible mafia imo.##vote: MouldyJeb Do you not have an opinion which? And presuming you do, why? Leaning on terrible town, because his team would have shut him up or at least coached him by now imo. Still strongest lynch atm though. Lurked to begin with, followed with nonsensical posting. You don't have a single scumread? No strong ones, no, I haven't had a good enough look over the thread. I'll look over everything at the end of the night, because even if I tried to make a case now it'd probably be too late to get anything done about it. I've posted 4 quotes here. He immediately votes on VE and then immediately switches to Acrofales. He later switches to Mouldy, with an excuse for deferring his scum hunt until later. Just for emphasis, compare to his attitude as town in LIV: Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 01:30 Zealos wrote:
We need to vote when we actually have a decent read, not when someone makes an offhand remark that seems a tiny bit "off" That's what I won't be voting till a little later, when I've got a better idea of who's who.
It doesn't add up.
Also, I didn't make a vote right off, and ended up getting modkilled for not making one at all. I wanted to avoid another modkill, even if it meant having a rubbish vote that meant nothing. Look at my vote for Greymist on my first game, it was pointless, but it meant I made a vote of some kind.
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Oh, and being aggressive from the get go in my mafia game I referenced almost got my killed day1. Why do it again as scum?
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You mean changing my meta from one that didn't work at all? God, I sure feel a fool now.
Stop taking one or two lines and read the whole thing. Her case thus far may well be shit, doesn't mean she hasn't got more to say. Stop being disruptive and irritating mr scum.
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On May 24 2012 15:34 Zealos wrote:
I can't believe no one else detects the Red on Hiro.....
I guess I'll try to convince you later, got an exam to run to.
Was hoping at least one of the vets would pick up on this...
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Ok, give me 2 secs to explain my reasoning.
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