EPTTL Mafia LV - Page 6
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EchelonTee
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EchelonTee
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1. lynch Zealos 2. if he's scum, Wiggles looks bad I can agree with that. But that doesn't make VE look worse; he said zealos looks bad here. | ||
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EchelonTee
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Voting Zealos atm. | ||
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EchelonTee
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On May 30 2012 23:42 supersoft wrote: fuck you okay? I hate to deal with idiots like you. Of course i read that shit in the context. Noone claimes so far. You claimed before any PMs went out that told people they were hit. Scumteam know who they hit. obviously they dont have to wait for claims to know who was hit. WTF dude. I realise this is 10pgs ago, but can you not say shit like this? Seriously, just being a huge dick. | ||
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EchelonTee
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"you complaining about the timing of my vote on Zealos, even though no one has actually complained about it yet? Well, these other people did the same thing! I'm not going to defend my own actions, instead, bash others!" | ||
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EchelonTee
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Alright alright, as much as I love to be hypocritical (didn't read lol), let's slow down posting a bit. Still need to catch up, and this is starting to approach TL LI levels of spam. | ||
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EchelonTee
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote: Right so, here are my thoughts: SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play? Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power. Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow. BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum. Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far. If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why? I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then. This is the crux of the case on Zealos. You replaced in, so maybe you don't have a frame, but this one post is why Zealos looks incredible scummy. You don't find scum by making an extended PBPA case; anyone, literally anyone can do that. You only need 1 post to find scum, and this is it. I'm sad to see that the spam continued. Do you know what is happening right now? It's the Avengers: we're all arguing with each other instead of consolidating. Stop the infighting, and kill Loki, aka VE. VE scum, Zealos scum. We lynch Zealos today, thats it. Stop spamming. We're not lynching kita. | ||
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EchelonTee
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On May 31 2012 14:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: let's be clear. We're not lynching zealos. We're not lynching gambit. We're not lynching hyaach. We're not gonna lynch any of the other half assed "cases" people have done. We're gonna kill VE. ok. you have my support. | ||
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EchelonTee
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Can we slow down the posting? kthxbai | ||
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EchelonTee
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On May 31 2012 17:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: that's horrible reasoning. Get your ass in gear and give me an alternative, I know you can do better than this. I'm going to bed. sigh... you would think it's horrible reasoning, but let's review some recent history (that you might've missed!) TL Mafia LI - VE claims DT at a very random time, is actually Mafia! are we on to something? TL Mafia LIII - VE claims JK at a sort of random time, flips JK. Aw. MTG Mini Mafia - VE claims Doc at very random time, flips doctor. Hrm. Liar Game Mafia - VE gets mad at Ace/WBG, flips town. Wheel of Mini Mafia - VE makes no cases or w.e, flips scum. Infurtinagly enough, VE has played pretty scummily in a lot of his recent games, and often getting blue/scum (4/5 of his games). Let's review our options. 1. Kill VE +Hit potential scum, who is very dangerous if red. +Unravels a lot of schemes, and gives more information than probably any other lynch +don't have to play the WIFOM game (I got rb'd again) or (see, I shot my target, but what if his scum team used a KP, and feign a doublestack on some other player?) - lose a vig, if wrong - lose a vet, if wrong 2. Kill Zealos +Hit potential scum, who a decent amount of people think is scum, but is by no means an ez mode mislynch +gives some information, as there has been people who want to lynch others over him +Potentially have a blue VE on our side -have to play the WIFOM game with VE Either way, it is extremely important that we reduce scum KP asap or this game will go south, so obviously we should lynch who we think has a higher chance of flipping scum. This seems like a classic "high risk, high reward" scenario. I could see VE being vig here, but if he's scum he'd definitely claim right about now. Then again, if we're sure about Zealos, he's a better kill. I'd like to hear Wiggles' opinion on this. | ||
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EchelonTee
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On May 31 2012 14:56 VisceraEyes wrote: *shrug* Kita the Iggins the Lyncher thanks you for your patronage. VE, I thought you were suggesting that Kita was Lyncher? Your part 1 is decent, but your part 2 consists of you thinking that Kita's focusing on Lyncher = him scum. So what is it? Kita is Lyncher or scum? If you think he's Lyncher (as previously stated), then as you stated, it's sort of a joke role that isn't currently a threat to us. You also ignore all of Kita's D2 posts, which are better than his D1 posts. I can't take your case seriously when half of yoru case is talking about the lyncher stuff, which isn't that scummy lol. If I compare Kita's play 1-1 between storm and this, it does look different, but if I compare it 1-1 to TL Mafia L, it doesn't look that different. Sure, in that game he ran for mayor, but most of his D1 play was concerned with setup/the election, and not that much on scumhunting. Well, going to watch TL get owned in GSTL  everyone, better comment whether you want VE, Zealos, or someone else lynched. | ||
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On May 31 2012 19:11 Zealos wrote: Can someone summarise the VE case for me? I really can't keep up with this thread atm guys, sorry :/ Feeling very useless atm. The VE case | ||
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EchelonTee
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It would seem to confirm him, but what if scum use one of their KP to shoot his intended vig target? VE could argue that he had shot his target as planned, and that one of the other two dead guys was double stacked. The only way that WIFOM would be avoided is if another 1337 medic save complicates things. Wiggles, where are you? Mattchew? | ||
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EchelonTee
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On May 31 2012 19:44 supersoft wrote: watchers on VE Scum team selects him to put that shot forth. | ||
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EchelonTee
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On June 01 2012 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Why don't you comment on my Kita case MZ? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would value your opinion on it. I did, your kita case is bad and I said why in detail. On June 01 2012 04:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh I just realized that literally nobody actually bothered to read my second part closely. I posted part 1 in a spoiler but accidentally posted part 2 again... and nobody has pointed that out lolol. Please read things closer. I mentioned that the 2nd part was double posted subtly, when I posted links. I'm reading. On June 01 2012 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm at the mercy of town at this point, if you want to direct my shot I will absolutely comply. But, take that for what it's worth...the word of a man on the block. I have nothing to gain from lying to you, because as it stands I'm going to die anyway. If I were scum and lying, it will be obvious tomorrow after the night actions. And here's something to factor in. Scum don't know if I'm scum or SK any more than town does...so chances are, I'm going to eat a bullet. Know why? Cause I'm beast-mode SK. Ask fucking anyone. SK is bulletproof. I'm not sure why you bring up SK at this point; you should be tryign to prove your town/vig, but I spose it's too late or w.e. On June 01 2012 05:11 grush57 wrote: Argh stop spam it has been 20 pages since I went to bed and my eyes hurt for reading. Get VE, my eyes won't hurt as much. If he is town Wiggles will be godfather. If mafia, one mafia down and Wiggles is a betrayer godfather. I believe in you MZ! (Even though my starsenses disagree, I have to) ##Vote: VisceraEyes This is a weird post. How are you suggesting that Wiggles is godfather? On June 01 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote: I fucking detest this 'let's get it over with' sentiment that both wbg and Toad have expressed on this page. It makes my blood curdle. I'm merrily sitting on the fence whether VE is town or scum. In the past I've voted to lynch him twice, and he was town, and in LI I didn't vote to lynch him, and he was scum. There's things I don't like about VE - the Zealos issue, and his meta case on kita, but there is waaaaaaaay too much stuff being read as a narrative. Almost anyone's filter can be made to read scummily if you want it to, but everything he says is being fit to this narrative without looking at the alternative. There's really too much "oh, might as well". Does everyone voting VE genuinely believe he's scum? Obviously this isn't aimed at kita/MZ/Toad, but the rest of you. Is he the best chance of flipping scum for today or are you being led by vocal people? I think he's scum based a lot off of MZ's case; his fixation on the lyncher role (and being against Toad despite the fact that he had 0 chance of being scum), and his continous flipfloppiness and lack of focus. I'll admit that I was against toad being elected simply because I don't like him having power (<3), but I articulated that it was very unlikely that Toad was scum, while VE tried to cast suspicion on him, even after the night actions and he had become masoned. VE claims to be intent on scumhunting, but for the most part hasn't made any big cases on his own other than the kita case, which is bad. all of his other targets originated from other sources, such as Zealos, G32. I might be mistaken (perhaps he did start a few small cases?), but for the most part, VE is playing very loose and unfocused, which you could argue is a lot like his town play, but he feels a lot more like TL LI VE atm. Shit up the thread, have little focus, try and make a ballooned up case when the going gets tough. Seriously, the case kita is quite bad. On June 01 2012 06:19 papapanda wrote: Not in particular, I want him to vote for someone who he thinks is scum from his list of read. And he voted kita so nevermind i guess, just saying that voting for someone who you don't think is scum doesn't make much sense. scum On June 01 2012 06:39 jaj22 wrote: Tactically speaking, people who don't want to lynch VE should be putting their votes on Zealos unless they'd rather have a no-lynch. The case against Kitaman is weak and he's another veteran-lynch: People are likely to think in terms of the best veteran-lynch vs the best lurker-lynch. And yeah, I'm having doubts myself about VE. A lot of his filter looks quite town, even if it's spammy unfocused town. And we'll have to start killing lurkers sometime. If we can't confirm VE one way or another on day 3 it's going to be horrible though. looking bad depending on the flip | ||
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EchelonTee
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On June 01 2012 06:57 Ange777 wrote: I am on page 86 ... and VE you really don't look good. We still have one hour till deadline right? yep, 1 hour. get your votes in folks. | ||
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