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marvellosity
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On May 30 2012 06:42 supersoft wrote: hang me for not succeeding to keep you away from hanging the wrong guys. is that what you wanted to say? the point is that you didn't try to prevent it while it could be prevented, only once the deed was done. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 30 2012 08:19 Blazinghand wrote: but... I already notified the thread I didn't get a PM. should I do so again? "guys I didn't get a PM" or are you like backtracking the fact that you masoned me? wtf toad im so confused ;_; He's saying he put in to mason MZ first, then changed his mind to you, but for some reason the mason to MZ went through and not the one with you. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 30 2012 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Your trap? You know I'm not a fan of lying to town ever. That being said, it was a clever play if it pans out....my problem lies with how hard it is to convince town that your conclusion is the correct one in situations like this: for example, if SnB were scum, why would he provide ANY insight as to the night-kills? In fact, why would he comment on your hit at all if he were scum? I understand what you're saying in that "as scum he would know that scum didn't shoot me", but it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective to comment on your hit. Yes, agreed, plus the town motive is easy to see. Did any of you actually click Mattchew's filter? Nothing, nothing at all. If it's not a blue snipe it's an absolutely bizarre hit. I really don't see what's so odd in questioning it. | ||
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marvellosity
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Firstly, VE: </3 On strongandbig: I'm not seeing it. His filter reads to me as open, willing and earnest. He tried very hard to back down from an argument with BH in order to not shit up the thread (not helped by BH). I have almost no confidence that Matt's narrative that snb 'fell into his trap' is correct. On kita's case on VE: don't really see this either. VE is distinctly less argumentative than normal and this is promoting a good town atmosphere. Probulous agreed that the 2nd half of kita's case was more damning/suspicious, with VE having unfounded confidence in his reads at the time. Like, do you people read VE's games? This is a common occurrence, both as scum and town. Totally alignment unindicative. I'm picking out this post from among the detritus because it was shouted down/ignored by the vets posting at the time: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 10:27 austinmcc wrote: The nonexistent kind? I'm not defending him. I bring up the vote because: You brought up the no-vote in your initial 2 posts when you mentioned him. To the extent that the no-vote factored into your read, the read was off, but you may have been more focused on the crappy posting, in which case the no-vote is entirely irrelevant. Again, I'm not trying to defend Gambit here, I'm trying to see your reasoning. Why him over
Plenty of valid questions/points. Particularly it points out this: On May 28 2012 08:19 phagga wrote: Not through the complete thread yet, will catch up later. I'm against a policy lynch, as I think everyone should get the chance to improve. I don't like how Toadesstern claimed, and feel against voting him therefore. He is either throwing away his blue role or fakeclaiming to get the major. Both is bad. I like Mr. Wiggles reasoning, he looks like a good candidate. The other interesting option is ET, but I will have to read through his filter again to feel more sure. Mr. Wiggles and ET, do you already have some candidates for your lynch? Especially to the bold: he will catch up on the thread later. This was 2.5 days ago. People are merrily lynching Gambit because of 2 bad posts and ignoring phagga who makes a similar non-post but with only ONE post AND a promise to catch up later that went unfulfilled. Overall I think phagga and Gambit make quite good lynches for today. But I am most confident in a Zealos lynch still. Everything he posts says scum to me, and I am confident in my ability to read him. | ||
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marvellosity
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You know, the guy who made one wishywashy post, said he'd catch up on the thread but didn't, but has zero suspicion compared to Gambit just because wbg was hit. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 00:40 Toadesstern wrote: If I had to find another mason to summon Captain Planet I would have alread found him and won this game :p Now on to lynching: Kita or VE I'd say Well, if you want to lynch kita, "meta reasons i won't go into" isn't going to provide a particularly compelling case, dear. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: is "I'm confirmed town, so just trust me" a compelling case? No, because being town does not make you correct. Newb logic fail... | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 00:51 Toadesstern wrote: sure but that's more than you now about the rest And that provides a compelling case against kita how? | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 00:59 Toadesstern wrote: have you not read my mayoral campaing? We don't lynch into WBG, we don't lynch into Foru (because dead), we don't lynch into me, we don't lynch into wiggles. That's already 4 vets we're not willing to lynch into. Makes Kita / VE look pretty bad imo, even without meta. That's some bloody weak sauce. | ||
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marvellosity
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I'm not lynching on that. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 04:21 supersoft wrote: lynch wiggles and zealos!!! both scum!!! o hai grush. I agree on Zealos. Why Wiggles? | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 05:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Marvel why </3? I <3! Why </3? you lololing at me being on ken's list :< | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 05:08 Ange777 wrote: I would prefer voting Gambit over Zealos. A Zealos lynch won't give us much info. If the possibility of him being mason is the only reason against it, I'd still vote for Gambit. Do you think Gambit's posts have been scummier? What information do you expect to glean from a Gambit lynch? | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 05:09 VisceraEyes wrote: His list was (as far as I'm concerned) based on longevity. I lol'd because your name was out of place in that regard, not because of your skill. You a BAUS. [/buddy] Hmm, alright. My delicate flower ego has been assuaged | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: ^^ Now that we're in the consolidation phase marvel, do you REALLY have a problem with a Gambit lynch or were you just trying to get info from Bugs? I feel a lot more confident in a Zealos lynch. I read over like 4 of his previous games when I was looking at him in Magic and I think I have a handle on him. After I pointed it out how he started town/scum games in mafia, he's come in here trying really hard to make his first post look like 'townie' Zealos. Too hard. Then he hasn't followed it up with any substance. Only more weird and scummy posts. Town Zealos would be dishing out his reads, but he's cowering in fear hoping the topic of conversation would move on from him. I would consolidate on Gambit. His two posts are a bundle of nothingness disguised as somethingness. It's also possible that wbg was hit because he was suspicious of Gambit, but this doesn't have to be the case - could have just been hitting a vet. Anyway: ##Vote: Zealos | ||
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On May 31 2012 05:35 Ange777 wrote: Why is Zealos a stronger lynch in your opinion? I've basically answered that in previous posts, check my filter | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 06:00 Zealos wrote: You say I'd be dishing out my reads, and yet the only other large mafia game I've played in I was scum. You have no point of comparison. If I'm honest, I'm really struggling to keep up with this thread at all, there's so much more to read than in the mini games :S The most notable point of comparison is Game of Thrones. | ||
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marvellosity
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On May 31 2012 06:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, we have 2 hours and ~1/3 the votes. It seems as though the last two hours are going to be fraught with hasty decisions and lots of screaming and yelling. Anyone wanna sing Kumbaya with me before this whole thing goes south? We have a day, don't we? | ||
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marvellosity
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One thing I'd written down before I came to VE's case is the absolutely odd occurrence of people vaguely, kinda, sort of being suspicious of kita. wbg's 'he kinda feels scummy' sentiment, VE's *earlier* non-case followed by OMGUS vote and unvote, Toad's 'scum coz of meta I won't elaborate on' and Probulous' case that wasn't quite a case. What's going on here? My read on VE is all over the place. I was leaning town, now I'm not so sure. I agreed heavily with wbg's post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:32 wherebugsgo wrote: ok VE just did two incredibly scummy things. First of all supersoft pointed out something very valid: VE was all for pushing zealos but not actually putting his vote where his mouth was. Five minutes after supersoft posts this, VE makes a post unvoting gambit and voting Zealos. That's scummy thing #1. Scummy thing #2 is when some random guy comes in the thread and calls Hyaach scummy. VE immediately lets go of his Zealos vote and then votes Hyaach. It's like he has no sense of consolidation and he's just going with the flavor of the moment. This is what he did in LI where I came in the thread and said "hey hassybaby is scummy" and then VE voted hassy after I voted him, and kept saying how he was willing to kill him but changed his vote later anyway. The only problem is that in recent games VE has been willing to put together a bunch of names as scum all at once and he hasn't been afraid of calling them all out regardless of how strong the actual cases are (though he himself feels strongly about them, I suppose) usually though he tunnels at least one of the players. Right now I'm not feeling like VE has any sort of real conviction, and at the very least town VE has balls. All this rings true. I just don't get the flip-flopping. If townie VE was confident enough to shoot at Zealos night 1, why is it so hard to get him to keep to a vote on him today? Unfortunately, my thoughts very much sheep wbg's: On May 31 2012 17:00 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't like lynching VE cause he always flips town whenever he does scummy shit. On May 31 2012 17:04 wherebugsgo wrote: For now though my vote stays on Zealos since I'm more confident that he's scum. Based on VE's past few games I can't say I have what it takes to get a proper read on him. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Probulous and anyone who cares to read - please take a look over my filter for my thoughts regarding Zealos. Other people made what cases there were to be made based on Zealos' posts, and I have tried to explain why I think I have a meta handle on him and why he's scum. There's one post I refer to early on in my filter about Zealos that VE made himself, but didn't directly quote, so here it is, as I thought it was a very strong point: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Posts like this really irk (pun intended ^^) me. First of all, it's clear by SS's post that he's suspicious of Zealos - that is to say, that he thinks he's scum. Yet Zealos' response is "But I'm townie, why do you want to kill a townie?" The obvious answer is that he doesn't - if you ask anyone in this game, literally anyone, whether they want to kill a townie, scum and town alike are going to say "of course not what a stupid question." No one WANTS to kill a townie...but the idea that Zealos is attempting to plant here is that supersoft wants to kill a townie. It's a manipulation move. Don't let it work. I feel way more confident in Zealos than I do in my read on VE, who I very rarely get an accurate read on. Right, back to read the major cases. | ||
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