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On May 27 2012 23:30 Toadesstern wrote:
So yeah I am quite confident that I'll lynch into a mafia d1 right now.
A bold statement when the day hasn´t really begun, more than half the players are yet to weigh in.
I´m agreeing with supersoft on this, he says Toades is scum and I´m inclined to agree with him. Toades explains more about his scumplay than townplay when he is making a case on his townieness, and he´s sounding more nervous than angry in his interaction with supersoft. I´ve seen many town-town arguments, and I don´t think this is one.
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On May 27 2012 23:33 Toadesstern wrote:
anyways, have to go now, until later tonight Oh well.
Toades did warn that he´d be leaving so I´ll wait for his reply.
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On May 27 2012 23:52 Manason wrote:
I'm leaning more towards Mr. Wiggles at this point. He's the only one who has given complete sound reasoning on why he should be vice-leader. He promises to basically never use it. So if he does he's either just a bad townie, or scum. And he knows we'd lynch him. There is only one reason I can find not to trust him which is, Assuming he is scum he wants the position so a townie can't get it and so that closer to the endgame it can become the difference between a scum win and a townie win.
Also I don't know if this has already been brought up, but assuming the mayor is a good townie I think it's reasonable to believe that they'll be killed the first night, after all why would scum want a good townie in a position with double votes, it can only be bad for them. So we should start looking a little bit more closely at our mayor candidates, because if any of them have brains they've already figured it out they'll be dead the first night unless they're scum of course.
The second half of your post is pure WIFOM. If the Mayor and Vice-Mayor survive a few nights then we´ll of course take a closer look at them, but that´s true for any player surviving player who is very active and generally agreed on to be town. What we should not do is tell scum that we´ll kill our best and brightest townies ourselves if they only leave them alone.
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On May 28 2012 01:44 Zealos wrote:
I think we're being a bit too quick to rush and attack Toad for something reasonably small. Although his entire election campaign was him showing off, the logic was at least there is some way or another. I certainly don't plan on voting for him based off of it though.
Why are you defending Toades?
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On May 28 2012 02:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Who is even attacking Toad? I am, I was just starting when he went offline. I´ll pick it up when he gets back.
On May 28 2012 02:31 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 01:47 Forumite wrote:On May 28 2012 01:44 Zealos wrote:
I think we're being a bit too quick to rush and attack Toad for something reasonably small. Although his entire election campaign was him showing off, the logic was at least there is some way or another. I certainly don't plan on voting for him based off of it though. Why are you defending Toades? Because that's my opinion of the game so far. It seems like everyone is ready to jump on, without really looking at rest of the game. Good to know everyone is jumping on Toades, I was afraid it was only me and supersoft.
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On May 28 2012 02:52 jaj22 wrote:
I don't think the risks of electing a lyncher outweigh the value of electing a good town player. A lyncher may not even have a town target, and the chance of a genuine mayor contender rolling lyncher is low.
It´s the other way around, those running for mayor have allready gotten their roles, and it´s likely that a lyncher has joined them because it´s good for a lyncher to become Mayor and immediately lynch his target, it´s MORE likely that one of the candidates is a lyncher. The lynchers target is also likely town, because there are more town in the game.
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On May 28 2012 04:46 Toadesstern wrote:
why would I want to have a pardoner. That thing is useless except for the deny-ing (however that is written in english) part.
We don´t want scum to be the pardoner. Having a (soon to be) confirmed townie for the Vice-Mayor is the perfect solution.
I can support voting Toades for Vice-Mayor, but I don´t want him as Mayor.
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On May 28 2012 05:58 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't share Toadesstern's reservations about ET. I think he's been fairly open and honest, and I don't see how those things can be construed as 'manipulative'. While it's true that some of his points about "The State of TL Towns" is superficially easy to say as scum, you have to bear in mind the motivation for making such a post. First of all, he now has to be held accountable for any style of posting that goes against this philosophy...if he starts wigging out and being hyper-aggressive then we can point to his campaign post and say "?!".
Add to that the fact that by and large I agree with most of what he's pushing and I'm willing to give him a shot. I think that if he really is scum, it's going to be hard to hide that fact if he's given 2 votes and a free lynch today - which he's promised to use by 'scumhunting'...another factor we can hold him to come the end of the day.
I don't think these things are "easy for mafia" to say at all, and I think Toadesstern is the one being manipulative here.
##FoS: Toadesstern
If you really are about to be "confirmed" * then you're going to need to step up your game sir. Put more thought into your accusations than a tertiary glance if you hope to be of any use before you're "probably targeted by n2 or n3". good example for a completely nontelling post. You FoS Toadesstern?! because you disagree with him regarding this ET guy? What is your plan?! What do you want? Toad claimed Mason; he reacted kind of okay when i pressured him (regarding that he's mason his reaction actually is okay). Please, make a plan and dont pressure around randomly. We got everything from toad he has to offer right now. Badluck he seems to be mason and we forced him to claim that. I´m glad to hear that I was pressuring Toades so much that it forced him to claim. Oh wait...
On May 28 2012 05:12 Toadesstern wrote:
And just to make this clear: I'm not a lyncher but even if you are scared about it I don't understand why.
But I'll make sure that the guy I want to lynch is the best guy to lynch anyways. On May 28 2012 05:13 Toadesstern wrote:
and for the first update (although I'm only on page now and I'm trippleposting): ET seems like a decent lynch right now, but nowhere clear on that one yet. When you, one of my stronger scumreads, accuse ET, one of my stronger townreads, of being scum then I´m having a hard time taking you seriously Toades.
I´m with VE on this, I don´t want more power to Toades.
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Supersoft, why did you accuse Toades at first, then turn around and support him? What changed?
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On May 28 2012 08:38 Toadesstern wrote:
I can answer that one: It's SS You and supersoft have a weird love/hate relationship in this game. If you are trying to distance yourself from a scumbuddy, then you are doing it wrong.
Just a thought on Toades claiming Mason as scum.
D2, player X claims to have been masoned, noone have yet to flip so noone is confirmed.
If Toades flip Scum, then X is Scum
If Toades flip Mason, then we know nothing about X
If X flip Scum, then we know nothing about Toades
If X flip Town, THEN and only then is Toades confirmed Mason
Usually masons who are confirmed for eachother are not confirmed for town until either dies. In this case we can only confirm Toades as town without killing him is if his masonbuddy flips, AND flips as town (which isn´t a guarantee), otherwise we can´t really take anything away from Toades claim. Mason can´t be used as a tool to confirm him, not until later and not unless the right person flips the right way, so the best use of the mason power should be for secret information. Toades didn´t try to use it for that, instead he tries to pass off his claim as a confirmation that he´s town, which it isn´t. It doesn´t makes sense. I don´t know what he is, but I don´t want him as Mayor.
On May 28 2012 09:07 strongandbig wrote:
1. I am not running for mayor. In case that wasn't obvious from my earlier post "don't vote for people who haven't made a case for mayor but only for pardoner". I haven't said anything like "vote for me" since I realized that the runner up for mayor gets the pardoner rather than it being a separate election. But, but, sigh...
##Unvote: strongandbig
On May 28 2012 14:32 Sinensis wrote:
Just like last game, the only people sticking up for grush are other people. He just can't give it the time of day. The people who are after me, what are your agendas?
VE I'm curious how many people would vote me right now if it were a regular day. Why should he stick up for himself? You want to lynch him without a case, so there´s really no reason for him to defend himself.
I liked ETs play, and either him or Wiggles would make a fine Mayor.
##Vote: EchelonTee
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@Toades
Supersoft was the first to call you out on your "I´m Running"-post, and you were arguing for a while, now for some reason SS doesn´t seem to think you are scum anymore, but you call him scum, which I find surprising for its timing.
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On May 28 2012 22:45 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2012 22:39 Forumite wrote:
@Toades
Supersoft was the first to call you out on your "I´m Running"-post, and you were arguing for a while, now for some reason SS doesn´t seem to think you are scum anymore, but you call him scum, which I find surprising for its timing. I never called him scum. I said that Kenpachi thinks he's scum. I called him weird so far. My bad, I saw someone ask about scum, and you saying "that´s easy: SS".
On May 28 2012 22:56 Toadesstern wrote:yeah sadly 
On May 28 2012 22:46 Toadesstern wrote:
and not to mention: I just can't be scum.
I'm either town (duh...) or a lyncher. Either way I'm going to die early because I am either a confirmed townie and you failed to vote a modconfirmed townie or I'm a lyncher who can't produce a mason result. This is what I don´t get about your play, you are not a confirmed Townie until whoever you mason with flips town. Until then you could be a lyncher trying to win quickly, or scum trying to mess up the first two days. Claiming Mason out of the blue does nothing to confirm your towniness, at least not today. Instead of claiming you could have tried running for Mayor in a normal way, instead you claimed for no real reason, and will now probably get shot in the night. Claiming increases the risk of you getting shot but doesn´t boost your chances of becoming Mayor, so why did you claim?
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On May 28 2012 23:13 Toadesstern wrote:
can't tell, don't want the guy to be shot. Also forumites conclusion on when or why I can or can not be confirmed is completly wrong for not obvious reasons but it's wrong.
See you in 3 hours again. I´ll accept that for now. If there are hidden mechanics involved with your role that might explain your play, but it doesn´t confirm you.
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On May 28 2012 23:04 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually rather vote forumite into an office than ET right now.
Of course I still want to lynch d1 myself because I'm awesome but there's a bunch of people saying it's dangerous:
Thanks, but I prefer not taking a town leader position, not that I´m a likely candidate in the first place.
On that note; You are suspicious of ET, what do you think about Wiggles? Have you thought of a good D1-lynch yet?
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On May 29 2012 02:55 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Also, some people have commented on either thinking that sinensis or strongandbig aren't the best lynch for today. However, between the two, who do you think is the better lynch? If you don't think either of them are good lynches, who do you think is? This is your chance to get your thoughts out in the thread and let us know what you think. Also, try to give reasons too, not just a name. Maybe it was a hivemind thing about BH and grush, but I think it was weird how they said the same thing, sinensis right after.
He´s not my first lynch-pick though.
On May 29 2012 03:03 supersoft wrote:
My strongest townread is forumite and therefor i vote him for office. I think everyone should do the same. Result will be, that most likely townplayers are in this office and not some players you guys expect to win the game for you. Btw this office with no bodyguards is no office we want to vote the players in, who are in danger of getting shot tonight. Thanks, but your vote is wasted, I won´t get enough votes to get elected for anything.
On May 29 2012 05:54 Sinensis wrote:
I honestly think grush is still the best target. I don't know where all this useful play people keep talking about is happening. All I have seen him do is count lurkers to make his contentless posts seem more substantial. I would be pretty sad if we lost someone who is actually posting when grush could have been in their place.
I think it is suspicious that BlazingHand isn't still pushing for a grush vote too. This is something I think he would do if he was town, especially since grush hasn't really mentioned being targeted yet. BlazingHand has a reputation for pushing people until they just stop responding. Instead he backed off just as soon as I started to get attention for it.
So, not changing my vote. BH realized a policy lynch is bad after grush started posting marginally usefull things. We don´t want a policy-lynch, we want to lynch scum, or at least scummy.
On May 29 2012 04:44 EchelonTee wrote:
What do people think of Zealos? He looks pretty bad to me atm, though I might be skewed b/c I recently saw him play scum. There´s my first scumpick!
Zealos is scum and needs to die.
On May 29 2012 04:40 EchelonTee wrote:
Oh stop toad, I am not scum. If you end up being town, I will lol heartily in end game, because it's clear that you had a preconception that I was scummy, and have been tunneling me since. ET, I´m disappoint
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Looks like ET will be Vice-Mayor and Wiggles Mayor. I´m okay with this.
How much time left?
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Wait, what? I catch up in the thread and miss something this big?
ET, why do you want to lynch SnB?
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I don´t want to lynch S&B, sure he took back running for Mayor, but after being abscent from the thread a while, there were several much stronger candidates, it was natural to back off. Also he is getting an odd read on SS that mirror my own. He´s not as towny as in Holy Roman, but we´re just starting, give him a little time
I think Zealos, or barring him a lurker, is a better lynch.
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On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Things like this, it´s just bad!
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On May 29 2012 07:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 07:40 Forumite wrote:On May 28 2012 18:34 Zealos wrote:
Right so, here are my thoughts:
SnB - He's seemed "Fishy" this game so far, and I would be happy to FoS him, however, I don't think there is enough there to say it is a good lynch. I'd like to see him post more thoughts though. Things like this, it´s just bad! good man forumite. Right now it looks like we'll be in for 6 modkills :/ (Everybody buddy me, yay!)
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