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True, true. I'm still of thought that Palmar is the last scum, as from the list of risk voters he is the least towniest.
As for the 1 missing KP, if people aren't notified of saves then it is likely that mafia shot SK and they are in understanding that they need each other to win. Next day we need a majority lynch by clear margin lest we run into this "politician swapped my vote" shenanigans.
What are people's thoughts on the mass roleclaim at day? I'm not sure because people expressed reservations but it may just have been for the night time and not the plan in itself. Pros are we might catch people with contradictions and it puts immense pressure on the anti town players, but cons are if they survive then they have a clearer idea of how to shoot (maybe?).
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Are we going along with Qatol's plan?
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EBWOP: I am happy to comply to the plan for the aforementioned benefits. Will be going to sleep now and will be here tomorrow.
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Catching up on the latest posts. Will respond to Snarf's / Qatol's concerns afterwards. I do have a role.
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slOosh's meta seems off
I was typing up a whole explanation but I realized it doesn't really help us find the anti-town players so I'll just say that my play here probably looks much more like my play in TL Mafia LI, where I was shot N1 as a blue suspect (due to thread presence drop). I'm always hungry for direction and am not really that confident in giving it myself in new situations (in LI it was due to the sheer size, this game is due to PYP aspect), thus the blatant sheeping on my town read. Nevertheless, I ease into games and as more time passes no doubt you will see more activity / discussion and whatnot from me.
Night Kills
N1: Talismania the witch and PaqMan (vanilla) died. There is 1 unaccounted KP, most likely explained by scum shooting the SK, as no one has claimed the shot, indicating that either Talismania did not use his power or chose not to give the potion after seeing the death list.
N2: Bluelightz died and Zephirdd claimed the second shot.
Conclusion: The last mafia knows the identity of the SK and will no doubt want him alive to help whittle down town numbers. There is no janitor in the game as N1 and N2 are the most optimal uses of it. Along those lines a copycat CPR is highly unlikely as the only way to attribute the lack of KP is that both scum and SK chose the same kill target two days in a row.
Additional side note: I don't think people have given Bluelight's case on Barundar as much consideration as it deserves. He is the role-cop and no doubt he would have utilized his check on someone he found suspicious, and a good portion of N1 discussions were centered around Barundar.
Role Claim
I am actually very eager to role claim. I will however hold back because of the tiered system, plus my claim is worth some discussion and would not like clashes / misdirection to occur in the thread.
At this point in the game, the unknowns are slOosh (me), Misder, Barundar and hiro's role claims. Everyone else has claimed something (whether they are lying or not is a different point).
Pre-edit: saw the thread and yea I guess I'll just claim in the next post I make.
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I am the Parity Cop. I anticipated and checked Talismania N1.
I checked Palmar N2. Results: Same.
Conclusion: With SK having the probable role of politician, Palmar's pardoner (and therefore not godfather nor traitor) claim, and the inability for the framer to frame the self, combined with the high unlikeliness of the traitor (if one exists) 1 shot framing Palmar that exact moment, my check has really high fidelity. Therefore, Palmar is town.
Remarks: I was eager to claim because
1) My role choice would clear my name somewhat. Why would mafia choose parity cop. I guess SK might choose it to determine mafia team, but unlikely.
2) It would reveal an investigation on a known strong town vet (Palmar), helping us find the anti-town by process of elimination
3) No doubt I will now be considered as a potential hit target, which pressures the anti-town because while they want to kill roles that could really screw them over, they also want to keep potential mislynches alive, and no doubt I am one of them (maybe not this cycle but potential is there).
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On May 23 2012 03:10 Misder wrote:
I'm roleblocker (obviously blocked Palmar N1 and hiro N2).
To SlOosh.
Can you explain your roleblocks?
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On May 23 2012 03:23 Misder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 03:12 slOosh wrote:
slOosh's meta seems off
I was typing up a whole explanation but I realized it doesn't really help us find the anti-town players so I'll just say that my play here probably looks much more like my play in TL Mafia LI, where I was shot N1 as a blue suspect (due to thread presence drop). I'm always hungry for direction and am not really that confident in giving it myself in new situations (in LI it was due to the sheer size, this game is due to PYP aspect), thus the blatant sheeping on my town read. Nevertheless, I ease into games and as more time passes no doubt you will see more activity / discussion and whatnot from me.
Night Kills
N1: Talismania the witch and PaqMan (vanilla) died. There is 1 unaccounted KP, most likely explained by scum shooting the SK, as no one has claimed the shot, indicating that either Talismania did not use his power or chose not to give the potion after seeing the death list.
N2: Bluelightz died and Zephirdd claimed the second shot.
Conclusion: The last mafia knows the identity of the SK and will no doubt want him alive to help whittle down town numbers. There is no janitor in the game as N1 and N2 are the most optimal uses of it. Along those lines a copycat CPR is highly unlikely as the only way to attribute the lack of KP is that both scum and SK chose the same kill target two days in a row.
Additional side note: I don't think people have given Bluelight's case on Barundar as much consideration as it deserves. He is the role-cop and no doubt he would have utilized his check on someone he found suspicious, and a good portion of N1 discussions were centered around Barundar.
Role Claim
I am actually very eager to role claim. I will however hold back because of the tiered system, plus my claim is worth some discussion and would not like clashes / misdirection to occur in the thread.
At this point in the game, the unknowns are slOosh (me), Misder, Barundar and hiro's role claims. Everyone else has claimed something (whether they are lying or not is a different point).
Pre-edit: saw the thread and yea I guess I'll just claim in the next post I make. You have the night kills wrong. Zephirdd claimed the third hit on N1; we are still missing a KP for N2.
Ok, then just shift the shot on SK to N2. Could you answer my question to the reasonings to your roleblocks, as well as why the error on the night kill was the only thing you found worth mentioning?
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EBWOP: ninjaed. Sorry, I'll let you post.
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Well that rules out hiro as SK, as if he were roleblocked then he would have died if shot, and there is still an unaccounted for KP, and no one chose to pick a defensive role (protective roles all accounted for if I'm not mistaken).
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Barundar needs to claim as soon as possible. We should also start considering today's lynch / tonight's actions.
We currently have a vig shot, parity investigation, roleblock, jailkeep and pardon (not that we need it) at town's disposal assuming no liars. We can use them at our discretion and if something falls through whoever is responsible will be lynched.
I'm thinking that lynching SK is much easier than killing him at night, which is why I lean the lynch SK vig mafia route, but that of course depends wholly on Barundar's claim and consequently what we decide as town lynch. I personally think Hiro's claim is really safe whilst Misder's claim has been both confirmed and reasonable explanation has been given for his actions.
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On May 23 2012 05:06 hiro protagonist wrote:Im no longer confident in my case on zelblade  I need to re-read things. Barundar needs to claim in order to clear things up. Im feeling good about calling Misder town seeing how he and PacMan chose the same numbers, and PacMan ended up VS. He might have tried for roleblocker. Last scum is one of zelblade, Zephirdd, or toad. likely to be SK are sandroba and Barundar.
Hold up. Even though you are no longer confident in your case you still find him scummy enough to put him into a scum list?
Please explain how you came to this conclusion and aren't merely following town sentiment.
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(Bold is people who voted risk, italics on those who voted sent.)
Everyone: thoughts on the current claims while we wait for Barundar's claim and hiro's findings?
Possible discussion topics: vanilla claims being lies. My, Misder's and Hiro's claims. What we should be doing as town for today's lynch (go for scum lynch or SK lynch), or tonight's actions.
My thoughts
We can call marv and snarfs basically confirmed town with their mason claim.
Therefore we can trust snarf's politician pick and thus someone above him must be politician.
We have deduced that scum politician would have used his powers to save sentinel, and therefore SK is the politician.
Misder's role is confirmed through his targets, Palmar and hiro.
My role is unconfirmable.
Hiro's role is hard to confirm as either we deliberately shoot someone or make sure person X doesn't die.
Maybe we can vig someone suspicious and have hiro save them to confirm either one.
The possibility of the false vanilla claims still holds true. Hiro brought up the potential of zelblade lying about bouncing off JOAT. Toad's mason bounce, Zephirdd's politician bounce and sandroba's mason bounce could also be lies (not saying that they are, but the possibility is there).
Thoughts?
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True, I just didn't want everyone to stay mum waiting for a claim that might not even happen, and we can still hunt for the final scum should Barundar be the SK.
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Hmm. Zephirdd claimed getting shot on N1. Do you think this was a lie to introduce confusion about KPs? That Zephirdd actually was not shot but he as scum shot Barundar, and seeing how Barundar did not claim found the need to claim himself?
Reminds me of that IRC mafia game where someone just forgot to check a PM they were shot, and scum got nervous and lied.
Was Zephirdd shot, or is he lying, and if he is why did he feel the need to do it?
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Oh, and I agree that Zephirdd is looking like a good lynch for today. Beside his "reaction" to the day-vig, his filter does play along mafia agenda. For instance:
On May 16 2012 23:07 Zephirdd wrote:
I want to see Bullet Bill and Mason. BBill is a great kind of DT, which could be used to find suspicious players, ESPECIALLY in the event a suspicious player claims a non-bullet role. A BBill that finds powder in a non-bullet claim confirms the target as scum(if you assume there was no frame, ofc)
In hindsight we see that scum team picked predominantly KP roles (or at least aimed for roles with guns), giving them a perfect cover up for BB checks. His reasoning for voting risk is shaky ground, on the sole premise of risk playing to his own style, defends PaqMan, really pushes for risk, and even though he is aware of the possibility, it takes him 2 days to realize it was actually him who got shot.
On May 20 2012 23:46 Zephirdd wrote:
My guess is that the witch protected someone before dieing. On May 22 2012 06:34 Zephirdd wrote:
by the way, just logged in. I was saved. I'm the last KP missing I guess lol.
Townies could be wrong. These could be honest townie mistakes. But when they start adding up, I'm more inclined to say that there is hidden agenda behind them.
Hiro, feel free to weigh in on the discussions if they are relevant to your current findings.
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A mafia medic hiro would have undoubtably protected PaqMan. We can rule that possibility out.
I still think hiro went with a really safe claim and the lack of promised case / findings puts him at anti-town for me.
And since he can't be SK (barring someone not sending in KP which I don't buy) he must be the mafia ____.
##Vote: hiro protagonist
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Righto, will be RNGing my final check from Toadesstern, Zephirdd, and Sandroba (Qatol's recommended list).
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We only have 1 more shot left anyways. Risk's bullet wasn't refunded. 1 bullet for Barundar.
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