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On May 16 2012 20:41 Barundar wrote:Regarding Mattchew, these posts stroked me the wrong way: Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 01:54 Mattchew wrote:On May 15 2012 01:51 sandroba wrote:
@mattchew sorry i missed it. I would say yes, very town favored. 15 blues aren't guaranteed though.
I have a new adition to the denial plan
4.pardoner
He actually sends pardon through pms so we profit from knowing where it is. Ok.. so what if we assigned everyone to enter a number and also assigned them a role. It would create a pre-game accountability for people and we would have better shot of getting 10+ roles to town... theres something wrong with this plan that needs to be pointed out to me.. i just cant figure out what it is yet Doesn't push his plan, just suggest it and asks for it to be shot down. decon has definitely agreed to the plan, so why would he ask this? Could be to try and passively push the plan (that he hasn't really commented on) or role fish? That said I have yet to do any extensive digging through past games yet on him.
TL Mafia Area LIII as a scum game, I don't know any of his town games.
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Since there are people here, Would anyone want to discuss if we should/shouldnt get a role-cop?
and hider strategy.
The benefits I think would be that for example we could confirm the 1,2, &3 spots in the first 3 days effectively, as well as finding if the people actually agreed to the plan. The cons, nothing, I don't see any disadvantage to someone picking rolecop.
Also, I have thought of this but if a Veteran Player picks hider couldnt he just hide behind lurkers everyday forcing scum to either kill the lurkers or risk having said veteran player live longer, there is the possibility of scum getting this role though as this is advantegous to them as well, but it is more better for our vig's to destroy lurkers then them waster their 1 kp on lurkers every night to kill that veteran.
Any opinions and new ideas for role strategy are welcome.
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On May 16 2012 21:35 risk.nuke wrote:
Oh and denying cpr is stupid. The Janitor. there is a dangerous role. Cpr. Not so much Toad got no idea what he is talking about. Or rather he only sees half the picture.
Umm, risk plz explain this post by answering these questions, this post is just random baseless bullshit thrown into the thread.
Why is denying cpr stupid?
Why is Janitor more dangerous?
Why does Toad got no idea what he's talking about?
Are you Mattchew? Your post's are exactly like his
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@Qatol as Comments to your idea ( may be first and final as I'm gonna be sleepin when this commenting thing is over hahahaha T_T).
First, I would like to see Jailkeeper + Bullet Bill.
Because, the Jailkeeper while not that strong seems to be forgotten, it has two uses compared to the doctor, but the difference is that both have downsides. The uses are that, to protect, but the downside for this one is the person being protected cannot use his role if he is blue, and the other use is that it can offer an alternative to grabbing role blocker as it can roleblock scum if used correctly but it may protect them for vig shots (unlikely though),
Second, Bullet Bill while it seems that it is weak (as it detects ALL KP roles, not just scum kp roles.), it is useful, as demonstrated in Pick Your Power: Interesting by Radfield, with enough teamwork and communication, scum may be outed very quickly through the use of this role.
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Matt, I believe your town, you actually try and convince others of your innocence this time  .
What is wit these needless role claiming, it just's elimenate's possible blues from scum's to-kill list.
I believe any copycat should claim now or scum HAS gotten copycat as if the copycat (which im sure is here) if he is town, would claim to reduce confusion about if scum got CPR or not.
People, please discuss scum reads now, even though the Matt thing is a good thing to discuss, we need to decide on a good lynch target for today.
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@Barundar, I picked [13][3], if that matters.
Everyone. Shut up about roles now, it was good when we started, but nowwe need to do scum hunting asap, we're just grasping straws with discussion about 'omg did a scum copycat get CPR' as we don't have any real proof on either theories. As further reasons for why its bad, it's bad because that it gives a scum an excuse to keep on posting about (as an example, as scum, Ace spent some/most his day 1 in Wheel Of Fortune Mafia with role speculation.)
As for scum hunting, my suspicions on the top 10 part of the draft order.
First, I'd like to voice my suspicion to risk.nuke, as for reasons I pointed out earlier (he was and still is spouting reasonless things into the thread), and also because he is not scum hunting, even, he encouraged scum hunting when I suggested we do it at the role-picking phase, he still has not done anything.
My suspicions on the bottom 10 are going to come later as I read more filter's.
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Toad:
Why would I do that as we were not discussing any lynch targets, I can't just say like 'Hmm so CPR' 'NONONONOONONO HES TOWN KK" at that time.
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On May 18 2012 07:29 Palmar wrote:
I'm thinking we should murder Qatol. Need to read a bit more before I make up my mind. I will post a few more things tomorrow.
Sandroba, how do you feel about that?
Palmar don't pull a Palmar vs Mr.Wiggles from Purgatory :3 (As in Purgatory Mr Wiggles like Qatol has contributed a ton and his effort is very clear, but Palmar seems very scummy though.)
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My suspicions on Bottom 10:
Misder has only 1 pager of filter and has done little to no scum hunting.
Please, feel free to request me for more opinions.
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Actually, risk.nuke is kinda the same as Purgatory if I recall, he claimed VT with no fear like here, but one cycle earlier. Also, I think a scum risk.nuke wouldn't be so bold as to claim VT.
Still thinking about him though.
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On May 18 2012 09:38 Misder wrote:
I think there is definitely mafia in between risk.nuke, marvellosity, and sentinel. I don't see how there is any benefit to town lying about having the Janitor role at all. I also think we should deal with the Janitor role first.
Qatol: If you thought that Janitor is a really strong role for mafia that it warranted a denial, why is lynching Paqman more ideal?
Paqman: Who do you think is Janitor?
Sentinel: Why are you not voting risk.nuke?
Hello Reasonless Stuff, can you please make a reason?
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On May 18 2012 11:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote:
Actually, risk.nuke is kinda the same as Purgatory if I recall, he claimed VT with no fear like here, but one cycle earlier. Also, I think a scum risk.nuke wouldn't be so bold as to claim VT.
Still thinking about him though. when did he claim vanilla vt here?
Ahh sorry misread his post  .
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Alright, I'm happy and as I think Sentinel is a liar, I will make a case on him instead of a just 'oooh look at dis reaction and stuff!'
Firstly, as others, Sentinel at the start of the game happily goes and 'yadayadayada CPR is very dangerous alright?'
Next, what IS suspicious is that after the setup discussion, is he literally has not scum hunted at all. His vote is on risk after a horrible reason (which is 'why haven't you voted risk yet?'), he sheeps after no mention of risk.nuke at all.
On May 18 2012 10:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Sorry for lateness. I was leaning risk but I wanted to make sure it was him and not marv. Since I'm vanilla and it seems like the possibility more and more as time goes on, risk it is. ##Vote: risk.nuke
He doesn't explain why he was leaning on risk as the 'scum'.
Also, he takes every chance to inflate his filter with useless post's such as this one.
On May 16 2012 10:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
[9, 1] here.
Well, this case is short but is's kinda a summary why I'm leaning on Sentinel, so I end this with a
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
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On May 19 2012 03:04 marvellosity wrote:Alright I've talked it over. I am mason and I chose the random townie option. This is not a breadcrumb but this was me taking a stab at what I believed zelblade had chosen given he said he was VT. If the thread thinks it is correct I will tell you who I got, for the mo I'm gonna exercise and have dinner.
Marv, to seal your credibility, would you claim your partner? imo, if you claim your partner, if one of you dies and flip's town (your partner)/ mason(you) that mean's we have a confirmed town.
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On May 19 2012 03:16 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2012 03:13 Bluelightz wrote:On May 19 2012 03:04 marvellosity wrote:Alright I've talked it over. I am mason and I chose the random townie option. On May 19 2012 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
you like to talk huh zel? This is not a breadcrumb but this was me taking a stab at what I believed zelblade had chosen given he said he was VT. If the thread thinks it is correct I will tell you who I got, for the mo I'm gonna exercise and have dinner. Marv, to seal your credibility, would you claim your partner? imo, if you claim your partner, if one of you dies and flip's town (your partner)/ mason(you) that mean's we have a confirmed town. Don't there is no point of that. Bluelightz that is wrong on several points.
Why is that wrong ;|? (Note: I do agree there is some faults but please explain them)
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Generally, I am leaning on marv's claim being true with Toad,Sandro being VT as they tried to take mason(which means that someone above picked mason so Toad and sandro got VT, in this scenario marv picked maosn.)
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On my stance on risk, If I never played with him I would go ahead and vote him but, even though all the scummy things he has done, I feel that he is town. Being very hostile seems townie to me, as scum would always take the chance and blend in.
(Note: risk was mostly useless (I think) in Purgatory Mafia, as well as claiming VT there, but here, as well as my previous reasons, I don't think mafia would be so bold as to claim town at that stage of this game, of course I could reconsider but if I don't see a case I don't see why I should hop on risk.)
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Yay for scum dying day 1!
Today, I present you the
Risk will kill Palmar tonight plan
Details:
-Palmar will die for reasons I will explain in my case which is further in the post.
-risk.nuke will NOT be roleblocked, and if he is that mean's Palmar is scum.
Why Palmar is scum?
Firstly, Palmar has the absolute minimal participation in the pregame discussion, he has not contributed anything of substance and is trolling.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 15 2012 05:33 Palmar wrote:
And what are you gonna do about it bitch? On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way. On May 15 2012 05:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way. you should just go fishing Announcement, I intend to win this draft thing and draft a day vigilante and shoot the first person I don't like. On May 15 2012 05:38 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 05:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On May 15 2012 05:36 Mattchew wrote:On May 15 2012 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Bitch is a compliment in my own twisted way. you should just go fishing And don't use electricity, it'll just feed your rage more. I prefer grenades. On May 15 2012 18:31 Palmar wrote:
how about we all pick vanilla town? On May 15 2012 20:12 Palmar wrote:
Hi guys :D
After not having read through the thread I don't agree with the plans proposed by Toad and Qatol so far. CPR is definitely a really powerful role and keeping it accountable should be a top pirority. Same goes for Janitor. Is there a reason why we arent carrying this out for roles such as roleblocker too? Unlike Toad I find it highly likely that a town RB will be of much use considering the probable high density of blues on the scum team, but a scum RB will be very useful despite no one being dumb enough to claim randomly.
I also dont really see how GF is as powerful as sandroba says that he wants the first person to take it. Theres only 1 alignment cop (parity cop) which makes the check immunity power rarely come into play anyway, and the vengeful part doesnt seem that powerful as its simply a 1 for 1 (always good for town) and it applies only on a lynch - considering the amount of KP roles its highly likely a decent portion of scum are going to die to something other than the lynch anyway.
Then, after that Palmar makes a totally uncalled for claim. One thing here, if Palmar's town, he usually shares his scum reads very quickly, but if he is scum, we usually make a mistake: Believing Palmar is town while he has not done anything worth of a town read (which is bad as this is mostly why I lost in Werewolves Invade TL 2). Now, I compare that with what he has done here: nothing, not helping, and overall just muddying the town discussion, and also is just throwing out random reasons on why he is town (which I don't think he is).
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2012 21:45 Palmar wrote:
I'm the pardoner. On May 17 2012 22:01 Palmar wrote:
also nice job mattchew. you're now confirmed town along with me and zephirdd. let's internet high five each other. On May 18 2012 07:29 Palmar wrote:
I'm thinking we should murder Qatol. Need to read a bit more before I make up my mind. I will post a few more things tomorrow.
Sandroba, how do you feel about that?
Now, after this Palmar make's a huge post containing 'okay me picking pardoner and claiming it totally make me confirmed town', here is my points about it.
On May 18 2012 19:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2012 03:46 sandroba wrote:
@Palmar What is your reasoning for picking pardoner at your position? I'm glad you asked! I am particularly proud of my pardoner draft idea, and even more glad that I got the role. You see, I figured I wouldn't get any particularly strong role with such a bad drafting position. Drafting something like a vigilante role, which is something I would like, was almost out of the question. So I decided to go with a role that confirms I'm town instead. Why does it confirm I'm town? Well let me explain. I drafted it and claimed it. The pardoner is a very hard role to use for both sides, very few people in this game possess the confidence and authority to successfully use this role as town, and as soon as mafia uses their claimed pardoner power, the pardoner gets lynched or shot the next night, because there is a valid case against the person being lynched, most likely. In fact, assuming I'm mafia it's strictly optimal play for me to just claim vanilla town. I can easily claim that I tried to draft day vigilante as I had already mentioned wanting that role, and I knew it had gone to someone above me in the draft. I had a perfect alibi, and it's dumb as shit to claim pardoner as mafia, because there is NOTHING stopping a scum Palmar from just acting like a vanilla townie throughout the game, quietly wasting town time by pardoning someone at some point through the game.Thus it's simply dumb to assume I'm scum at this point. I'm accountable for the pardon if and when it happens. Ideally I will not use the power at all in the game, but if I do I will announce it. Only reason I would be using it is if something on XLVIII scale of stupidity happens. Unless of course you think I'm pulling some kinda crazy gambit, which I admit would not be completely out of character for me, however Occam's razor says I'm town.
Firstly, the italicized statements are reasonless stuff.
Now, on to his points: Mafia, if not very bold, will not endanger their Pardoner so quickly by claiming, as well because here the Mafia can just PM for the person to be pardoned.
He mentioned wanting, but does he mention picking it?.
Lastly, the point that made me extremely suspicious of him was this:
On May 19 2012 08:39 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to send in a pardon for sentinel.
So either we lynch risk.nuke or we lynch no one.
On May 19 2012 10:45 Palmar wrote:
I don't believe you risk. I think vigilante is too generic a claim for you. I think that fell through and your buddy got it somewhere lower. I don't think you're bad enough at this game to assume that hiding your role was soooo important that you'd directly attack town by refusing to work together.
I want to kill you.
To clarify. I understand that pardoning sent basically means wasting an entire cycle for town only to have the same argument again, so I'm actually not doing it.
That doesn't change we should be killing risk, not sent, tonight.
Good night.
First quote: 'okay guys im saving my scum buddy out of spite k?' but then in the second quote, Palmar goes away saying 'okay, we should kill risk imo, he is lying, his claim is too generic, my scum buddy totally cannot die tonight alright?', this seems to me that here, Palmar is trying to avoid getting blamed, where eventually Sentinel will flip scum (if we didn't lynch him today) and that fingering Palmar as he pardoned him day 1 (which he didn't do since that post).
TL;DR don't rb risk and let him destroy Palmar
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One.Two.Three
Hey look at me!
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Alright, consider the Risk kills Palmar plan scrapped for now, if anyone has any thoughts about it that'd be great.
also,
Look.At.Me!
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