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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 13 2012 06:25 GMT
#1452
EBWOP:

Oh yeah, if someone can post the actual image then it would be great.

I dunno why but when I post it it cuts off the edges >_>
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 13 2012 06:40 GMT
#1453
Meh, actually let me put ALL the conclusions:

Conclusions:

  1. If 2 scum decide to out themselves:
    They can get me and/or ET killed. But then all 4 remaining scum will be outed basically, meaning town just has to lynch them to win
  2. If only 1 scum decides to out himself:
    • That scum is one of Katina/MZ/ET/me:
      Then he can get either me or ET killed (but not both). However, in this case he will out himself, and if he hadn't done that it would have been harder to find him in the future
    • That scum is one of Palmar/sloOsh/Wiggles/prplhz:
      Then he can only kill one of sloOsh/Wiggles/prplhz. It won't be a huge loss and he will be outed for town to kill later.

  3. If no other scum decides to out himself:
    One or both of Cephiro and sandroba will be guaranteed to be lynched
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 13 2012 06:50 GMT
#1454
EBWOP:

Oh yeah, in the "If 2 scum decide to out themselves" they can only kill me/ET if one of those scum was Katina/me/ET/MZ.

If both scum were Palmar/Wiggles/sloosh/prphlz then me and ET would still survive.


(yeah I think that's the last correction I'll make >_> )
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 13 2012 07:57 GMT
#1458
On May 13 2012 16:26 prplhz wrote:
Well then seriously question my alignment.

I wont be around until tonight though.


Why won't you follow it? What alternative do you propose?

On May 13 2012 16:37 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2012 16:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Obviously everyone should be able to see why we're following this plan today. Honestly if I see any opposition to this plan it'll make me seriously question your alignment.


Yeah, obviously we should follow a plan where everything is based on the assumption that I am scum. Now when I'm not, you're screwed (unless you're scum.)

I would not be surprised to the slightest to see you flip red.

Anyone that doesn't understand why sandroba should be kept alive regardless of being the last remaining yokoya scum is either scum for trying to kill him, or then a really stupid townie that is being deceived.


From your own POV you should have 0% problems with my plan and would actually want to follow it.

If you want to keep sandroba alive as you claim, then there is absolutely no problem with my plan:
You give sandroba votes and you will die instead, just like you wanted earlier.

There is absolutely no contradiction with my plan and the plan you mentioned earlier (getting you to die alone).
Of course, you are scum so you need to invent some excuses and create strawmen to oppose anything that's productive for town right?



And no, I'm not a "scum for trying to kill him" nor a "really stupid townie that's being deceived", because I want both you and sandroba dead, not just him.
sandroba will flip Yokoya and you will flip the other scum mafia. We will be at 6-2-0 at night and be in a strong position tomorrow.

Why am I sure both of you will die? Because I know you won't give sandro any votes.
I mean, why would you want to keep another scum from a different faction alive but you die instead? You know it's probable he will shoot into your team these next nights, so why would you keep him alive if you have the chance to kill him no matter the outcomes? Answer: you wouldn't.

Nope, you won't give him votes, and nobody will (remember his buddies are dead). Your buddies won't give you votes so they don't out themselves, and both of you will die.
Also by following my plan your buddies can't save both of you and get another townie lynched or something
That's the plan and I'm sure it will work, so I'd think twice before calling me "really stupid townie that's being deceived" again if I were you.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 13 2012 23:01 GMT
#1471
Great

Wiggles, Palmar, ET, you are the only guys that are left to confirm the votes.


Palmar, if you don't vote according to plan, then Wiggles alone might die. I don't remember you calling him scum, so you wouldn't want that would you?
Wiggles, if you don't vote according to plan, then sloosh alone might die. I don't remember you calling him scum, so you wouldn't want that would you?

I guess ET will come back soon.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 13 2012 23:01 GMT
#1472
EBWOP:

Ninja'd
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 14 2012 03:18 GMT
#1477
...

I can't believe this

...

And he actually gave his votes to sandroba....



...
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 15 2012 01:22 GMT
#1494
sloosh, who do you think is scum after these past events? Why keep asking Palmar questions, when you were convinced he was scum before?

Also, do you still think prplhz is "confirmed town"? Again, review that after these past events. If you still think prplhz is town then expand on it.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 15 2012 03:01 GMT
#1495
Here's a chart with all votes and answers from earlier days that I've been using to keep track of things:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlDOJgSVEnnPdGlhekd5dU9rVkdJZDlzWnFybmFSV2c#gid=0

I gave it only to ET and MZ because it could be edited, and didn't want some anonymous scum to just delete all of it or something. I made it editable so it could still be updated after I died.


Well, I forgot people can just copy-paste it again if I die and update it themselves, so if I die do that (it's not editable anymore).

ET and MZ have my reads if I die, ask them for it if I do.


I wonder what the fuck will happen tonight though, maybe there are 2 more kills or something
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 15 2012 03:14 GMT
#1497
Something weird is going on, ET you may be right about that scum KP theory of yours
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 15 2012 03:30 GMT
#1498
When I saw the red font there I was very excited and thought Yokoya actually killed another scum


People, please answer this question:

Would you be willing to let me/ET/MZ control your answer for today? As in, we will you let us tell you what to vote?

This isn't just directed to Katina/ET/MZ/sloosh/etc, but to Wiggles/prplhz/Palmar as well.


I know scum will oppose it, but maybe some stubborn townie will as well (or maybe some townie with some legitimate concern).
So if you oppose it or not please explain why so we can tell the difference. If not, then PM us and we'll discuss how to get scum into the majority.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 15 2012 15:00 GMT
#1502
On May 15 2012 22:04 Palmar wrote:
@Meapak: you've basically been going after sandroba/prplhz throughout the game. Do you think syllo and I were wrong when we decided that it seemed very towny of prplhz to not understand the voting thing and allow syllo to basically control his actions on day 1? You actually wrote an analysis on prplhz at one point. Do you still think he's scum?


On May 15 2012 22:08 Palmar wrote:
It seems very unlikely sloosh is scum based on the fact that radfield very vocally supported me and syllogism early in the game. in addition, he also voiced support for foolishness's early case against chaoser which turns out was correct. he was basically backing townies and taking a stance against mafia.

He roleclaimed to me on day 1, quite early.

I don't think he's scum.


Do you have more reasoning for thinking they are town other than "they sheeped me/syllo"?

Also I don't get what Radfield's "support" of the case against chaoser has much to do with anything since we are searching for the other scum team at the moment.

But well, okay, you can PM with MZ and discuss how to answer today.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 16 2012 01:35 GMT
#1518
Okay, back from uni


Gonna check PMs and shit, then PM people who haven't voted yet what to do
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 16 2012 04:35 GMT
#1520
Interesting, that went even better than I thought.

Okay, gonna discuss some things with MZ/ET and try to come up with some plan for today's voting, and shed some light into some of our reads or people we want to lynch.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 16 2012 18:03 GMT
#1525
Voting System for Day 6



Image

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj144/gonzaw1/Dibujo-38.jpg

Why this system?

Okay, I don't want to repeat everything I've said the last day so I'll just link it here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034&currentpage=73#1451


Okay, basically sandroba will get 0 votes, and everybody else will get at least 8 votes.
If anybody gives sandroba any votes, they should be considered confirmed scum by now (although I don't know why anyone would want to give sandro votes).

sandro has to put his votes somewhere, so we might as well tell him where. We put sandro's votes with 1 on Katina, and 2 on Palmar/prplhz. That way, if sandro decides to do something funny, he won't be able to choose how many relative votes Palmar and prplhz have (as in, if prplhz would have 1 more vote than Palmar or 2). That way he can't really choose who to kill of them (if something REALLY weird happened, like 2 other scum outing themselves or something).

sandro is guaranteed to be lynched, even if 1 other person outs himself as scum. Why? Because if someone outs himself as scum to give sandro 5 votes, then sandro at worst can take out his 2 votes from Palmar and prplhz, putting them at Palmar-6 and prplhz-7. Since sandro would have 5 votes sandro would still get lynched.
So even if some scum decided to give sandro 5 votes to lynch someone else, sandro would be the only lynch today.

sandro, I'd advise you to just follow our plan and vote like that. There is nothing else you can do to survive today, so your votes are a total waste, so you might as well vote like we told you to.


We argued and decided to only kill sandro today, just so we can get an almost guaranteed scum lynch. We can worry about Palmar later. That's why I wouldn't want anything funny happening with Palmar so the only people voting for him are Meapak and prplhz (other than sandro of course).
Since prplhz might be a little bit suspicious, again I'm the one giving him 3 votes so someone else doesn't try something funny as well.

For instance, if Player X claims to give Palmar or prplhz 3 votes, then he can lie and give his 5 votes to sandroba. In that case, if sandro puts his votes elsewhere the lynch would be Palmar/prplhz alone and not sandro like we wanted.
Although that wouldn't suck since Palmar/prplhz dying isn't a bad thing, our objective today is killing sandro alone, so we just planned to make that thing happen and forget about the rest.
That's why only me/MZ are the other ones giving them votes.


With this voting system we tried to give myself 10 votes first, so no matter what I'm safe from the lynch (even if scum out themselves and shit). Then we tried to give everybody except sandro 8 votes, and then we tried to account for those weird scenarios I described above and accommodated the remaining votes to reflect that.

So, everybody okay with this plan? If so, you can start following it and vote

I don't see a reason why you wouldn't, so if you don't want to follow it state specific reasons not to, and if they are not satisfactory you'll be put under heavy scrutiny or even be considered scum.
Of course, if you say you'll follow the plan and vote otherwise later, we'll take it as a scum claim.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 16 2012 20:21 GMT
#1528
Yeah, I'm going to uni in a few minutes, and I'll be back 1-2 hours before the deadline (like usual)

If you have any questions ask Meapak or ET about them (again, like usual).

See ya
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 02:03 GMT
#1531
On May 17 2012 09:24 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 07:07 Katina wrote:
Have to leave early today so sent in my votes as planned

^

There shouldn't be anyone to randomly save Sandro this time... hoping we strike true.



Well, not only there shouldn't, but there can't be anyone to randomly save sandro this time. The numbers don't allow it


Anyways, just voted and hope you guys already did, gonna do some shit and be back in the deadline.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 03:02 GMT
#1532
Okay, we have an announcement to make, but we'll wait until after the Night Post is made, just in case someone decides to last-minute screw the voting right now (and maybe they are allowed or something, like Radfield's last minute votes on prplhz the other day)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 04:37 GMT
#1534
Fuck yeah I knew we would get at least one scum!

Fucking sandroba fucking up our plan, had he just voted 2 on Palmar and 2 on prplhz he would have died.

Too bad about prplhz, with Palmar being scum it seemed pretty logical they were trying to protect each other


You see, my and MZ's votes are off, that's the "announcement" from before, I'll explain it in detail in a few moments
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
May 17 2012 04:47 GMT
#1536
Okay people, this is what we tried to do yesterday:

We weren't planning on killing sandroba alone at all, we were planning on killing all 3 of sandroba/Palmar/prplhz
After Cephiro's death, we quickly figured out Palmar was scum, and by that and considering prplhz's behaviour, we (or at least I) got very suspicious of him.

So on Round A we tried to organize the votes to get all 3 into the majority, or at least 2 of them. That's why me, Katina and sloosh would vote NO, while ET; MZ and Wiggles would vote YES. That meant that at least 2 of sandroba/Palmar/prplhz would get into the majority, and we would kill those who got there.

Once Palmar said he voted NO, I tried to get prplhz to vote NO as well (and PMed him that we would try to kill Wiggles and Palmar or some shit).
We were very surprised when all 3 were in the majority, and that's when MZ came up with a plan to kill all 3 of them.

The plan was to tell everybody to vote in a certain way that would get sandroba killed alone, while in fact we (me and MZ) would secretly vote differently to kill all 3 of them.

You may recognize this spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlDOJgSVEnnPdDZEWUlEU2w3YnpTU3Jid1ZfRVRiWGc#gid=0

It has the same votes I mentioned in the plan. Also notice the "Phony" in the title. That wasn't the real one at all, this one was:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlDOJgSVEnnPdDd4OU10S3JTc1EwZFAtQUtZSlJENXc#gid=0


The only votes that change are mine, and MZ's. However, the lynch would go from sandro alone to sandro+Palmar+prplhz.

sandro would get lynched only if he complied with us and gave Palmar/prplhz 2 votes. If we tried to make it like he already lost and his votes were a waste, then maybe he'd just give up and put them there as well.
We did know that maybe sandro would vote otherwise, which is why we made him put 2 votes on Palmar/prplhz, so if he didn't follow our plan, at least Palmar and prplhz would die.


Well, I was getting pretty excited because I wanted all 3 to die and expected them to die, but well, we finally got a Harimoto so we have plenty of info to use from now on.
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