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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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Anacletus
United States733 Posts
On May 11 2012 09:16 BroodKingEXE wrote: @Anacletus, What have you been doing? Has the pressure vote brought any information? Scum hunting means analyzing responses to stuff like this, I'm willing to give you the benifit of the doubt if you provide useful information. I don't have any information. So no benefits and no doubts shall be given then I assume? | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On May 11 2012 08:04 Anacletus wrote: You give me way too much credit, Unforgiven_ve. I was only bandwagoning to see who wasn't voting and who was. My plan so far is more of a cluster-fuck spider-web of ideas written in a language that I don't know. ##Unvite ##Vote Unforgiven_ve I don't actually want to vote for you, I just don't want to leave my votes on someone with other votes so he can get swing voted. I had no intention of actually hanging someone today. You voted for unforgiven_ve but you said you don't want to vote on someone with other votes so he can get swing voted. unforgiven_ve already voted himself before you. You could have left the vote on FirmTofu since everyone has jumped on your wagon. Not wanting to hang anyone but placing on your vote on someone (FirmTofu)already with 2 votes on him. [quote]My logic wasn't to kill Tofu as I said, I was just trying to get a head count on who was voting and who wasn't. I seriously doubt anyone who was voting for him originally is mafia. So I was just keeping track for myself of various things. I also seriously doubt that I'll get hung day 1 which is why I'm not really making a big deal out of it. But on the off chance that I do get hung, you'll see that I'm town and you'll have to make some decisions on whether the mafia bandwagoned me, or if the mafia tried to look innocent by not voting.[quote] Headcounts can be done though reading and rereading of the thread. Why are you trying to set alignment for people who voted for FirmTofu? everyone is a scum until proven otherwise. Its the age old, I have no valuable information to share but I'll flip town when the time comes. Your argument all had been about, I will be town when i flip but i can not provide anything of note. BKE If you actually read my post. [quote] i actually had all the reasons to vote him. Firstly, i was against the vote on FirmTofu because suspicion over his 'imho' casual remark was pretty funny. To me, there was actually nothing suspicious over that post but it indeed generated some discussion. BKE was asking for convincing left and right. BioSC was sitting neutral the whole time. Dahdum was pretty aggressive from the get go. So while we waited for his response, i tried to generated some other chatter by pointing out lurkers/inactives who have not yet posted. The first response by austinmcc seemed not too shabby to me not because he agreed with my method, but he actually showed that he bothered to catch up with the thread and give his input. The second response was a direct vote without any reasoning. (its like my first post; ready to jump the gun) that was enough reason for me to vote and i believe people caught up with the train and are now starting to pressure Anacletus[quote] I was actually fishing for some response other that the train going on FirmTofu. When I ask you to post, you don't just vote without any form of reading. That will not help your case. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
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Anacletus
United States733 Posts
 Well, I'm just trying to poke and prod here and there to get an idea for myself about who is doing what. I don't really like the idea of letting others make decisions for me like deciding this player is neutral, or this other player is aggressive. You're right in that it probably was a bit silly and overzealous, but hopefully it's helped some, I'm formulating some hypothesis of my own. Remember the #1 rule: Vote for a bro? noooo  | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Mufaa
219 Posts
On May 11 2012 08:32 Anacletus wrote: [/b]You're required to vote - so I am putting my vote on someone who has no other votes - I'm just leaving it as a placeholder in case I forget later. How is that suspicious at all man....what the hell are you on about.... >_> Makes sense, but FYI you didn't actually vote for unforgiven. Instead of unvote you did unvite so I don't think your change will be counted. I figured after getting called out for editing you'd pay closer attention to your posts. For claiming to be pro-town these things(edit & failed voting) do nothing but benefit the mafia through ambiguity if you really are town. So why should we believe you're town if you can't take the extra 30 secs to proof your posts? Why shouldn't we assume the failed vote was you attempting to hide your focus on Tofu while ensuring that when you got called out you had a fallback ready by just saying oops? | ||
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Anacletus
United States733 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:16 Mufaa wrote: [/b]Makes sense, but FYI you didn't actually vote for unforgiven. Instead of unvote you did unvite so I don't think your change will be counted. I figured after getting called out for editing you'd pay closer attention to your posts. For claiming to be pro-town these things(edit & failed voting) do nothing but benefit the mafia through ambiguity if you really are town. So why should we believe you're town if you can't take the extra 30 secs to proof your posts? Why shouldn't we assume the failed vote was you attempting to hide your focus on Tofu while ensuring that when you got called out you had a fallback ready by just saying oops? I never said I was protown, I just said that I've played mafia before. ##Unvote My personal feelings as of right now is that BioSC is mafia. He's been super passive while we've been at each others throats and has been trying to redirect attention off of himself. ##Vote Anacletus Well, this could turn out interesting  On May 11 2012 08:08 BioSC wrote: Fair enough. I would probably be more suspicious of you if you weren't of me. I wanted to address this because I felt it trivial to discuss when there was more obvious things to consider and talk about. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:16 Mufaa wrote: [/b]Makes sense, but FYI you didn't actually vote for unforgiven. Instead of unvote you did unvite so I don't think your change will be counted. I figured after getting called out for editing you'd pay closer attention to your posts. For claiming to be pro-town these things(edit & failed voting) do nothing but benefit the mafia through ambiguity if you really are town. So why should we believe you're town if you can't take the extra 30 secs to proof your posts? Why shouldn't we assume the failed vote was you attempting to hide your focus on Tofu while ensuring that when you got called out you had a fallback ready by just saying oops? Actually I think it makes very poor sense and he is even more suspicious for it. He's essentially saying "I'd like to throw my vote away, I might not bother to vote again later so I definitely don't want it to matter". That's a scum move. | ||
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:21 Anacletus wrote: My personal feelings as of right now is that BioSC is mafia. He's been super passive while we've been at each others throats and has been trying to redirect attention off of himself. Well, this could turn out interesting So, let me get this straight. You believe I am mafia, because I've been passive? That simply isn't true. I questioned Tofu on his comment, and he responded. You, on the other hand, have been all over the place with your postings, and when people call you out on it, you give reasons like "If you all lynch me, I'll flip town" and "I don't want to have a lynch, so I'm passing my vote". I have been pro town since minute one. When people were confused or pressing me for information, I responded. I know my innocence, and have defended it. In response to you quoting one of my posts saying "interesting"... It's day 1. The only people that should be trusting of anyone else are people in the mafia. Hell, it's in the game description: "Uninformed majority vs. Informed minority" I don't trust anyone day 1, and neither should anyone else in town. We've been trying to find a good scum read for a day now, and as of now, YOU are the biggest read. This is the biggest reason why I'm having a hard time believing you are Town. + Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 09:22 Anacletus wrote: I don't have any information. So no benefits and no doubts shall be given then I assume? If you are town, and have no information, why the hell would you post? Browsing through your filters, you've done nothing to help Town find a scum. Your vote on Tofu early had no reasoning behind it, and ever since you've been called out on it, you have turtled and provided no reason for me to believe you are helping town. Until you can show that you are helping town by finding scum, my vote is for you. ##Vote Anacletus | ||
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
On May 11 2012 10:58 Darkfirex5 wrote: Well though i still think Anecletus seems the scummiest, but he does make a... point i guess about BioSC id need more proof though than to change my vote to him, ill keep it in mind when reading his posts. I still find this a weak bandwagon forming as i stated before, does anyone want to respond to my post before? (feeling ignored D: ) Which post was this? The one about me possibly being scum (I'll answer these all day) or the one about Unforgiven? | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
--Scummy List - -- Most To Least Analectus - No point summarizing so far, chief suspect. Actually votes for himself after attempting to throw his vote away without reason, and says "I never said I was protown". Not acting like town. Hyaach - Bandwagons, no pressure at all. Urges caution. Scummy. BioSC - Highly defensive, focuses on Analectus. Darkfirex5 - Keeps cautioning against bandwagons and voting too early, sounds like scum trying to defend Analectus. Last post says he's voting against Unforgiven but then botches the vote for Analectus? Crossfire99 - Obsessed with Analectus, doesn't discuss anyone else. BKE - Not providing reads, only a semi-baseless vote which helped get the game going. Talks about scum will do and urges caution. Scummy. Jailbreaker - Worried about people pressuring too much, defensive, not contributing reads, promises something soon. Mufaa - Very few posts but cites RL reason and reiterates basic strategy. Jumps on Analectus for technicality, contributes no reads on anyone else. Austinmcc - Rightly pressures Analectus for his "i don't have much to add" vote, continues to lay one the pressure but never calls him out as scum or gives any real reads/analysis. FirmTofu - Defends the bandwagon well, placing reasonable pressure on Analectus. Compared to last game he seems more thoughtful however, so I'm suspicious of that. ShiaoPi - Jumps on Hyaach, lots of analysis. The huge post is somewhat indicative of a scum play, but I concur with his picks (Analectus/Hyaach) so far. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
Unforgiven_ve - He's not in the filter list yet. He votes for himself even though he has a top list already and some reads. Scummy, but maybe just catching up. I'd put him somewhere in the middle. | ||
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Anacletus
United States733 Posts
On May 11 2012 11:45 dahdum wrote: Here are my reads and yes I know this is partially a rehash of events. --Scummy List - -- Most To Least Analectus - No point summarizing so far, chief suspect. Actually votes for himself after attempting to throw his vote away without reason, and says "I never said I was protown". Not acting like town. Hyaach - Bandwagons, no pressure at all. Urges caution. Scummy. BioSC - Highly defensive, focuses on Analectus. Darkfirex5 - Keeps cautioning against bandwagons and voting too early, sounds like scum trying to defend Analectus. Last post says he's voting against Unforgiven but then botches the vote for Analectus? Crossfire99 - Obsessed with Analectus, doesn't discuss anyone else. BKE - Not providing reads, only a semi-baseless vote which helped get the game going. Talks about scum will do and urges caution. Scummy. Jailbreaker - Worried about people pressuring too much, defensive, not contributing reads, promises something soon. Mufaa - Very few posts but cites RL reason and reiterates basic strategy. Jumps on Analectus for technicality, contributes no reads on anyone else. Austinmcc - Rightly pressures Analectus for his "i don't have much to add" vote, continues to lay one the pressure but never calls him out as scum or gives any real reads/analysis. FirmTofu - Defends the bandwagon well, placing reasonable pressure on Analectus. Compared to last game he seems more thoughtful however, so I'm suspicious of that. ShiaoPi - Jumps on Hyaach, lots of analysis. The huge post is somewhat indicative of a scum play, but I concur with his picks (Analectus/Hyaach) so far. Entirely subjective and of course you'd rush to create it so you could not be counted in it. Personally, I think that this is a bit suspicious. I'd just like for everyone to take a quick gander at his reasoning behind low suspicions of "agrees with me on lynches" and just how odd that is. When we start weening down the list - assuming the cop searches and finds me innocent - keep that in mind as you check everyone bandwagoning me. | ||
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
This list is also just fluff, great you show us your views on who you think it is scummy, but after reading it, no further attention goes towards it. --> probably the most questionable thing is that you put Hyaach right under Analectus. Hyaach started the bandwagon on Analectus, so now your saying if you think that the most likely mafia player Anacletus, and the person who goes after him first is Hyaach. Additionally now you seem to have summarized basically what is happening in this game, maybe some analysis would be more helpful. Additionally quoting, how you are coming to these fluff conclusions of people would be great, so then we could relate to these points that you are making. In the end i just reread what has been happening and your thoughts on this thread FOS: dahdum | ||
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 11 2012 12:02 Anacletus wrote: Entirely subjective and of course you'd rush to create it so you could not be counted in it. Personally, I think that this is a bit suspicious. I'd just like for everyone to take a quick gander at his reasoning behind low suspicions of "agrees with me on lynches" and just how odd that is. When we start weening down the list - assuming the cop searches and finds me innocent - keep that in mind as you check everyone bandwagoning me. That would be "lowest" suspicion, and of course I did not include myself in my own scummy list. Here you go though: Dahdum - Promiscuously voting and joining wagons, hasn't started his own yet. No one has really pressured him, posted first. Accuses many. Here's my rebuttal to that totally subjective read: It's Day 1, we need debate, opinions, and voting on the record. I'm waiting for BioSC to post one more scummy thing before I'm campaigning for him, as of now I'm happy with any of the top 3 in my list. | ||
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dahdum
United States46 Posts
On May 11 2012 12:05 Darkfirex5 wrote: at dahdum, i never said i was voting against Unforgiven, where did you see that? A quote pls, cause i dont see a post from me attacking unforgiven... dont want to say your lying but, where is your misinterpretation? This list is also just fluff, great you show us your views on who you think it is scummy, but after reading it, no further attention goes towards it. --> probably the most questionable thing is that you put Hyaach right under Analectus. Hyaach started the bandwagon on Analectus, so now your saying if you think that the most likely mafia player Anacletus, and the person who goes after him first is Hyaach. Additionally now you seem to have summarized basically what is happening in this game, maybe some analysis would be more helpful. Additionally quoting, how you are coming to these fluff conclusions of people would be great, so then we could relate to these points that you are making. In the end i just reread what has been happening and your thoughts on this thread FOS: dahdum Yes, I'm trying to show my thoughts and spark further discussion. Not claiming Hyaach/Analectus are both mafia, I agree it seems unlikely, but I'm fine with either getting lynched. Day 2 will obviously change things. Why don't you tell us what your list looks like and why Darkfire, or would you prefer to keep all your reads to yourself? | ||
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 11 2012 05:03 Crossfire99 wrote: Anacletus, don't think that defending yourself is scummy; it is just good play and everyone should do it. If you know you are town, then defend yourself and prove it. If you are actually town, and go down without a fight, then you have done nothing for us except die. I would rather defend myself than let people try to read scumminess (is that a word?) that isn't there. You also call me out on being tunneled on Anacletus. Perhaps I am, but as I said, his play is reading as the scummiest so far, which we both agree on. | ||
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