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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
May 13 2012 17:38 GMT
#325
Hello people. Are we all dead yet? What are everyone's thoughts from last night?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
May 15 2012 01:38 GMT
#412
That one full day of inactivity caused me to misjudge day left. I thought there was 24 hour left still.

And activity only picked up in the last 12 hours. GMT+8 sleep time.

My bad
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
May 16 2012 10:55 GMT
#430
Well i guess the night wasn't for naught. Going to look through mufaa's filter.

In case anyone was wondering, I was suspicious of dahdum before this. Obviously I was wrong i guess.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
May 17 2012 11:39 GMT
#462
##vote Austinmcc

On May 15 2012 03:00 Mufaa wrote:
EBWOP: Meant to preview notpost,please disregard the darkfire portion above and use this one.

Darkfirex5
My suspicions of him aren't as strong, but I still have a few things I'm curious about.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote:
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On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote:
If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways.



Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia.


He's suspicious of BioSC, who says town/they instead of us/we. While this is something of note while building a case it isn't enough to build a case on its own. + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2012 06:43 Darkfirex5 wrote:
sorry im a student so i have school, currently i think this is a weak bandwagon forming on Anacletus. While his defense is weak:
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On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote:
I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no?

But if he's town, shit.


Yet the first person to begin the voting on Anacletus was Hyaach, his reasoning seemed just as weak:
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On May 10 2012 23:33 Hyaach wrote:
No edits are allowed.

IMO, i did whatever firmtofu wrote was just a innocent day 1 remark. There is nothing more suspicious about his post than yours actually.

And say "if" he was mafia, what if the mafia decided to throw him under the bus? Not a good way to rule out anything.


I'm also just voting you because there's nothing to discuss here /sarcasm


The start of this "bandwagon" is begining to form off of this, though Anacletus did have a poor response which made him more suspicious the voting on him lacks solid reasoning.

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On May 11 2012 03:56 FirmTofu wrote:
What... I said that purely in jest, teasing him about the newbie game that just completed. I didn't think you guys would go batshit insane over it.
On May 11 2012 00:23 Crossfire99 wrote:
He posted less than an hour into the day and he makes a reference to a previous game. I don't know what happened in the previous game, but it seems like dahdum was mafia and Firmtofu wasn't and that the town lost (I infer this from his little >< face). It seems like he is complimenting dahdum's play and hopes they are on the same side. What's bad about that?

As for his lynching lurkers stance, he was like one of the first posts, so no one really posted and it seems he was stating that we should wait to judge people until they posted. If people still lurked after a while then he seems to support lynching the lurkers. This isn't a terrible stance if I am interpreting him correctly, so I want clarification from him on this, though.

Crossfire put it best. dahdum was in a game before this and I just commented on how I hope he isn't scum again because he played well last game. I didn't think I was acting suspicious at all, but apparently it was? Regardless, we should switch up our votes onto some more scummy targets.

There are certain people that are playing very pro-town right now, but may be doing so just to gain the town's trust. It's extremely hard to tell from just Day 1 behavior, so I think our best for a lynch would be to hunt those people who are genuinely acting scummy or playing poorly.

Anacletus seems like the perfect target to start.

On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote:
I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no?

But if he's town, shit.


This quote is suspicious, for reasons mentioned previously my numerous people. However, there is an interesting phrasing of words I find rather intriguing.

See bold. What motive would anyone have to say that sentence. Is it not already a statement of fact? Why did he feel the need to reiterate something that is quite obvious to everyone that is playing: If we lynch Tofu and he's town, then we are in trouble.

Well, no shit Sherlock. Generally when town people die, the mafia gets farther ahead.

Here's my theory. Anacletus knows I am town, because I'm not on his mafia team. Therefore, he knows if and when I get lynched, I will flip town. That statement is guilt insurance and a scum tell because of it. He is trying to insure himself now so that later, he can say "Aw crap, well I was wrong, but look at my previous post where I admitted I might be wrong!"

When town members vote people, they don't know whether they are right or wrong. When mafia vote people they know the exact alignment of the person they are voting. I believe this knowledge just leaked from Anacletus the mafia.

##vote:Anacletus



I bolded the part im talking about (didnt cut out any as to take something out of context^). Another thing now is that Tofu anounces the role of being a townie, and the reason (supposidly) why Anacletus targeted him was because he knew he was town (because he was mafia)? Now im questioning then why did he target you (tofu) only because you were town. Why initiate like that on a post that seemed insignifigant. I'm building suspicion on the reasoning for starting this bandwagon on Anacletus. Im still not placing a vote down yet but the starting reasonings for the votes lacks evidence and the follow up points (to me dont seem solid).
Lastly:
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On May 11 2012 04:52 BioSC wrote:
Good morning. Lets get to business. Somehow I managed to miss this post back on page 5.

On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote:
On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote:
If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways.



Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia.


If you are going to put pressure on me, at least make it substantial/useful. If you are going to quote me, quote the whole post, not half of it and take it out of context. "They" is referring to lurking players, which I am not, thus I didn't use "we". This suspicion about "misused" pronouns is silly, and only drives me to wonder about you. You have only made one post so far, and wasn't very helpful. So far, the only lurkers here are you and Mufaa, whom has yet to post ANYTHING.

Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts.


I was refering to why you said town gets a nice snipe instead of we are geting a nice snipe, i was only adding on some slight pressure on the begining, which was similar to other posts. The way you get very defensive and attack my one post only asking about your reference to town/mafia. FOS: BioSc From your posts folowing, i think less of you as being mafia, and more so townie, that doesnt mean i wont continue keeping an eye on you too.


Now take this massive post Darkfire "contributed." The first 3/4 of it are on how this is a weak bandwagon case on Anac, with the last 1/4 on a wording dispute. This would be ok with me, except that he voted for Anac and never switched off of him. From there he posts mostly fluff until this gem.

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On May 13 2012 12:30 Darkfirex5 wrote:
well now we have a lot to work with at least, i guess ShiaoPi was onto something, time to avenge him :D


How do you know ShiaoPi was on to something? Austin and Anac both offered easy suggestions to why the mafia voted the way they did other than that they wanted to silence the person was closest to discovering them (Silencing vocal townies to stiffle discussion,attempting to frame the people on his list, etc...). Why should we believe this was just a careless post and not a slip?

The others I'm less suspicious of but I do have some questions for them I want to ask:

BioSC- All game you've been defending yourself from reads people put on you, but your defense is always "I'm not doing mafia things, your read is invalid" or something along those lines. I'd be a lot more likely to believe you if you had contributed to finding scum at all instead of just defending yourself. Who do you think is most likely to be scum and what do you have to back it up?

Hyaach- I've noticed you voted for Anac without much of an explination and you tunneled him through day1. Since then you've said you're suspicious of people but instead of providing cases, you never follow up or ask other people for their opinions on the matter. Somewhat suspicious to me and I'll be watching this.

Crossfire- I'm not sure what I think of him yet. His reason for not switching to BKE was pretty solid but since then his only case has been on me for not leading a lynch on a townie when there were 2hrs left in d1. Would like to see some more content.

FirmTofu- You jumped on the BKE lynch after austinmcc's post where he says "I think Broodking's responses to the pressure are much more telling than the actual initial pressure itself. austinmcc is completely right that Broodking is the scummiest person alive now."

Now his most recent post d2 is questioning austinmcc for the mislynch and implying Anac and austinmcc are buddying without any real proof. I don't believe this, but it makes me wonder if you're mafia and supported the BKE lynch because you knew he was town and saw an easy d2 lynch in austin/Anac because you knew that bringing up austin's case would put pressure on austin for the mislynch.

Like I said, I have nothing concrete to back that up, but it does make me suspicious of you.

austinmcc- Even though he led the mislynch on BKE, his reasonings were sound and his posts have all been solid so far. I'll be watching but you seem town to me.



On May 15 2012 00:39 Mufaa wrote:
@ Austin:I called him out on the safer comment too.He ignored me also.Still waiting for a response to that.

going through the thread and filters now. I'll get a post up soon.


i read through mufaa's filter. he was already listing Austinmcc as the least scummy people in his list from day one.
With every other post to either push vote on people or directe FoS onto someone whose not Austinmcc/Unforgiven_
Hell, he even forgot him in his list.
Has quite a few post that go along with austinmcc's flow of questioning



Austinmcc has led two wrong mislynch. yes this may not be a good reason but its two townies dead. Says he has a town read on FirmTofu. I cant figure this part out. It maybe a trap eitherway. Mufaa was placing FirmTofu as the second least suspicious.
Both him and Mufaa has stated times and again that Anac is a bad townie. But I can't seem to link them three together.
And i'm actually inclined to believe now that Anac is really a bad townie.


My mafia team right now is Mufaa Austinmcc and Unforgiven_

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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
May 18 2012 01:44 GMT
#541
The time difference screw me up or i would have come to my own defense.
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