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On June 07 2012 18:08 Palmar wrote:
I guess I owe you guys an explanation.
I did not ragequit this game or anything like that like I saw suggested. Sure, I was wrong on one guy at the start, but my ego can handle that easily. I'm cocky enough to still think I'm awesome.
The problem was that the night before I announced I'd be asking for a replacement my gf had a miscarriage after 11wks of pregnancy, which is fairly late. It's not the end of the world, but I just had other things to do than play mafia. Obviously a thing like this is much harder for the girl than the guy, so I had to be there for her, and not spend hours reading and analyzing forum posts.
It's all good now, I even sent GM a message saying I could in theory rejoin the game the day before I got modkilled. But that probably wouldn't have been fair anyway, so with no one being able to replace in, I got modkilled.
So yeah, sorry about disappearing, but shit happens.
Holy, don't feel bad at all. You manned up, did what you had to do.
chaoser I hope you don't feel too down; the game was exciting regardless and pyp games are a mess.
GM still my favorite host, don't go into hibernation ><
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Oh btw sorry @ risk for being a jerk when it came down to the plan. I never meant that you had no right to change the plan I was just extremly frustrated that you didn't tell us about it BEFORE the deadline.
If you had an issue with the plan like saying vig is more dangerous than what we put in #2 spot (I would have btw agreed with it, just everyone else kept saying pardoner is really scary for whatever reason) you should have just told us before the deadline imo.
That just freaked me out, not because I disagreed with the action itself but with the fact that you did not tell us about it earlier. That's basicly everything that got me mad. And sorry for being so mad 
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On June 08 2012 04:47 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 04:31 risk.nuke wrote:
Sorry Mattchew but No. We're not even talking about the same things. I know the shot was not ment to go through. But it went through. The person died and flipped. Bringing him back is not an option. You fail to realize him dying was a town benefit then... You also fail to realize that you were basically confirmed town (and vig) and qatol was confirmed jk... The amount of benefits given to through this mistake far outweighed The missing of 1 lynch
What you call huge town benefits was actually just forcing us to to out our vig and jk. And it did not reveal or confirm our alignments. Want to try again?
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On June 08 2012 05:35 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 04:47 Mattchew wrote:On June 08 2012 04:31 risk.nuke wrote:
Sorry Mattchew but No. We're not even talking about the same things. I know the shot was not ment to go through. But it went through. The person died and flipped. Bringing him back is not an option. You fail to realize him dying was a town benefit then... You also fail to realize that you were basically confirmed town (and vig) and qatol was confirmed jk... The amount of benefits given to through this mistake far outweighed The missing of 1 lynch What you call huge town benefits was actually just forcing us to to out our vig and jk. And it did not reveal or confirm our alignments. Want to try again?
Yeah scum vigs shoot scum all the time and qatol was just proving his role (in a game where a scum and sk were caught due to lying about roles... You became confirmed town and qatol was confirmed jk... And what you are saying is that town should have gotten another lynch or you another shot, both don't account for your original shot going through and hitting someone... We didn't lose anything from the exchange we only gained more mod-confirmed information
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I'm sorry you wanted more power and it wasnt given to you but you are looking really petty and selfish right now
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And to qatol, I could have tried harder but after paqman went down it became a game more based on roles and numbers than behavior analysis as seen in the results (prOcess of elimination lynching should have killed zelblade and won for town)
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On June 08 2012 05:55 Mattchew wrote:
I'm sorry you wanted more power and it wasnt given to you but you are looking really petty and selfish right now
If that's what you think my angle is, well I'm sorry you can't see further then that. I legitimatly believe chaoser favored mafia.
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On June 08 2012 06:29 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 05:55 Mattchew wrote:
I'm sorry you wanted more power and it wasnt given to you but you are looking really petty and selfish right now If that's what you think my angle is, well I'm sorry you can't see further then that. I legitimatly believe chaoser favored mafia.
Cool beans dood keep arguing a decision you are the only one (so far) that has a problem with it... And keep calling me retarded... I'm sure this is gonna go well for you...
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On June 08 2012 04:58 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 03:41 risk.nuke wrote:
Qatol was the townie mvp no competition.
In the end truthfully I wasn't feeling confident on zelblade either after I died but as Mattchew said, there was to much time not to second guess and go paranoid.
I guess this game needs to end in a draw.
1 thing I still have a problem with was the turning my vig-shot into a lynch and cancelling the day. I can understand that something might be done since the host messed up. The mafia benefited greatly from that trade which you could really see in the lategame when we had less information to scumhunt with. Then on top of that you also took away our vig shot. I have a theory about this and that is that chaoser purposefully favored the scum more then neccersary and more then was fair because the scumteam had lost 3/4 of their team and was loosing badly. This is unacceptable. The mods can't be allowed for any reason to interfere in the game and rebalance it or give a side more or less help depending on how good or bad their position is. If the person you shot was town I would have done the same thing. Your shot would not have been returned. Regardless of all that though, town gained a huge advantage from the mistake and mafia did not "greatly" benefit from it as much as you think. Show nested quote +I have a theory about this and that is that chaoser purposefully favored the scum more then neccersary and more then was fair because the scumteam had lost 3/4 of their team and was loosing badly Also, losing*
If I shot a random townie we would had lost our lynch. I don't buy that. That doesn't sound fair anywhere.
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On June 08 2012 05:59 Mattchew wrote:
And to qatol, I could have tried harder but after paqman went down it became a game more based on roles and numbers than behavior analysis as seen in the results (prOcess of elimination lynching should have killed zelblade and won for town)
What about the time before PaqMan went down? I still feel like you were extremely lazy during the pre-day 1 process and during day 1 itself.
On June 08 2012 06:32 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 06:29 risk.nuke wrote:On June 08 2012 05:55 Mattchew wrote:
I'm sorry you wanted more power and it wasnt given to you but you are looking really petty and selfish right now If that's what you think my angle is, well I'm sorry you can't see further then that. I legitimatly believe chaoser favored mafia. Cool beans dood keep arguing a decision you are the only one (so far) that has a problem with it... And keep calling me retarded... I'm sure this is gonna go well for you...
I disagreed with taking away the vigi hit as well, though I understand chaoser's argument that he confirmed risk.nuke as the vigi and me as the jailkeeper. However, I just don't feel that it is worth arguing too much over. What's done is done and nothing we say about it now is going to change anything. Regardless, you aren't helping things by trying to provoke him further like that.
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I didn't care about any plans cause I knew I wouldn't partake in them so why would I expect others to? And then day 1 we had the sent situation... And by day 2 it was a numbers game... I did think barundar was scum so I pushed for him to get shot/lynched but I didn't need to push that hard
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On June 08 2012 06:52 Mattchew wrote:
I didn't care about any plans cause I knew I wouldn't partake in them so why would I expect others to? And then day 1 we had the sent situation... And by day 2 it was a numbers game... I did think barundar was scum so I pushed for him to get shot/lynched but I didn't need to push that hard
Then why didn't you mention that? It's clear that others were expecting you to partake. You should have posted your reservations. Day 1 you barely contributed to the sentinel situation. Night 1 you didn't contribute, and you definitely should have.
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On June 08 2012 03:41 risk.nuke wrote:
Qatol was the townie mvp no competition.
In the end truthfully I wasn't feeling confident on zelblade either after I died but as Mattchew said, there was to much time not to second guess and go paranoid.
I guess this game needs to end in a draw.
1 thing I still have a problem with was the turning my vig-shot into a lynch and cancelling the day. I can understand that something might be done since the host messed up. The mafia benefited greatly from that trade which you could really see in the lategame when we had less information to scumhunt with. Then on top of that you also took away our vig shot. I have a theory about this and that is that chaoser purposefully favored the scum more then neccersary and more then was fair because the scumteam had lost 3/4 of their team and was loosing badly. This is unacceptable. The mods can't be allowed for any reason to interfere in the game and rebalance it or give a side more or less help depending on how good or bad their position is.
A mistake on my part should not affect the standings of how well either team is doing. In this case, it did. Had I not made that mistake, the mafia team would have been in decent standings, especially since your shot got blocked by a townie roleblocker.
If Paqman later flipped mafia due to a lynch, there would have been heavy pressure on misder for roleblocking a shot that was aimed at a mafia that mafia could have exploited. So I did the best that I could, as a mod, to mitigate the damage that I had done to the game.
And it wasn't like I made the decision by myself. I was informed by Qatol that I should end the day early with a no lynch. In that case, since Paqman is dead, the only way he would be dead would be due to your shot. That is why I ended the day early and your shot was taken.
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On June 08 2012 08:09 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 03:41 risk.nuke wrote:
Qatol was the townie mvp no competition.
In the end truthfully I wasn't feeling confident on zelblade either after I died but as Mattchew said, there was to much time not to second guess and go paranoid.
I guess this game needs to end in a draw.
1 thing I still have a problem with was the turning my vig-shot into a lynch and cancelling the day. I can understand that something might be done since the host messed up. The mafia benefited greatly from that trade which you could really see in the lategame when we had less information to scumhunt with. Then on top of that you also took away our vig shot. I have a theory about this and that is that chaoser purposefully favored the scum more then neccersary and more then was fair because the scumteam had lost 3/4 of their team and was loosing badly. This is unacceptable. The mods can't be allowed for any reason to interfere in the game and rebalance it or give a side more or less help depending on how good or bad their position is. A mistake on my part should not affect the standings of how well either team is doing. In this case, it did. Had I not made that mistake, the mafia team would have been in decent standings, especially since your shot got blocked by a townie roleblocker. If Paqman later flipped mafia due to a lynch, there would have been heavy pressure on misder for roleblocking a shot that was aimed at a mafia that mafia could have exploited. So I did the best that I could, as a mod, to mitigate the damage that I had done to the game. And it wasn't like I made the decision by myself. I was informed by Qatol that I should end the day early with a no lynch. In that case, since Paqman is dead, the only way he would be dead would be due to your shot. That is why I ended the day early and your shot was taken.
Actually, I recommended (or at least was trying to recommend) that you end the day with a no lynch, treating it as if we had lynched PaqMan. I thought the shot should have been refunded.
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From: Qatol [ 2925 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: as an aside
Date: 5/21/12 03:01
I assume the mafia are whining about the PaqMan shot, or will be soon. If I were a host advisor in this situation, I would probably advise you to just go to night without a lynch and give risk.nuke to try and balance the mistake (assume the town lynched PaqMan). As a player I'm more greedy and more biased, though. I just thought I would throw that out there. It's obviously completely up to you and GMarshal.
When I first read it I thought you meant give risk.nuke a chance to try and balance the mistake with his second shot, which he could use right away since day ended and it was night.
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Well I didn't shoot qatol because I felt very sure that he he being last in the draft would had taken vet or hider and even if he didn't would have been protected by a medic (which was true).
Parity cop was more dangerous n3 to me because more confirmed town = gg.
I shot you n4 so stop complaining :D
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On June 08 2012 08:59 chaoser wrote:
From: Qatol [ 2925 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: as an aside
Date: 5/21/12 03:01
I assume the mafia are whining about the PaqMan shot, or will be soon. If I were a host advisor in this situation, I would probably advise you to just go to night without a lynch and give risk.nuke to try and balance the mistake (assume the town lynched PaqMan). As a player I'm more greedy and more biased, though. I just thought I would throw that out there. It's obviously completely up to you and GMarshal.
When I first read it I thought you meant give risk.nuke a chance to try and balance the mistake with his second shot, which he could use right away since day ended and it was night.
Yeah, I meant to say "give risk.nuke his shot back to try and balance his mistake". I clearly missed a few key words, my apologies. But that was why I sent this one 40 minutes later:
To: chaoser [ Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Re: as an aside Date: 5/21/12 03:40 I'm a little confused about why risk.nuke doesn't get his shot back (assuming for argument's sake that he is one, even if he isn't actually one - to be clear, you aren't admitting anything about his role by answering). Show nested quote +Original Message From GMarshal: Yes and yes, so if your roleblock a janitor who is trying to activate his power a.) The daypost has normal flips b.) The janitor keeps his power to use another night if he so desires. Original Message From Qatol:
If I roleblock a janitor who sends in the PM to prevent the flip the same night, does the flip happen?
Would he be able to use his ability on a future day post? This PM conversation indicated that at least Janitor would still be able to use his ability during a future night if he was roleblocked the night he tried to use his ability. Is there a reason why Vigilante works differently? Is it just the different situation?
Regardless, what's done is done, and this is a really tangential discussion which won't change anything now. I just wanted to make it clear that I thought you should have given him his shot back.
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Sorry for giving you a hard time chaoser, qatol is right and what's done is done. I thought you did an overall great job hosting. You had a stressfull and chaotic start but I though you really redeemed yourself over the game. You were a perfect host (untill the end).
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Really well done by town, town atmosphere was good and there was some good role picks as well. Mafia had 2 vanilla, town had 3. Personally I regret not saving Sentinel day 1 with politician power, but I wanted to keep the role a secret. Turned out Snarf not only confirmed it was in the game, he was also confirmed town, bah ^.^. I'm a little dissapointed how the activity fell after the key townies died, but I guess mafia needed all the inactivity help they could get.
@qatol I didn't shoot you because I didn't feel like I was in danger from you, and you where more mafia's problem. So I focused on sniping blues the first few days (sadly mafia did same), and by the time doctor was dead I was already doomed and just shot the confirmed town. I guess emotionaly I didn't want to shoot you for standing up to sandroba either.
GG everyone, thanks for hostig guys <3
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