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On May 20 2012 13:43 Qatol wrote: Actually, 4 hours ago (well, more like 4 hours 45 minutes by this point). Deadlines for nights are 1 hour earlier than deadlines for days. Thought he meant when the day post was supposed to go up. Anyways, hopefully it'll be up in the morning. | ||
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Have all appropriate night resolution PMs been sent out? | ||
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However, I think the problem I had with putting him at the top of my scum list though was this line here: I think we should lynch PacMan next, We had just lynched Sentinel and the conversation had moved away from PaqMan; then, he throws his name out again without anyone else, and also puts the idea in vigs heads to shoot him. Seemed kinda risky mafia play to me. What are your thoughts on that? Now, to turn the page a little. I'm wondering if all you vets out there (Qatol, sandroba, Palmar, anyone else wanting to take a stab) wouldn't mind helping me out with a look at slOosh. I'll admit, he isn't really a mafia candidate in my books, but he deserves a look as a possible SK for sure. I'm getting a much more wishy-washy feeling from slOosh than I had in a previous game I played with him. None of his posts seem committal and he constantly seems to be deferring decisions in the game to other players: I.E.: I would agree that Barundar's comment on wanting to say less is indeed suspicious, because the first instinct I had when people started throwing out my name was to clear it. But then wouldn't scum want to do that? Or SK? So I'm confused. But that might be the intended effect of that play. We see that early on he does push the Mattchew could be scum idea, as well as the general theme of tying up roles / rolepicks, which does play into the SK motif. What are people's thoughts on the mass roleclaim at day? I'm not sure because people expressed reservations but it may just have been for the night time and not the plan in itself. Also, his "longer" posts have been more concerned with mechanics than scumhunting: [example] Compare this with the slOosh from C9++ mini mafia: Link to Filter He is quite a bit more assertive and more proactive in finding mafia in this town game: [click][click] @slOosh: What gives, man? Why do you seem so wishy-washy this game? Finally, my own opinion in regards to the roleclaims: I think we should come up with a list of most suspicious people and get them to claim first. People like hiro protagonist. | ||
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Also, I am marv's townie mason buddy. Sorry my position in queue wasn't higher. Finally, I agree with Qatol's order of claiming. Misder has already claimed that he has a role, so slOosh should now too. | ||
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risk.nuke Vigilante -> shot paqman n1 (claimed vig very early with possibility of counter-claim so likely confirmed) marvellosity Mason -> partner is Snarfs Mattchew Dayvig shot deconduo zelblade VT tried for JOAT (claimed JOAT before Sentinel was revealed so almost confirmed) Misder Claimed Roleblocker -> Block Palmar n1, block hiro n2 (Confirmed there were roleblocks) slOosh Claimed Parity Cop -> Checked Talis n1 Palmar n2 (same) Toadesstern Claimed VT tried for mason Barundar Zephirdd Claimed VT tried for politician hiro protagonist Claimed Doctor -> Save Qatol n1, save Qatol n2 Palmar Claimed Pardoner Snarfs VT tried for politician Qatol Jailer -> Jailed risk n1 modconfirmed, jailed marv n2 sandroba VT tried for mason Probulous VT modkilled day1 | ||
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As others have pointed out, it makes little sense for either of them to claim the way they did. However, it makes less sense for Barundar to claim that role second. The only goal Barundar could have is to get the doctor lynched so that he has a free shot at Qatol tonight, but then he still dies tomorrow and mafia lose. If Barundar is mafia, at the time of his claim, he had given his team a ZERO percent chance at winning. At least hiro, with his earlier claim, could have been hoping that Barundar did not pick doctor, in addition to knowing that if he causes a mislynch of a doctor he can shoot Qatol. If Hiro is mafia, at the time of his claim, he had a GREATER THAN ZERO percent chance of winning. In addition to this, hiro makes the most sense for mafia. I agreed with much of what Qatol said in his case and had come to similar conclusions before the whole roleclaim. Especially notice how he just says that he does not think we should lynch Sentinel without any reasoning. [Link] Now, knowing that he is in the mess of things, I think that he is a more viable target than Barundar. Think about it from Barundar's and hiro's perspectives. Barundar just threw the game if he's either mafia or SK. This would be the last explanation I would give for anyone's play on TL. hiro at least had a chance that Barundar would not claim doctor. I suggest everyone switch to hiro as it makes more sense logically for him to be mafia. ##Unvote Barundar ##Vote hiro protagonist | ||
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On May 23 2012 16:02 Qatol wrote: 2. Snarfs, you being the mason townie makes me sad, and not just because it means we have a bigger list of players to sort through to find the SK. You were my strongest townie read by far and I was hoping to confirm someone else I wasn't quite so sure of.  I think you're mostly on the right track. The only thing I'm unsure of is voting for Barundar and assuming that everyone else is telling the truth about their picks (I know others are doing more of this than you are). Do you think we are better served by going for the people who are likely to be SK or the people who are likely to be mafia? Or maybe the one player who stands a decent chance of being either one (Zephirdd)?I think that we given the current information, we should be lynching hiro protagonist as he has a 1/2 random chance of being scum, and a much greater chance than that based on actions we've both identified in the thread. I think that we should wait and see what happens after the lynch today, then help the other role players in the game decide how best to use their actions. People like zephirdd will need to be confirmed somehow, and I agree that he does stand a decent chance of being SK, though maybe not mafia. About the vote on Barundar: We can discuss this after the game  | ||
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On May 24 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote: Snarfs I would usually totally agree with you. But this isn't a normal game anymore after the sent flip. I just don't think there is a way to figure this out based on the role claims AT ALL. Both are equally mafia-esque. Barundars action makes a little less sense than hiros action from a not-town perspective but he could do that on purpose. I doubt getting the medic (if there is one) is a goal. I'd say the one who is not town out of those 2 gave up the game and wants to be lynched which makes it incredible hard to judge wether something makes sense or not from a mafia point of view. We should see to it that one of those 2 is lynched today, It makes no difference who get's lynched first except for the lucky factor if we hit mafia or town but there's just no reasonable way to figure this out. I do not think that we should play as though they gave up. Even so, I believe that based on actions in the thread, hiro is likely mafia. If you haven't already, you should reread Qatol's analysis I linked in that post. Finally, if nothing else convinces you and you are down to a coinflip between the two, you it might as well sheep Qatol. Conclusion: Before the roleclaim, both Qatol and I thought hiro was a good mafia candidate. After the roleclaim, hiro is one of two people caught in a 1:1 trade. I believe that hiro should be lynched. | ||
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On May 24 2012 01:24 Toadesstern wrote: I think so to but not by far and people wanted to barundar lynched first. I'm not exactly in a position were I can talk about 80% of the people and tell them to switch votes. I said Barundars action makes less sense from an anti-town position as well earlier when I was talking with Zephird but he and zelblade disagreed and so I stopped talking about it because as mentioned I don't really have the platform to do that in this game anymore. A hiry lynch is SLIGHTLY better but the important thing is that a lynch happens today so make sure we don't no-lynch please :p Still plenty of time to get hiro lynched  | ||
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On May 24 2012 07:22 hiro protagonist wrote: To sum up, Snarfs, I found a hole in your logic: It makes sense for a SK Barunder to counter claim IF he thinks I am scum and lieing. IF that where true, then he would have A MUCH GREATER CHANCE AT WINNING. On May 24 2012 01:07 Snarfs wrote: The only other option is that Barundar is SK and he is counting his entire game on the fact that hiro is mafia. Either way, we have scum, but it makes more sense to lynch hiro today. I covered that already. | ||
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I'm not sure if shooting Barundar is the play here when we can lynch him tomorrow and possibly let risk get rid of someone he finds suspicious. Either way though, he should definitely be roleblocked. I'd probably shoot Toad or zephir here to clean up some of the unconfirmable roles who were on the wrong side of the Sentinel lynch. slOosh can check into the opposite one. | ||
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Anyways, I thought about it last night, and I agree with Qatol. The extra couple of days of discussion would only benefit us; therefore, we should roleblock and shoot Barundar tonight. I'm going to give the thread a reread tonight and come up with some better ideas about who the last scum could be. | ||
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I was roleblocked + shot at and saved (in other words Qatol successfully protected me). | ||
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On May 25 2012 16:55 sandroba wrote: @Qatol Do you think it's possible zelblade outed the scum on top for no reason, by claiming that shit way early? Why would he do that as mafia? I'm inclined to agree with this line of reasoning. The timing of him calling shenanigans on the top 3 players was much too early. [link] He was essentially the first person to cast suspicion towards the top 3 players. | ||
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Mainly because on day 1 he was trying to find any reason possible not to lynch Sentinel (or anyone in the group at all). Many of which included trying to explain how all 3 could be town. I could understand not wanting to lynch into them because you think you have a better scum target, but trying to explain that all 3 could be town seems to come from a different mindset. This only makes sense if you don't want to start lynching into the group at all (ie. you want them all to live so that the scum in the group doesn't get found out) Some of his reasons for not lynching into the group include: a) They could all be town b) If we mislynch we could potentially lose a strong blue role c) We get 0 information from the lynch d) It will cause confusion e) It's a 2/3 chance to lynch town for nothing f) even Qatol would be a better lynch candidate than those 3 although he's looking pretty townish right now ?? This is full of contradiction: I am pretty certain if I was a towny in Risks position and I picked janitor I would lie about it as well and I would vote sent as well. I have no idea why that is supposed to be scummy. If risk IS a janitor he's probably town. If he's not he's probably not. I don't know wether or not he's a janitor yet but I think I understand what he's doing, therefore the lightish-green color and it makes sense, although I don't really like it, but that's risk. I never like what he's doing. He would do what risk is doing in his position, but doesn't like what he's doing? People have pointed out all the time that I am looking like someone with a townie mindset. Trying to catch scum with that mason thing, confirming marv and all that, yet people come here and say "well that could be Toad doing that for towncred". Why the assumption that I do good things for towncred instead of the assumption "well that looks townish, he's probably town" ?!? This is just plain wrong. I don't really remember people claiming he has a townie mindset, nor that he is doing things for towncred. At this point, come tomorrow, I would prefer his lynch over anyone else who might seem scummy. It's too much of a stretch for me to believe that Toad actually thought all 3 of the people in that group could be town. | ||
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