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On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 11:20 GreYMisT wrote:
I would like to give a big thanks to my friend and fellow Grubby mod "astroorion" for helping me send the PMs I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this.
"Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now."
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Yeah man, owning scum includes leading town to lynch said threats...If just KNOWING who are scum is enough to "own scumteams" then I'd be one of the most feared individuals on this site. As it stands I'm kinda a joke...so its whatever.
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Who is even attacking Toad?
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I don't share Toadesstern's reservations about ET. I think he's been fairly open and honest, and I don't see how those things can be construed as 'manipulative'. While it's true that some of his points about "The State of TL Towns" is superficially easy to say as scum, you have to bear in mind the motivation for making such a post. First of all, he now has to be held accountable for any style of posting that goes against this philosophy...if he starts wigging out and being hyper-aggressive then we can point to his campaign post and say "?!".
Add to that the fact that by and large I agree with most of what he's pushing and I'm willing to give him a shot. I think that if he really is scum, it's going to be hard to hide that fact if he's given 2 votes and a free lynch today - which he's promised to use by 'scumhunting'...another factor we can hold him to come the end of the day.
I don't think these things are "easy for mafia" to say at all, and I think Toadesstern is the one being manipulative here.
##FoS: Toadesstern
If you really are about to be "confirmed" * then you're going to need to step up your game sir. Put more thought into your accusations than a tertiary glance if you hope to be of any use before you're "probably targeted by n2 or n3".
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On May 28 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't share Toadesstern's reservations about ET. I think he's been fairly open and honest, and I don't see how those things can be construed as 'manipulative'. While it's true that some of his points about "The State of TL Towns" is superficially easy to say as scum, you have to bear in mind the motivation for making such a post. First of all, he now has to be held accountable for any style of posting that goes against this philosophy...if he starts wigging out and being hyper-aggressive then we can point to his campaign post and say "?!".
Add to that the fact that by and large I agree with most of what he's pushing and I'm willing to give him a shot. I think that if he really is scum, it's going to be hard to hide that fact if he's given 2 votes and a free lynch today - which he's promised to use by 'scumhunting'...another factor we can hold him to come the end of the day.
I don't think these things are "easy for mafia" to say at all, and I think Toadesstern is the one being manipulative here.
##FoS: Toadesstern
If you really are about to be "confirmed" * then you're going to need to step up your game sir. Put more thought into your accusations than a tertiary glance if you hope to be of any use before you're "probably targeted by n2 or n3". good example for a completely nontelling post. You FoS Toadesstern?! because you disagree with him regarding this ET guy? What is your plan?! What do you want? Toad claimed Mason; he reacted kind of okay when i pressured him (regarding that he's mason his reaction actually is okay). Please, make a plan and dont pressure around randomly. We got everything from toad he has to offer right now. Badluck he seems to be mason and we forced him to claim that.
Whoa whoa...let's back up the truth train here.
Now, from what I can tell I'm the only person who has even SAID they're suspicious of Toad or provided any reasoning for being so. Everyone else is either just disagreeing with the statements he's making or expressing disinterest in seeing him as Mayor. No one "forced" Toad to claim, and no one is "just throwing around pressure randomly". I gave reasoning for my suspicion and you come in here to defend Toad without giving him a chance to respond to my meager accusation?
Again, no one "forced" Toad to claim - it's my belief that if he's town, he claimed to posture for the Leader position, which he's actually proving by being hard-line against actually being Vice-Leader. The fact that you're trying to push the notion that he was "forced" to claim raises some serious red flags for me about you sir. What gives?
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Honestly I skimmed it, god damnit.
Okay I'll fully read it before I post anything else. TBH I just got done watching Capt. America in prep for going to see Avengers tonight and most of my opinion is from when I read the thread earlier today. I'm gonna go ahead and reread now before this blows out of proportion.
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Also please be aware: this is exactly the same type of play that sandroba made in C9++ that Toadess cohosted. Sandroba flipped Mason because he's baus and the situation was relevant for that game...the situation is totally different here, because if I'm understanding Toad correctly, he CHOOSES who he masons with. This is huge because what if he chooses Mafia and he's town? Obviously the scum would go along with Toad's claim and "confirm" him, but imagine the implications. Toad is using the Mason mechanic, which actually WAS alignment-relevant in C9++, as a means to "confirm" him, not the other players. But that makes you put trust in who he masons with too, whether consciously or not, just by virtue of him being in contact with "modconfirmed Toad".
This role is not one that I want in possession of any additional power. I do not want Toad to be Leader or Vice-Leader. The chance for manipulation is too great.
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Because they could get you to do something stupid like lynch a townie or pardon a Mafia or something Toad.
You're running on a platform of independence, right? That means you have to be held accountable for your actions, but here's the problem: if you're in contact with a really good Mafia player like Wiggles or Forumite (<3) who end up being mafia and they convince you to do something like pardon a lynch of a mafia, you can't like - backpedal and say "Well guys, really I was talked into it by XYZ" because the whole point of what you're saying is that you want to be held accountable yourself. So we lynch you and you're what, a Mason? So now what?
No, I'd rather just not even take the chance. Next game bro.
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It doesn't matter - the point is I just don't want EXTRA power in Toad's hands as a result, that's all. I'm not "denouncing"
Toad, I'm giving my opinion on the gamestate.
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I disagree, and we'll leave it at that. I'm well aware of how our arguments balloon.
I still want town to not vote for Toad, based on the risk involved alone. I want a pardoner who we can lynch if he uses the power improperly. It's a tool that should be used if the situation arises and I think denying it from Town is borne of the same paranoia I'm sure to be accused of for thinking Toad will be manipulated.
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Anyway I am super serious about running. To my credit, I think I'd make a better lyncher than pardoner based on my temperament (Liar Game comes to mind as extreme example of me exerting power over a lynch while Election comes to mind as example of using observation and decisiveness early game.)
In short, I think I prefer myself as Leader and ET as VL as the attitude he's displaying now is kinda exactly what I'd like to see in a pardoner.
Be honest guys, what do you think?
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If you are interested in the job wiggles I can vote for you. ET has verbal support from others and between you two I prefer you as Leader.
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What benefits if he's town? The only benefit that moves me when we're talking about a lynch is the benefit of removing a sum from the game...because that is what the lynch is for.
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I move that whomever is elected seriously consider Sine for lynch today. Pushing the anti-town notion that townies can be more dangerous to town alive than dead alone is enough to make me think he's scum, but the fact that he backpedaled makes it even worse to me.
He was running on the platform of "I'm going to lynch grush" based on the fact that he "ruined my last game". However, from my point of view, a policy lynch on another player based on a different game is tantamount to randomly lynching...which I'm staunchly against. Scum DO reveal themselves D1.
But this was an unpopular notion, and he has now backpedaled to "Well obviously I only mean as a policy lynch...if a scummier candidate presents himself obviously I would lynch him. But this isn't what he said. He said "I'm going to lynch grush if elected"
Right now Sine is my top suspect, and I think anyone who is elected should consider him for lynch.
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On May 28 2012 14:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 13:57 MajuGarzett wrote:On May 28 2012 13:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@Maju, see my last post. What's the issue its drawing attention away from though. I don't see him mentioning Wiggles as an issue at all, wiggles was probably just the first example of a good townie that he thought of. He could have picked anyone who's not dying today, myself, ET, wiggles, forumite, anyone who's been contributing. The whole point here is that he's putting grush up in comparison to people who aren't going to die which really muddies his reasons for killing grush.
Whoawhoawhoa pal...I'm still up for Leader and if you step outta line I waste you!
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Tell me a story about Kitaman MZ.
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No? Shall I tell you a story?
Once upon a time there was a player in this game named kitaman who much like his other veteran brethren had no interested in running for Leader of Earth. However, unlike his veteran brethren, kitaman had an idea of who he wanted to be mayor before posting. When Kitaman put forth Hyaach's name for election, the room erupted.
"Outrage! Why would you put forth a name of such little consequence in the game thus far?!" his brethren cried.
"Don't you see? My motivations are simple! I'm attempting to keep the elected role out of the hands of the dreaded Lyncher!" Kitaman replied sardonically.
Uneasily, his veteran brethren shuffled their feet and mumbled to themselves. Clearly unsatisfied with this response, one player rose from the ranks behind the veterans...
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Why would Kitaman care about keeping the Leader position out of the hands of the Lyncher? First of all, it's possible that there are as few as zero third parties in the setup, so that being a sole motivation for his election vote seems at the very least non-optimal...but even if it were guaranteed that there's a Lyncher in the game, who the dicks cares? I mean, as far as I know the Lyncher's target could be scum right? I don't know much about third parties, but that seems feasible.
My point is, this is the sole purpose of Kita's post endorsing "someone random". By that logic also, it seems Kitaman isn't concerned about electing a TOWNIE into the position, it seems his only inspiration is to "avoid electing the Lyncher".
This is suspicious behavior from someone who should know better.
On May 28 2012 05:49 kitaman27 wrote:
Lets end the discussion right now.
Toad is our pardoner.
It's the best of both worlds. It ensures we don't have a scum pardoner, which is the more dangerous of the two roles and it protects us from a mayor lyncher. If you're town toad, then great we denied the role. If not, then we don't really care if you would prefer mayor.
Again...something I found odd was Kita's insistence that we end discussion on the topic of Toad being elected Vice Leader. First of all, if anything was distracting it was whether the role is useless or not. But that's not the point that Kitaman chose to end on...he wanted the discussion of who is Vice-Leader to be over, and he wanted the conclusion to be that Toad is elected.
But he doesn't bring up a new topic of discussion or anything - just leaves it there. "Shut up guys!"
This is suspicious behavior from someone who should know better.
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YAY WE CAME TO THE EXACT SAME CONCLUSION INDEPENDENTLY!
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