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Can you answer my earlier question http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=78#1559 Do you think VE actually wanted to get Toad lynched. He is clearly focused on him but I fail to see the upside for mafia. No-one is going to lynch Toad so why bangd on about it? To hide in plain sight? | ||
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I mean it should have been obvious that Toad would be confirmed when he announced who he was masoned with and that person confirmed it (in this case you). The rest of your case is great but a large proportion is about a scum VE discrediting Toad, which would never lead to his lynch. VE definitely wanted toad dead, however he didn't want to do the dirty work. TLDR: Toad would be confirmed town before the lynch vote, why discredit him? | ||
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Ok so he was trying to convince Wiggles to lynch Toad. Well he has claimed vigilante now. @VE did you get your shot back? | ||
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Regarding Zealos (Klicky) ET what do you think about Zealos? Still think he's scummyscumscum? Which is hardly damning. Especially when compared to his only other read posted before the day post Regarding Supersoft (Klicky) In short, I think he's suspicious. I'll go into detail when I get to a computer but like you I've been underwhelmed with his posts since the flip and he was pseudo suspicious yesterday. Reading that blind, it looks like if he was going to shoot anyone it would be supersoft, not Zealos. | ||
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Put together your Kita case. If you are town and end up getting lynched, then at least we have something concrete to use. Right now you are making yourself look worse. | ||
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First Maju and now the speaking intestine himself. Seriously Manason, can you post something of substance that doesn't relate to your "movements". | ||
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The case against VE is based primarily on the following
His claim has no effect on his alignment because we cannot prove it. The assumption that we have a watcher is stupid because as has been pointed out, the only way that works is if we out the watcher. If the watcher is useful they would be following VE who might actually shoot someone in which case we lose two blues for a red. It's a dumb plan and is based on assumptions we can't make. What do we do if VE claims roleblock tomorrow and there is no watcher? No we have to make up our minds based on his posting. The MZ case has holes which I have alluded to especially around discrediting Toad. MZ's logic has gone from VE wanting Toad dead to now creating "subtle" doubt about him. It makes no sense and is a large part of both of MZ case. I don't buy it. Next, note that the people who are hesitant about this lynch seem pretty townie to me. I like Mattchew, I don't see why scum would pull the stunt he did. I like austin, he is making sense. I am town. WBG had doubts, ET had doubts. These are townie responses to a case that doesn't explain WHY VE would act the way he did if he was scum. It is easy to point out stuff that looks scummy, but much harder to explain why scum would do that. Note how Kita has dissapeared and let others do his bidding. Remember he was the one that started this whole thing with his base case on VE. I don't like this wagon, there is no coutner push, no other option, nothing. It is simply the loudest players bullying through their choice of target. Finally, yes VE looks desperate but he giving us everything we ask for. He reads as desperately town to me and I will stand by that. I will not be voting for him today. Supersoft, what is deal? You hardly post anything and then when you do it is a stupid plan that is bound to fail. Wiggles, get your fat ass in here because as mayor you should have a spine. MZ, get your head out of your ass and think for a second about what VE would do if he was town. Right now Kita is the best choice of lynch. He started this VE train and has gently nudged it along letting others do the dirty work. I can deal with a Zealos lynch if it means VE survives. People think for yourselves in this matter, there is no reason for town to bully through a lynch like this, especially when we lost third party last night. For once we have a little leeway and can actually question, instead MZ is acting like a bull in china shop and that helps no-one. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:04 EchelonTee wrote: I think he's scum based a lot off of MZ's case; his fixation on the lyncher role (and being against Toad despite the fact that he had 0 chance of being scum), and his continous flipfloppiness and lack of focus. I'll admit that I was against toad being elected simply because I don't like him having power (<3), but I articulated that it was very unlikely that Toad was scum, while VE tried to cast suspicion on him, even after the night actions and he had become masoned. VE claims to be intent on scumhunting, but for the most part hasn't made any big cases on his own other than the kita case, which is bad. all of his other targets originated from other sources, such as Zealos, G32. I might be mistaken (perhaps he did start a few small cases?), but for the most part, VE is playing very loose and unfocused, which you could argue is a lot like his town play, but he feels a lot more like TL LI VE atm. Shit up the thread, have little focus, try and make a ballooned up case when the going gets tough. Seriously, the case kita is quite bad ET, VE wasn't fixated on teh lyncher role that was Kita. No-one has explained to me why trying to discredit a soon to be confirmd townie makes sense from a mafia point of view. The flip-flopping is bad, I'll give you that. The point I am trying to make is that this makes sense from a townie point of view just as much as it does from a scum point of view and VE general determination to survive just looks townie to me. I mean the guy is busting his balls and the only way that makes as sense as scum is if he is covering for his team. But he isn't the one driving town on a single case, no that is MZ. It doesn't fit a scum agenda. WHY? That is what I want, WHY would he do this? | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:21 kitaman27 wrote: I was the first person to bring up a case against him. How is that letting others do my bidding? Spending time convincing VE that he is scum isn't going to solve anything. I haven't disappeared. If you'd like a long list of individuals who have disappeared, I'd be more than happy to direct you their way. Yes, my friend you have. Once MZ posted his case you have been happy to nudge it along, letting him bully town into submission. I don't like it. Apparently there is only one lynch in this town, and that gives me the willies. I just want to remind people that it was Kita who started this. Everyone is quoting MZ and his case but it was Kita's post and Kita's filter that miraculously converted MZ. I would be happy to lynch any of those that have disappeared. Any of these would be acceptable to me Zealos (he hasn't shaped up and is still complaining about reading the thread, I gave hima cahnce now he can die) papapanda Gambit (I don't buy the mason thing, why can't he explain it, he has posted since then) Hassy (mr diplomat himself) Manason the talking bowel phagga or cwave (though they look like getting modkilled) | ||
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He is the lurker with the most votes besides VE. If there is a wiggles swing, I am happy to do that too. No mayor should be able to just dissapear like he has. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:26 marvellosity wrote: Prob, let's get married. ![[image loading]](http://xe9.xanga.com/22fe375a02d37275067569/z219249989.png) | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:30 strongandbig wrote: Ugh. Marv, I'm feeling again like I did before we lynched you in wof. Why am I so bad at this game? Tell me this - if VE gets roleblocked tonight then won't we just waste all of day 3 on the same crap if we no lynch today? Ugh, MZ's case is covincing but my gut is like "no bro don't do it!" Yes, we will have to go through this crap again. That is why you need to make up your mind now. I'm sorry but that is mafia for you. VE will always be suspicious but I am not lynching a townie just because he looks bad. The question you need to answer is does VE's play make more sense from a scum or town perspective? | ||
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You were the one asking... | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:41 Ange777 wrote: I should stop clicking "Post" for "Preview" .... VE was asked why he didn't for push any cases. I believe this fits very well to the careful playstyle of not pushing for any lynches yourself. I don't think there is anything careful about VE's playstyle. I was wrong, it seems it seems 14 was the hammer. VE where you at? Don't go missing now. Note: Zealos hasn't voted. Mattchew is still on SnB? | ||
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With 28 players alive it takes 14 to lynch | ||
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