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VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 08:02 GMT

#552

On May 28 2012 16:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I am forcing myself to remain cautious after my abysmal reads from last game but it's hard given the current play we're seeing.

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VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 08:12 GMT

#553

MZ I want your opinion: obviously in an ideal situation the town comes to a consensus on a lynch and there are no problems. But is it really in town's best interest to never use the pardoner power?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 08:41 GMT

#556

On May 28 2012 17:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

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hmmm. Personally if I was pardoner and I felt VERY strongly that the person who was getting lynched was town I would not hesitate to pardon them simply because I still trust my judgement enough to make that call.

Similarly, I wouldn't have a problem if someone pardoned someone who I thought was town. That being said, it is just a lot simpler if the pardoner is never used in. Even if a townie dies, information will be gleaned from the flip and we won't waste a cycle debating the action of the pardoner.

Just as a general announcement, I'm gonna stop posting in this thread because idk if I can think logically right now. Once I finish watching PL I need to allnighter a paper so see ya'll tomorrow.

Once again we find ourselves in complete agreement.

Now, by my estimation, no...it's not ALWAYS in town's best interest to NEVER use the pardoner power. To be honest though, I don't know yet if it's in THIS town's best interest because I don't know who the pardoner is going to be...and if it's someone I trust with that power, I certainly wouldn't waste time "debating the action of the pardoner" because like you, I trust my own judgement about who to trust with that kind of power. However, like you (I assume), I wouldn't hesitate to call someone I trust with that power out for betraying that trust by using the power for obviously shitty reasoning.

Here's the part that really gets me about Kita's whole Lyncher fixation: it's entirely based on one huge contradiction.

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Allow me to illustrate.

Kita's reasoning for his Lyncher fixation, I believe, is to protect that one "townie target" from the lynch to extend the game exactly 1 cycle. Don't even worry about the fact that the Lyncher has no direct control over the lynch, because that's not the point. The point is to protect that one "townie target" from the lynch to extend the game exactly

1 cycle

Kita's insisting that Toad be voted for Vice Leader of Earth on the platform of "soon I'll be 'confirmed' * Mason and I'll never ever use the power". By his estimation and repeated (ad nauseum?) insistence, it's in town's best interest to never use the pardoner power. But, by definition, the pardoner power extends the game exactly

1 cycle

....see where I'm going with this? His philosophies are completely contradictory!

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 08:52 GMT

#558

Wiggle similarly if you lynch between Sin and SnapB you'll retain my vote. Personally I prefer a Sin lynch for the reasons I've given. I also agree that lynching Kita D1 would be hasty.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 08:54 GMT

#559

Actually, I want to talk about SnB for a minute if you guys don't mind.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 08:58 GMT

#561

Why would SnB, as newish scum, want to call apologize to me, a player who hasn't expressed any kind of problem with his posts or paid him any attention, at the same time as he's apologizing to BH, a player he's gotten into an argument with in the thread?

Here's why I ask. As scum, for me, it seems much easier to simply pacify the source of the attention rather than call further attention to myself by apologizing to another player who hasn't even commented on the offending posts. It seems...too careless, you know?

I don't think he's a good lynch really. It's true that his content is lacking, but from what I can see he seems genuinely interested in what's best for town.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 18:55 GMT

#614

I wish Sinensis would get in here and say something. Hell I wish several people would get in here and say something. :/

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 19:01 GMT

#616

I voted for Wiggles because he's the most likely candidate to lynch scum D1 in my opinion. I like ET, ET a baus, but I think Wiggles is the better Leader candidate.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 19:07 GMT

#617

On May 29 2012 03:05 Toadesstern wrote:
And for the 4th time: I AM NOT ROLEBLOCKABLE FOR CHRISTS SAKE. Stop talking about something like that because it's not possible.

This is just one example of anti-town information to share with the class. In fact, this almost makes me disbelieve the claim. Toad wtf are you doing?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 19:11 GMT

#618

Like, I get it...you don't want anyone besmirching your claim with false information or whatever the fuck...but imagine this scenario. Imagine you HADN'T broadcast that you're not roleblockable and scum have a roleblocker.

What possible town motivation could you have for sharing the fact that you're not roleblockable with everyone? Hell, even people in PMs, why isn't that your most closely guarded secret?

Wiggles, I'd like you to seriously SERIOUSLY consider lynching Toadesstern today...at the very least tell me what you think of the guy as completely and honestly as possible. I'm going to do the same right now.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 19:41 GMT

#626

The lynch you thing was an exaggeration Toad, I want Sinensis dead...but your play is really confusing me this game. X(

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 19:44 GMT

#628

Yeah Toad, if you want anyone to take you seriously then you're going to have to explain why "everything in this post is wrong". That's how this works, and if you don't make sense then you don't make sense. It doesn't just not make sense because you say it doesn't Toad.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 19:49 GMT

#632

Yeah I think Zealos looking bad too ET. In particular, he avoids talking about who he's suspicious of entirely...all game. Classic lurky scum MO.

Kickass and chew bubblegum

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 20:00 GMT

#636

Yeah I get that Wiggles, I was exaggerating - I was more angry at Toad preemptively if he actually is a Mason...like, if he is then scum will probably just kill him ya know? Because they can't RB him hoping to implicate him tomorrow, he could be confirmed town tomorrow...it's just all around silly Mason play.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 20:08 GMT

#640

Dude I totally didn't even realize that BH was gunning for grush too! /facepalm

Okay, yeah...that makes sense then. Like, if he had been the first to push a grush policy lynch then that would be one thing: proposing a weak policy lynch that's guaranteed to be shot down is easy as fuck for scum...but wholly unnecessary if someone has already run on the platform of killing grush.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 20:11 GMT

#644

I think he's (almost) unforgivably lurky. I think vigs should consider him a threat. I wouldn't terribly mind seeing him lynched, though he's not particularly scummy outside his lurkiness...but I think there are better actual lynch targets.

....maybe. His filter is really short.

...like.....really short.

The only person he talks to is Kenpachi...someone known to barely talk to anyone in games ever. :/

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 20:17 GMT

#647

We wanted you to be our buddy too Kita! You shunned our ways and focused on this phantom Lyncher to the point where you could no longer be included in our order! Don't blame us for your failings Kitaman.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 22:20 GMT

#681

Wiggles what do you think of Mattchew? I really dislike its length.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 28 2012 22:21 GMT

#682

His filter...on my phone.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

May 29 2012 02:08 GMT

#743

I just don't think that's going to be the case. We'll just start burning through replacements until they're all filled up with active players. *nodnod*

BH, you're on JPG duty. I want 'em witty and I want 'em MSPainted.

ET you're going to be the welcoming committee. I think individual greetings for each new player should suffice for now - we can increase the volume as needed.

MZ, I want you on "scare replacements into activity" duty, because the last thing we need in here are inactives replacing inactives.

Any questions?

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