Magic: The Gathering Mini Mafia - Page 2

On May 23 2012 01:54 Acid~ wrote:


Nothing much to say. They make a good case against NT, but I'm tempted to agree with VE when he says that it feels too easy.

On May 23 2012 04:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Katina (1): froggynoddy
Acrofales Marvellosity (2): EchelonTee, Acid~,

On May 23 2012 05:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Jeb are you scum or town?

If you're town, who do you find suspicious and why?

On May 23 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote:
will probably present my thoughts tomorrow.

On May 23 2012 06:10 Navillus wrote:
NT I have a semi-strong town read on

On May 24 2012 02:45 Zealos wrote:
What are you feelings on ET if we eliminate past games?

On May 24 2012 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew what do you think of Zealos after marvel's case? I found it pretty convincing myself...I was already a little suspicious of him though so it wasn't going to take much.

On May 24 2012 05:09 Nova_Terra wrote:

what do his cute quotes have anything to do me and him being scumbuddies in your mind
this IS MTG mafia...

On May 24 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
wherebugsgo

I realized after my back and forth with Bugs and Hiro that I'm allowing my emotions to rule the way I look at the game. As a result, I've gone back to try and objectively look at the people I'm suspicious of. But as soon as I opened up wherebugsgo and started reading his filter, I realized that this post would ultimately be about wherebugsgo (more specifically, about his first post).

I took a look at his advice post. I have to say, I'm a little disturbed with what I saw. Generally I overlook posts like this when they come from veteran players, mainly because it's typically common sense stuff that I at least am already aware of and have read several times every game. So, admittedly, when I was defending Bugs for posting this initially, I was doing so having not fully read the actual post. That being said, all in all none of what he gives is TERRIBLE advice (in general) but I have a couple of problems with some of his advice.

5. Medics/JK: don't bluehunt, just protect the most sensible townies.

At first, I thought this sounded pretty good, but then I thought about the source: who is likely to be the most "sensible townie" at the end of the day? I'll give you a hint - it's an anagram of George W Bush. Regardless of alignment, wherebugsgo is going to be playing like a vanilla townie. Why? Because as a town blue-role, that's the most successful way to play. As scum, that's the most successful way to play. As any role imaginable, that's the most successful way to play. wherebugsgo is a very crafty individual, and so to me #5 actually reads something like "don't bluehunt, just protect me" based on the knowledge I have of wherebugsgo's typical play. If he had said this at the end of the day, I wouldn't have blinked...but saying it at the beginning of the day, planting the notion right at the outset of the game comes across as playing with an agenda.

6. Vigis: don't be MrZentor (case in point: Game of Thrones)

Again, having cohosted GoT I was aware of what he was talking about so I didn't really think about the implications of this piece of advice. However, upon reflection, this feels really out of place in the rest of his (semi-reasonable) advice. Look at the tone: in the points previous when directing blue roles, he gave fairly sound reasoning behind saying the things he is - but not when directing the vigs. He left it up to the reader to discover the reasoning (giving a player and a game and expecting the reader to do the legwork).

This is similar to a scum tactic I'm always looking for - bloating up their perceived activity while simultaneously causing the accuser to look bad for "not reading" - "L2READ N00B I answered that already" instead of simply repeating what was already said in an earnest attempt to be understood.

Anyway, all general advice and all stuff most of you should know, but read it over anyway.

This has been touched on by others, but I'd like to reiterate that if this was all "general advice and all stuff most of you should know", then why post it in the first place and why instruct everyone to "read it anyway"? The obvious answer, as Nova_Terra would tell you (again) is "Because he could be scum pushing an agenda"…which is precisely what I think is going on.

Is it possible that it's just a coincidence that scum went blue-hunting last night? Sure, it's possible…but it's my belief that it was planned from the beginning that scum weren't going to be aiming for analysts or "townies making sense" last night - they were going to be blue-hunting last night.

Is it possible that Bugs was just trying to make a light-hearted jab at MrZentor (someone not even playing this game) in his advice to Vigs? Sure that's possible, but not likely considering A) Zentor isn't in this game and B) given the tone of the rest of his post (cold, analytical advice), the "joke" seems out of place.

That brings us to his word of advice concerning dealing with VE.

I don't support policy lynching but I do agree we should keep an eye on VE because his play can be quite erratic. If he's the focus of attention as either alignment it becomes very difficult to discern what he is. So for now I think we should look elsewhere so we don't have that problem, and let VE decide for himself what he wants to do.

The thing that gets me is the disconnect between the two bolded statements. If everyone is "keeping an eye on me" then I'm going to be the focus of attention. But if I'm the focus of attention, I'll be "more difficult to read" yeah? Ultimately, he says to "look elsewhere", but not before already casting the shadow of doubt on me in his very first post. So yeah, even this is suspect to me, and NOT because it's about me. Because it's contradictory and doesn't make any sense.

##Unvote: Zealos
##Vote: wherebugsgo

Let's do this bugs. Not later. Now. If we both live until tomorrow this is happening anyway, so let's just get it over with. I think you're scum. It's your turn to think I'm scum and vote for me.

On May 24 2012 12:47 VisceraEyes wrote:


Unless you wanna drop the act and come talk to me about why, then mind your business...this is between me and the jerk.

On May 23 2012 21:10 zelblade wrote:
will probably present my thoughts tomorrow.

On May 22 2012 23:51 zelblade wrote:
Whilst sheeping isnt neccessarily a scumtell, I dont like how jumpy his vote has been, going from person to person

On May 23 2012 00:00 zelblade wrote:
Apparently I screwed up that quote tag -_-

Eh I just realised its pluarity lynch lol. I am considering if I should dump my vote on zealos and see if it gains any traction or onto one of the three leading candidates. Kind of a hard decision since I wouldnt mind all of them dying.

Mattchew is still being a pain in the ass, though his posts are starting to get understandable, and he actually has more content than say, mouldy jeb. Probably not the best lynch today, think hes town.

I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally.

##vote: Mouldy Jeb

On May 25 2012 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record Bugs, you play every single game like a fucking asshole where I'm concerned. Every. Single. One. So you'll forgive me for thinking that you're "intentionally trying to aggravate me" every game, when you can't civilly play a game with me ever.

I respect your skill more than you know, but it's gotten to the point where I literally can't stand playing with you. You treat me like some kind of raw newb every single game, and it's old now.

On May 25 2012 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
because I'm trying to have a serious conversation here and you're still trying to turn it around on me to discredit anything I say in this game. You're posting with a purpose, pushing an agenda...the more you post, the clearer that becomes to me.

On May 25 2012 02:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
For the record Bugs, you play every single game like a fucking asshole where I'm concerned. Every. Single. One.

it's gotten to the point where I literally can't stand playing with you.

On May 25 2012 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote:


et again Bugs doesn't need to be held to the same standards as the rest of us. I'mdone being surprised.

On May 25 2012 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't have ONE post on Bugs marvel, to get the entirety of my case you have to read my filter marvel. I'm sorry if you don't want to do that, I understand if you're "pressed for time" or whatever, but the whole of my thoughts on Bugs is in my filter...it's not a case, but an ever evolving train of thought that keeps growing more and more certain.

On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote:
As for Mattchew, I mean really? Do I even have to explain why I think he's scum and want to lynch him?
He has been completely ignoring me when I have called him out. Wait. He ignores just about everything and only comments when he has a qoute for it. He's not being helpful at all to the town and it annoys me that he is still alive and not being considered for the lynch. Others have commented on how annoying his qoutes are but yet no one has felt the need to vote for him.

On May 25 2012 03:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Mattchew would you be willing to play seriously from now on out? Your posts are incredibly annoying in their current form, and given how few people are actually playing to win it'd be nice if we didn't have to wade through more difficult nonsense.