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On May 28 2012 08:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 08:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:10 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 08:01 grush57 wrote:On May 28 2012 08:00 Toadesstern wrote:On May 28 2012 07:52 grush57 wrote:
If you guys are unsure about Toad being pardoner, I'm fine with being it. I won't use the "POWAH." why are you more likely to not use the power than I am when we both said we won't use it? Is your word better than mine for people who don't know what your alignment is because I look like a mafia? Surely the discussion right now is either lyncher or town for my alignment. I mean it's completly wrong to assume I'm a lyncher but let's just take it for granted for a second: Do you think a lyncher would ever use that power? No he wants to survive as long as possible to gets his lynch target lynched and doesn't care about someone else. Why would I use that power as lyncher? That would lose me the game instantly. Yeah, but your supposed to be mason. If your lyncher, then it would be perfect for town. However, you claimed Mason day1 for no reason at all >.<. You said "if you don't trust Toad make me Pardoner instead". Why shouldn't we trust a townie? Should we rather trust a mafia instead? The mason has nothing to do with a possibility of being a pardonar AT ALL. 1. I said if you didn't trust Toad I'm fine with being pardoner. 2. You should obviously trust a townie, but we don't know that for sure for your case because you have been anti-town in several of your posts and claiming Mason for no good reason. 3. No. 4.Yeah obviously it has nothing to do with possibility you vote the VP. You just said if I am a lyncher I am perfect for the role, not that I want it but that's what you said. You just said that if I'm a town mason that's awesome as well because I'm town. Those are the 2 options right now. Either way I'm good for the spot, the only thing that makes me bad for that thing is the fact that I don't want it lol. Do you honestly think a mafia would claim like that? Sure I could understand a lyncher but a mafia? or a SK?
What do I do once people see I survived more than 1 cycle. Be all like "looool guyses, I'm modconfirmed townie but I chose not to talk to someone" ?And no I can't be RB'ed. Don't dip into wifom like that, it doesn't suit you. Also, why is being mayor so important? If you really are town you should understand why some people may be hesitant to elect you, but at the same time willing to give you pardoner since (as you correctly state), you should be able to confirm yourself by day two. We've pretty much established that pardoner is a dangerous role, dumping it off to you makes a lot of sense because we can then know for sure by day two whether you're scum or not. Your continued pursuit of the mayor role is odd. I'm dead n1...I want to take a mafia with me before getting shot in the face. And @ET I know it's not a good case but you're someone who says a lot without doing something at all. You are saying stuff that's a null ALL THE TIME or talking about stuff that is really easy to talk about. That doesn't necessarily make you mafia yet, but it makes me wonder why you are talking about that stuff instead of something actually useful and trying to stop BH when he actually tries to contribute.
The BH thing did not go the way I wanted to, so yeah lol, you have a minor point there.
But you did say "I think ET is most likely to flip mafia". That's something that I won't take lightly, Toad.
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There are currently 14(!!) people with 3 or less posts. 8 of those people have ZERO posts. We won't be able to win a game like this; it's not TL L where we have a couple of scumhunting gosus.
If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it ploxxxxx
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If you haven't posted/said much, now is the time to do it plssss
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Before you say "lol why he ask people to talk more when he not even say much what a scum",
there are actually 17 people with 3 or less posts!! COME ON GUYS I DONT WANT TO LOSE T_T
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Toad, you keep on saying I'm likely, somewhat likely, sort of likely, or whatever likely to flip mafia, even though I deconstructed your case already. It's pretty scummy for you to remain only on me thus far when you yourself admitted that your case on me isn't solid, especially since you are still running for mayor on the platform of lynching me. Either prove I am scummy, or shove off.
You're point about vets, while logical, doesn't make any sense for why they should be elected. If a vet has a strong town 1 read, they should present it and push it as per normal. A vet doesn't need a mayor power, or even an additional vote to get their scumread killed, if they actually have a case. If you are suggesting that we let a vet have the power so that they can lynch someone without a full case presented, I can't agree with that, as the only person who can have a pass like that is maybe Palmar. Like I said, if you truly think that the mayoral election is utterly useless, let's elect Hyaach. It's also interesting how you seemed to push hard towards being mayor, even claiming, yet now you are starting to shy away. Unless you are suggesting that you are the vet who deserves the spot?
austin, I believe it was toad, not jaj who said it was manipulative.
I'm going to watch the Muppets, then post my case on who I think should be lynched. In the mean time, no one else has any other cases to present? Just because there is a mayoral election, doesn't mean that scumhunting shouldn't go on.
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Catching up now fr. pg 24. Off-hand, considering Wiggles is probably more caught up than I am, he should be leader. I'm fine with merely denying Pardoner role (I'll never use it).
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On page 27 - Something to note is that kitaman puts the dichotomoy of "toad is lyncher or toad is mason. He cannot be scum b/c that would be dumb". He also states that since Toad is most likely not scum, putting pardoner role to him is fine. Well, what if he is lyncher and holds town hostage if they do not allow his lynch through (lynch X or I'm pardoning this day's vote)? What if he's the traitor? Making a claim that will lead to instant death is fine for a traitor; they'll have used up a town role/day of discussion, more than most traitors have done.
Continuing.
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Oh stop toad, I am not scum. If you end up being town, I will lol heartily in end game, because it's clear that you had a preconception that I was scummy, and have been tunneling me since.
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What do people think of Zealos? He looks pretty bad to me atm, though I might be skewed b/c I recently saw him play scum.
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Hmm... I doubt toad is scum, or 3rd party TBH. While I might not agree with his claim, and obviously I disagree with the whole "i want ET dead" thing, I don't think he's scum.
Toad, do you target your mason partner at night or at the start of the day?
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though.
Thoughts on Mayor: If possible, would the best mayor be the one that chooses the day1 lynch based off of a vote from town? Seems like this would be the most pro-town play?
Pardoner: Whoever agree's not to use the power ever seems to be the best bet. Yes, in some select scenario's it might be good to use it, but that seems to just be giving an excuse to any mafia player that could convince people that make him pardoner to use the power.
Now some of my reads: Toad - Seems to be very town provided he can prove it using his "mason" powers. If not, we can lynch him tomorrow.
BE - Leaning on town. His arguments earlier were annoying, but nothing that led me to think he's scum.
Hyaah - ???? Lurker, could well be scum, want to hear what he has to say about the game so far.
If I were to kill someone now: Sinesis - Been said before, but he's tunnelling very hard and doesn't seem willing to add anything to conversation except kill Grush. Who are your other scumreads? Who are you voting for as mayor and why?
I'd also like to note - I'm pretty lurky Day1 atm, I'm pretty busy, however, I'll have finished my last exam come midway through day2, and will become a lot more active then.
Zealos: Here are my thoughts guys:
1. I would be happy to FoS him (???), but don't want to for no particular reason.
2. Setup speculation when the time is past.
3. I think a bunch of people are town.
4. Let's kill the guy everyone wants to kill.
5. I'm busy.
I need to review his meta, but no one else is getting alarm bells from posts like these?
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RE: Sinensis
I highly disagree with a Sinensis lynch at this time. Sinensis is a player who has much improved since his first few games, but people who have played with him should remember that he can be very stubborn and set in his reads. In SoaF, convinced that BH was scum, he voted BH before the Day Post had come, where BH promptly flipped town doctor. In surprisingly normal VII, he wanted to lynch prplhz, a claimed vig who had shot scum. Sinensis is someone who can have a read and will stick to it until he dies.
Why would he run for mayor, if he was scum who wanted to find a way to be "unaccountable"? He could've just said "I want to kill grush. Therefore I vote for BH", and be done with it. The way he has done it, he has produced a lot of unnecessary attention.
I am more curious to see him D2, when he should be done talking about grush. Then it will be more obvious if he is scum.
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VE (or others), what do you think of Mattchew?
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Typo: the prplhz thing was in Normal Mini Mafia I.
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Well, they posted their candidancies at almost the same time (and sinensis said WTF U STOLE MY IDEA), so he's not completely exonerated.
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@Kita, frankly pardoner discussion over and Toad is not getting elected (sorry bud!).
VE doesn't buddy that much as scum as far as I can remember... his thread bombing abilities are usually a stronger tool.
Your opinions on other people I tend to agree with.
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Something to note; almost all people have said "I would be down with killing Sinensis!". Some have said the same about SnB, but many have said "I am sort of suspicious, but want more info first".
Both bandwagons, but different in tone.
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.................................it's obvious, I think SnB is the best lynch; I'm building my case atm. Seriously, stop tunneling me.
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While I think Zealos/Mattchew are scummy for a few reasons, I'd rather hold off on them for a few reasons. You guys better step up your play if you're town.
RE: Strongandbig
This case is late (which will be sure to set of Wiggles' alarm bells :p) and ninja'd for the most part, but here are my reasons for wanting to lynch SnB.
His campaign post has been already pointed out as strange. Why state "I am running for mayor b/c blue role is fun"? It appears that he doesn't care to run for mayor to help town; even when townies run for mayor off of bad reasoning, they at least appear focused in some aspect. SnB's campaign feels like a small conglomarate of generic reasons ("I will make cases. I will use pardoner role if I think it's ok but I will discuss it") that could easily be faked by a newbie scum.
While generally I would think newbie scum (he has had around 4 games now though? he's breaking out) would be reluctant to go for a role, note that his original election campaign was only for the pardoner. The pardoner role has much less accountability (no lynch, no extra vote), while still having some sway. I could see his vet scum buddies not wanting to go for election b/c no bodyguards, and instead let SnB go for it.
The majority of his filter is filled with posts like this, posts that don't really talk about much. While it is true that I have a long filter chock full of setup speculation, talking about general shit, etc., since I have a higher post count, I have the time to both post about that stuff, and post reads/opinions. In SnB's case, with his limited posting he has only posted one case, but worse so, he has posted very little opinions about anybody. He states that he thinks me and Wiggles look townie. Thanks bro, but that's about it.
He states that he thinks supersoft is scummy, builds case. While his case isn't bad, it consists of "this turn by supersoft is not logical, therefore he is scum". Read this last paragraph from his case.+ Show Spoiler +This reads to me either like SS and Toad are scum buddies trying to distance themselves and got too far, or (more likely) like a scum SS saw an opportunity to gain town cred by making an actual good case on a player who was not being towny but wasn't on his scum team, then backing off when he realized that the presence of third parties like a lyncher hurts town and probably helps scum.
It doesn't take much to see that the logic there is pretty convoluted. "looks like a scum SS saw he could make town cred, but backed off when he realized toad could be lyncher"? ...
And even now, when given an opportunity to take a stance on someone (Sinensis), he is still waffly. No me gusta.
Filter analysis seems to corroborate his scumminess.
His filter from Wheel of Fortune. He talks about setup speculation in an extensive manner along with a plan (that code thing). Has opinions on several people D1.
His filter from Space Station. Doesn't take stances on almost anyone, doesn't build much cases. Disclaimer: one of his first games.
Lastly, the case doesn't feel too "easy". This is more of an abstract thing, but when a lynch seems to be proceeding too easily (tons of people agreeing easily except for one or more so mavericks), then it feels like a mislynch. Think Janaan from TL Mafia LI; who actually opposed that lynch? SnB has had some people indicate that they see SnB as "null" or "not scummy enough" to lynch atm. However, since the progenitors of the case are people that I currently trust, I have reason to believe that the resistance is healthy, and the case is strong.
I will kill SnB if elected. Alternatively, if Wiggles is elected I hope he will pick SnB over Sinensis.
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On May 29 2012 05:53 jaj22 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 05:22 EchelonTee wrote:
Something to note; almost all people have said "I would be down with killing Sinensis!". Some have said the same about SnB, but many have said "I am sort of suspicious, but want more info first".
Some players who haven't said "I would be down with killing Sinensis!". Probably not a complete list: papapanda: Ignored the issue, despite mentioning BH, Grush and Sinensis and having played LIV. austinmcc: Very hedgy post on Grush vs Sinensis. Supersoft: Ignored the issue. Hyaach: Doesn't want policy lynch, but ignored Sinensis question otherwise. Toad: Thinks Sinensis's play is too bold for a mafia. Plus all the lurkers who have said nothing about anything.
austin and toad said they didn't think they were down with Sinensis, but they gave reasons. I posted 4 people in my analysis who said they didn't want to lynch SnB because 1. he's easy to read as town and 2. need more information. I see a disconnect between the two bandwagons.
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