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On June 11 2012 14:50 EchelonTee wrote: urghhh. no one thinks about possibility that they are both scum?
Honestly I feel worst with a papa lynch. I feel best with a hyaach lynch.
I am most convinced by papa, with hyaach following.
LIV I was scum
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Top effort slOosh. Remind me never to rely on you for VCA when I'm actually playing with you
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Thankfully I'm not scum.
My main worry/paranoia is that somehow we get it wrong on ken/wiggles. But I think if Mr.2-vote Wiggles is alive after we lynch papa and Hyaach then I will be feeling much more confident.
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No hats. Lets lynch us some scum.
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I feel so reassured. How could I ever have doubted you?
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Summary of Wiggles' recent post(s) for the thread:
- A bazillion lines in self defence - barely one line on who is actually scum.
That about cover it guys?
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On June 13 2012 01:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 19:39 marvellosity wrote: Summary of Wiggles' recent post(s) for the thread:
- A bazillion lines in self defence - barely one line on who is actually scum.
That about cover it guys? Except the scum can be found purely through the process of elimination. I don't need to make big long cases when they aren't necessary to know who is scum. Unless I'm wrong about you being town, of course. The only thing cases serve now is to convince people to lynch scum instead of town (myself). So, part of that is showing how I'm town. Thus my defense.
The other part is showing that someone other than you is scum. And that's probably the more important part.
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On June 13 2012 01:51 papapanda wrote:06-11-2012 02:49 PM ET (US)Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 21:22 austinmcc wrote: papa, earlier you wanted to lynch hyaach, finding him more suspicious than zealos/cwave/phagga/G32. But you don't want to lynch him before kenpachi and/or wiggles? Why? I posted my FoS on Hyaach quite early on in the game, and as the game has unfolded his posting changed quite a bit, making my accusations less significant. However, the main reason I changed my lynch target priorities to Wiggles and Kenpachi was because from the flips we have three non-veteran players for the mafia, so it is more likely that the rest of the mafia are selected from a higher experience level. Putting Hyaach's or my name alongside with the mafia list is too imbalanced. So I removed hyaach from my lynch priority. As for my push for Kenpachi, it's fine if you do not think he is scummy, but please do not lynch me because I find him scummy. If anything, I would call this action to be chainsaw defense. Town, PLEASE, review the case for yourself, and not rely on "traps" to catch our scum. I will vote for Kenpachi right now.
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Alright ET. What do you make of Wiggles' defence? Who should we lynch next?
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On June 13 2012 11:04 EchelonTee wrote: Those are some pretty good points toad. Why haven't you died for so long? Kenpachi or Wiggles both know you're a solid player, and ur a confirmed Mason; your conclusion makes sense on the Kenpachi thing.
I'm going to re-read somethings before the night... I'd like some focus on Hyaach. The only thing that gives me pause is papapanda's early pressure onto Hyaach, and papa doesn't seem like the bussing type to me. Who knows, though.
I think I'm convinced that Wiggles is Mafia. I just feel so queasy though because I've mislynched Wiggles (as scum) in two of my previous games; Wiggles is often a lategame mislynch -.-
I had a look over Hyach and there was not that much there to make me change my read... he's flailing.
We already know about the kita/MZ stuff. The fact he didn't read the thread is horrible. Hassybaby dies and he FoS Hassy. How can you not read day/night posts? Toad calls for all townies to vote papapanda and Hyaach votes Wiggles.
Hyaach gets an (odd) townread on Wiggles because of the Maju/Manason votes. But now he's asking us to lynch Wiggles ahead of him? Because town decided it's him and Wiggles, so Wiggles should go first?
Still, I can't somehow bring myself to be as decisive on Hyaach as I felt on papa/maju. He's either lost town or he's scum who's been hung out to dry. At this stage it has to be him or ken though, and I'm a lot more confident on Hyaach than I am on Ken.
Hyaach - who are the two remaining scum?
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To Toad above me - yeah I agree. Sees your thread push on ken and so starts with 'lynch into vets'. The implication is clear enough.
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ok let's do this. Hyaach is a stronger read than me than wiggles. although there's a very high probability they're both scum.
what say everyone else?
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EBWOP: *stronger read for me
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as in, i could get behind a wiggles lynch because i think he's scum too. noting who is scummiest to me, but saying it's likely both are. hence my question
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My paranoia was going overdrives last night. Hyaach is my stronger read. But the two of you I trust want to kill Wiggles. I guess this is my version of ET's papapanda moment.
##Vote: Mr Wiggles
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you know why austin, posts 116/119
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Result. I opened this with some trepidation. Yum indeed
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On June 15 2012 11:14 EchelonTee wrote: Good thing wiggles didn't get pardoner, eh? xp
yes, indeed. An ability well sat on by you.
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I went over Ken's filter. I'd have to get a good scumread on him to overturn the one on Hyaach. There's things that leave me too unsure. How he says about papapanda "he's mafia, I just know it". He flips flops on Maju for no reason. "scummy. no, null tell" The way he asks why austin is pro town. Why even bother casting suspicion around?
I can't shake the feeling that Hyaach is mafia. He hasn't done anything to convince otherwise. ET, Toad, and I all came to the same conclusion on him and not even on the exact same reasoning. We're going to talk ourselves out of the correct kill. Hyaach is scum. Mafia characteristic is for scum to be useful at the start and tail away as the game goes on because they cannot find anything to be constructive about, and that fits the bill perfectly here.
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