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On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. The first part is enough to hang you, the second part will just be icing on the cake. Also btw everyone, that's what an analysis looks like. I frankly do not give a shit how so and so acted in some game from 2 months ago. I want you to tell me why so and so is scum THIS GAME. Meta is a useful tool, however I see a lot of people with no idea what they're doing trying to base entire arguments off of meta which is ridiculous. I don't care how someone is acting compared to the last game. Unless you can give relevant and referenced examples of their play in another game I'm not even going to pay attention (and no, just blindly linking someone's filter doesn't count, you have to explain why it's relevant). Town has been playing like shit so far today, not because people are playing bad, just because they're playing lazy. If you wanna talk about previous games then know this, lazy townies lost the last game I was in. I will not stand by and repeat that. So next time you accuse someone, you better have a damn good reason. | ||
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On May 31 2012 06:46 wherebugsgo wrote: the last game wasn't lost by lazy townies, it was lost by people not using their brains. I agree that we shouldn't be lazy but let's not fearmonger, yeah? I don't agree with your VE case and I don't think it's a very good idea to be trying to kill him right now. VE's play is fairly hard to read and he tends to do things that other players do not as town. He's fairly active and bold as both alignments and so what we need to do is force him to take sides on issues that matter. I.E, if he's scum we need to force him to bus all of them. Did you actually read what I wrote? I'm going to class -_- | ||
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In the meantime everyone is going to do a little homework and reread my case on VE. | ||
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Anyway I made it home, judging by how long the last one took I should have part 2 done in maybe 2 hours or so. | ||
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The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. ![[image loading]](http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1656708684/sad_zealot.png) Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. | ||
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On May 31 2012 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Part 1 for people's brains + Show Spoiler + The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:11 Probulous wrote: ROFL Meapak, you're fun to play with. Your second half matches up nicely with what WBG was saying about VE jumping all over the place. Can you answer my earlier question http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=78#1559 Do you think VE actually wanted to get Toad lynched. He is clearly focused on him but I fail to see the upside for mafia. No-one is going to lynch Toad so why bangd on about it? To hide in plain sight? Oh no I think he was trying very hard to make toad suitable for lynch. Toad obviously represents a huge threat to scum so what better way to nip that in the bud then to kill him day 1. VE definitely wanted toad dead, however he didn't want to do the dirty work. As I outlined in part 1, toad is more focused on casting doubt on toad, he wanted others to step up and actually start taking body shots at toad. If toad had actually died VE could have easily said something like "oops, I thought he was lying" and get away fairly cleanly. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:28 Probulous wrote: How we haven't lynched yet? I mean it should have been obvious that Toad would be confirmed when he announced who he was masoned with and that person confirmed it (in this case you). The rest of your case is great but a large proportion is about a scum VE discrediting Toad, which would never lead to his lynch. TLDR: Toad would be confirmed town before the lynch vote, why discredit him? You have the timeline somewhat wrong. Most of VE's hardcore anti-toad stuff was on day1 (obviously toad is confirmed now so VE can't do anything but gripe), while toad had claimed, there's still the chance he gets lynched in a mixup where people think he's lying. If you read VE's posts that's what he's going for. He's spreading as much doubt about toad's claim as he can because he knows he only has until the next day before toad gets confirmed. So yes, VE was trying to get toad lynched on day 1 without seeming like a primary instigator. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Gaz, the video-game playing Town Vigilante I shot at Zealos last night. I was roleblocked. Let's please move on. god it doesn't get much better than this :D | ||
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On May 31 2012 08:12 GreYMisT wrote: Mafia have more information than town, as is their nature. That is all I will answer I suspect our dear friend VE is simply grabbing one of the "safe" roles the scum have. Please don't fall for it. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:48 VisceraEyes wrote: ¡I breadcrumbed it! looooooooool inb4 I know what post you're talking about  | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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He's not a vigi also Repost for the top of the page, gonna do this a few times until people start reading. On May 31 2012 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Part 1 for people's brains + Show Spoiler + The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:58 Probulous wrote: Can you at least link your crumb? He said it was the upside down quotation mark. Doesn't matter because he's not a vigi. | ||
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On May 31 2012 15:26 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you want to know about it? MZ knew exactly which post I was talking about. If he's town, and if I died overnight, I'm pretty sure he'd have said something about that very post considering how hot to trot I was about Zealos N1. It's not supposed to make sense to everyone Maju, it's only supposed to be picked up by very observant and by people knowing what they're looking for. That's what a breadcrumb is. No I wouldn't have said anything about zealos because it wasn't a breadcrumb. A breadcrumb is where you spell out who you're hitting or the name of your role using the first letters of each post or name your role in a certain manner or something clever like that (that's a tip kids write it down). That way there's no ambiguity when you say "hey guys I'm an ___ and I breadcrumbed here." What you did was post a little symbol which means nothing, allowing you to tell us how to interpret it however you need. I only knew which post you were gonna reference because with the amount of time I've spent reading your filter I knew there wasn't anything remotely close to a real breadcrumb. | ||
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On May 31 2012 15:50 Probulous wrote: Wow the crazies are lining you up VE. First Maju and now the speaking intestine himself. Seriously Manason, can you post something of substance that doesn't relate to your "movements". After the lynch I'm going to be holding an open forum which is going to be mandatory for all lurkers. We're going to talk about the proceeding day, their current suspicions, and how we should move forward from there. Failure to post during this meeting will result in an instant FoS. As for who is lurking I'll define that closer to the lynch so I get a better idea of who is lurking vs who is gonna get modkilled. | ||
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